VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[SharkVampire]

It's kinda funny to read comments of the people who shame Ian for being womanizer despite that he has girlfriend, and at the same time many of them go for every skirt in this game lol. I know, he may seem cruel sometime, but personally, I would feel guilty to betray him, cuz the way he act toward Edwin proves that he is a true friend. He even remind me one person from IRL, those kind of people can be mean to others, but they very caring towards they friends. I just know it, if you have problem and you will need to resolve it ASAP, you can call Ian in the middle of the night, tell him about it and he will come to help you out at the same hour. I don't how about you guys, but I think there is not much people like him in this world, and such friendship should be cherished. Still, as I said earlier in previous comments, I don't think he lose much if we go for Mina, it's totally not a bro move, yes. But you have to respect the person you date. Nevertheless, I didn't told Mina about his cheating attempts and didn't tried to act sneaky, thus giving her the opportunity to decide for herself. As for other things, I was planning to support Ian as much as I can.

Also, I wanted to ask about this conversation between Ian mother and Edwin. She certainly don't know about Ian working in the club, and taking this into account, she hopes he gets a better job if he go in the college. But as we know, the club pays well to its employees, so as I think, Ian wouldn't need money in the future if he continue to work there. Basically it's just moral choice to get Ian out of the club and convince him to become decent person with honest work. I'm got it right?

I noticed some people was wondering about games similar to this one and I think the closest one would be Wicked Rouge. It's brothel simulator game, which uses honey select models and RPGM engine with many custom changes (not rpgm games, you usually see here). The models of this game almost same quality, very beautiful, story also very mature and characters are interesting. May GIL3D and TD1900 forgive me for advertising this game, but since it's also from my top list games, I thought it would be fair, if people know about Fiddles (the dev of this game) and his game.

 

[TD1900]

So I played the game(not till the latest ver) and I have some questions.
Is this game heavily focused on being the bad guy?
or being good is rewarding enough?
I mean I don't mind being an asshole and getting all the scenes but I also like to be a good guy if it's rewarding enough.
So far I really like hana and mina( wouldn't mind even cucking lan for her lmao although I wonder if I can call it that since he doesn't seem to care for her a lot)
BTW the game really great the story is really intriguing well written, the renders and animation are well-done props to the dev keep up the good work.

There will be scenes that depend on you having behaved conscientiously. For example, turning down Kathleen's gift in the most recent update will carry its own reward in a future one. Naturally, being a jerk will have more immediate payoffs, but not being an asshole will play into things the further into the game we go. It's important to us (especially GIL, who emphasized this to me while working on the aforementioned Kat scene) that the good side of things are also fairly represented. This will usually be dependent on key choices you make FYI, not toughness.

soooo
how the hell get i rid of that killian freak?
this guy is a pain....
pissing him of with given choices seems not work

Sorry, he's like that one friend you can't exactly shake for whatever reason. For narrative purposes, the game presupposes at least an annoyed tolerance for him. Basically, you're stuck with him until a critical point in the story.

I noticed some people was wondering about games similar to this one and I think the closest one would be Wicked Rouge. It's brothel simulator game, which uses honey select models and RPGM engine with many custom changes (not rpgm games, you usually see here). The models of this game almost same quality, very beautiful, story also very mature and characters are interesting. May GIL3D and TD1900 forgive me for advertising this game, but since it's also from my top list games, I thought it would be fair, if people know about Fiddles (the dev of this game) and his game.

No forgiveness needed even if you recommended something awful, but especially for something as good Wicked Rouge. That's personally my favorite game on this site right now. If you like brothel management games, especially ones that give the girls a personality and goes beyond just having them be stat sticks that you constantly trade up, I would definitely recommend it myself.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

..... that he is a true friend.

(all about the game-world)
a friend who on purpose drags you into this fucked up club
yeah with friends like this you dont need enemies..
(and he lied to Felicia about the Exhibition Game Nature)

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

Admittedly, I'm skeptical that I'm Veronica's type. But abrasive personality?
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We can score points with Veronica for telling Kathleen to knock off the objectification crap and get on with it. What's not to love?

