This really seems like completely contradictory stances to take -- if someone is intelligent about their skills, then that includes knowing their limits in these skills. Additionally, i don't know what you mean here by not knowing limits of the skills in this context, because gold digging and participation in sex exhibition are, at best, related only tangentially.
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Personally, I think you guys get way to hang up on some character's idiotic actions when everybody is capable of doing irrational/stupid things during emotional duress (and considering this is a story, sometimes is even needed for the plot
) . Granted, I also believe that Felicia