I still like her, and in an alternate playthrough, I'd still stubbornly try to actively romance her, but the first several encounters the mc has with Veronica, she regards him with anything from apathy to not so thinly veiled annoyance/irritation. I referred to her as abrasive given how she interacts with the mc just after meeting him, not to mention she's literally the ONLY female we meet initially that the mc isn't able to charm or get on her good side. She really makes you work for it, which is why when the topic of her past relationship history came up, (specifically her choice in lovers) I figured it was going to be an uphill battle wearing her down to at least be friendly terms with her. Ironically enough, when I took Mina with me to visit her at her gym, it was comical how night and day she was with her after meeting her for the first time, compared to the mc.

 

[SharkVampire]

(all about the game-world)
a friend who on purpose drags you into this fucked up club
yeah with friends like this you dont need enemies..
(and he lied to Felicia about the Exhibition Game Nature)

Well, it's depends on players perspective fucked up it or not. Even in the beginning you could decline the offer, but then there would be no game. To be honest I'm not quite understand why people hate so much this club activity's, there is tons of games where you only viewing boring everyday life of some teenagers and building harems from you family members. In my point of view people here take this to much close to the heart, when I thinking about porn games as genre, I always imagining possibility's of depravity in every way, otherwise it would be just another love novel from which I'm already sick of. About Felicia, I don't remember exactly where that was mentioned, but I'm sure person as her, more than okay with exhibition nature and club itself. I'm sure there can be some hidden goal behind her wish to become member of the club, maybe she wants to destroy it from the inside, or she have tooth on club owners and she need to collect valuable evidence against them, just guessing. But fact is - she enjoys sex and everything related to it, quite nympho that gal.

 

[ename144]

I still like her, and in an alternate playthrough, I'd still stubbornly try to actively romance her, but the first several encounters the mc has with Veronica, she regards him with anything from apathy to not so thinly veiled annoyance/irritation. I referred to her as abrasive given how she interacts with the mc just after meeting him, not to mention she's literally the ONLY female we meet initially that the mc isn't able to charm or get on her good side. She really makes you work for it, which is why when the topic of her past relationship history came up, (specifically her choice in lovers) I figured it was going to be an uphill battle wearing her down to at least be friendly terms with her. Ironically enough, when I took Mina with me to visit her at her gym, it was comical how night and day she was with her after meeting her for the first time, compared to the mc.

Given the circumstances, I thought Veronica's initial attitude was fairly neutral. She's courteous enough when they first meet unless the MC antagonizes her. She's a little snippy at their next meeting in the dressing room, but even there she's calm as long as the MC stays polite and professional. If the MC makes her laugh after Veronica forfeits round 2 she's even verging on friendly. Once we get to Week 1, she's more or less fine with the MC (again, as long as he isn't literally pissing her off).

She certainly throws barbs his way, but most of them seem fairly benign; "errand boy," for example, strikes me as her letting off some steam. It's fair to say Veronica is the least friendly of the Carnations, but I think that's because Felicia is a professional trophy wife, and Rosalind is pulling out all the stops to win. Veronica seems intent on winning the contest within the contest itself rather than by working the judges - as befits and Olympic track and field star. So is this a case of Veronica being prickly, or everyone else being obsequious? I'm inclined towards the latter.

To me, it's not Veronica's personality that causes friction, at least not directly. Veronica's personality is actually pretty easy going, with a mix of jocularity and droll bluntness. It just that she doesn't disguise her contempt for the contest; depending on how aligned with the contest he is, the MC will get tarred with that same brush to a greater or lesser extent. Hana starts out similarly unconvinced by the MC, but she was only peripherally involved in his job (whereas Veronica was told to strip for the MC right out of the gate).

Obviously there's no correct way to view Veronica, but that's how I see it.

 

[HenzoStar]

Killian is not a bad guy, if anything he's often shown to be more caring than the MC most of the time, he just has a very small set of things he really cares about, and Mina is not in it. Just look at how he misses appointments with Mina because he's out late with other women, versus when he's up early cooking special friendship bacon for Edwin.

When shit does hit the fan, I think we would care more about being betrayed by the MC than about losing Mina.

Completely agree to this, i think Ian only really care about the people that have been there with him since he was bullied. Therefore thinking that noone really matters more than us. Ian might not be a good person but i truly think he's a good bro.

 

[Flojerazul]

Mina is very hot, I hope that in the future we can fuck her that big ass that she has, author if you read me take note of this thanks.

 

[Crimsonfiend76]

Completely agree to this, i think Ian only really care about the people that have been there with him since he was bullied. Therefore thinking that noone really matters more than us. Ian might not be a good person but i truly think he's a good bro.

As it relates to Mina, I don't think he's the jealous type. He's seen firsthand Mina spending time with Edwin more or less being his stand-in (due to his own forgetfulness or lack interest in being there for her), not the mention the 2 times they've hung out and played drinking games, he was completely in favor of 'sharing' Mina with his childhood bestie. At the end of the day, I'd say Ian's generally a good guy and great, thoughtful friend (to the point where Mina gets jealous of their friendship), who just happens to only have room in his head for two things, being there for Edwin and Victoria, and thinking with his 'other' head when it comes to girls he's not already dating, unless someone forgot to tell Mina their in an open relationship.

Given the circumstances, I thought Veronica's initial attitude was fairly neutral. She's courteous enough when they first meet unless the MC antagonizes her. She's a little snippy at their next meeting in the dressing room, but even there she's calm as long as the MC stays polite and professional. If the MC makes her laugh after Veronica forfeits round 2 she's even verging on friendly. Once we get to Week 1, she's more or less fine with the MC (again, as long as he isn't literally pissing her off).

She certainly throws barbs his way, but most of them seem fairly benign; "errand boy," for example, strikes me as her letting off some steam. It's fair to say Veronica is the least friendly of the Carnations, but I think that's because Felicia is a professional trophy wife, and Rosalind is pulling out all the stops to win. Veronica seems intent on winning the contest within the contest itself rather than by working the judges - as befits and Olympic track and field star. So is this a case of Veronica being prickly, or everyone else being obsequious? I'm inclined towards the latter.

To me, it's not Veronica's personality that causes friction, at least not directly. Veronica's personality is actually pretty easy going, with a mix of jocularity and droll bluntness. It just that she doesn't disguise her contempt for the contest; depending on how aligned with the contest he is, the MC will get tarred with that same brush to a greater or lesser extent. Hana starts out similarly unconvinced by the MC, but she was only peripherally involved in his job (whereas Veronica was told to strip for the MC right out of the gate).

Obviously there's no correct way to view Veronica, but that's how I see it.

I guess my impression of Veronica was skewed as less than friendly since my MC is approaching his job as a means to an end, and after hearing the motivations behind why some of the girls choose to compete, he can't help but think of his mother and in turn try to be the one person at the club not looking to actively or enthusiastically exploit or denigrate them. Despite trying to be sincere developing a professional, if not friendly rapport with her as he's done with all the other girls at the club, I guess given what she's been through and witnessed, she probably views him with suspicion and as just another lackey doing the bidding of the club.

 

[sunaboz]

On a side note, Pale Carnations is now 6th when you sort the games by weighted rating. Congratulations, well deserved. It's a shame so few people use this feature and miss out: https://f95zone.to/latest/#/cat=games/page=1/sort=rating

For that reason I encourage all of you to post a review of the game, even if it's short, since it helps with the exposure. I've seen many praises here but many of you haven't done it yet and it would boost the games popularity. There is also "Featured games slider" where you can suggest games that should be shown in the banner on the main site, this could also help.

 

[Heisenberg867]

On a side note, Pale Carnations is now 6th when you sort the games by weighted rating. Congratulations, well deserved. It's a shame so few people use this feature and miss out: https://f95zone.to/latest/#/cat=games/page=1/sort=rating

For that reason I encourage all of you to post a review of the game, even if it's short, since it helps with the exposure. I've seen many praises here but many of you haven't done it yet and it would boost the games popularity. There is also "Featured games slider" where you can suggest games that should be shown in the banner on the main site, this could also help.

I'm going to do that now. This game deserves all the exposure it can get.

 

[HenzoStar]

On a side note, Pale Carnations is now 6th when you sort the games by weighted rating. Congratulations, well deserved. It's a shame so few people use this feature and miss out: https://f95zone.to/latest/#/cat=games/page=1/sort=rating

For that reason I encourage all of you to post a review of the game, even if it's short, since it helps with the exposure. I've seen many praises here but many of you haven't done it yet and it would boost the games popularity. There is also "Featured games slider" where you can suggest games that should be shown in the banner on the main site, this could also help.

Definitely doing that soon, everyone should really try this beautifully written game.

 

[HenzoStar]

Mina is very hot, I hope that in the future we can fuck her that big ass that she has, author if you read me take note of this thanks.

well, idk about anal but we probably will fuck her good sooner or later xD.

 

[AwsHen]

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[SanaeS]

Since I didn't do it yet there it is my out of nowhere tier list for the love interests:

5)Mina
She's too childish and dumb for my MC,and besides he wouldn't mess with Killian unwavering loyalty . Still good fap material tho

4)Hana
She is a strong willed woman who can see beyond the club bullshit and hates it for it. The best kind to break. Even if my MC do not have something to use against her(yet) he thinks that keeping her around will surely prove useful in the future.


3)Felicia
She surely is a mysterious and dangerous woman,enduring all the Carnations humiliations for what? My MC doesn't buy the "I want to be in charge of this club" crap or her just being an horny slut/gold digger. Imho she may even be an undercover agent or something like that.


2)Veronica
She is such a prideful woman so used to competition that she would not be defeated by anyone in anything as long as she can fight,but she is sooo easy to trick. It would be a massive turn on for my MC to make her more submissive encouraging her to win the competition at any cost while sabotaging her to make her lose in the end(how would she take the loss after humiliating herself that far for nothing?)


1)Kathleen
My MC muse and inspiration,he has so much to learn from her about raising the cattle and pulling the strings of this shady business. Plus,there will probably be a moment where she will actually try to take over and get August out of the picture somehow. The main question for my MC is: will he be her loyal bitch boy to the end or he will try to turn the tables given the opportunity?

 

[Spfjolietjake]

There will be scenes that depend on you having behaved conscientiously. For example, turning down Kathleen's gift in the most recent update will carry its own reward in a future one. Naturally, being a jerk will have more immediate payoffs, but not being an asshole will play into things the further into the game we go. It's important to us (especially GIL, who emphasized this to me while working on the aforementioned Kat scene) that the good side of things are also fairly represented. This will usually be dependent on key choices you make FYI, not toughness.

Ahhhh to see everything I have to be nice?!? But but but being an asshole is too much fun on this one...

Nah seriously it's good to know that there are reasons for me to play both ways. After it's over I'll go back and play the nice way. Until then I'm just gonna embrace my dark side and enjoy it

 

[MRMIdAS2k]

Time for me to bitch about grammar again! YAY!

Only a couple of things this time, but still.

1) "The feeling of the shear material" should be "The feeling of the sheer material" Sheer is see-thru, Shear is to cut.
2) "She must of not been content" should be "She must have not been content" or "She must've not been content" should of, would of, could of, must of, etc are all wrong, and come from mis-hearing "should've" "would've" etc.

Other than those niggles, the route I played was very enjoyable, and I'm looking forward to the next one.

 

[Heisenberg867]

Time for me to bitch about grammar again! YAY!

Only a couple of things this time, but still.

1) "The feeling of the shear material" should be "The feeling of the sheer material" Sheer is see-thru, Shear is to cut.
2) "She must of not been content" should be "She must have not been content" or "She must've not been content" should of, would of, could of, must of, etc are all wrong, and come from mis-hearing "should've" "would've" etc.

Other than those niggles, the route I played was very enjoyable, and I'm looking forward to the next one.

Good catches. I also noted regular use of "diffuse" when the writer meant "defuse", but I want to emphasize again just how great the writing is in the game. Minor, occasional errors like that don't detract from it at all.

 

[GIL3D]

MRMIdAS2k Heisenberg867 Thanks guys, good catches. We do our best typo hunting but sometimes the most basic errors just become invisible to our eyes for some reason. I can see how the diffuse confusion happened tho, that's a word that is present in almost every other line of the script (image xxxx with diffuse").

 

[RandyPhoenix]

Hmm, well, some minor spots still have some basic animations and a couple more major scenes can't be feasibly improved upon without recreating the pose from scratch, so I don't know if we'll get to those anytime soon if at all.

So... up to you? Animations aside, if I remember correctly, you didn't seem too keen on the game's type of content in the first place. None of that has or will change, so you might still want to pass.

To be honest i cant remember that. Which thing i said i dont like about this game content? Generaly i dont like NTR and sharing and some FENDOM scenes makes MC weak and weird. And if theese things are avoidable in that game i dont have any problem. I mean every people have their things so nobody can say them their fantasy is wrong. I just dont like theese. So this game have theese without avoid change?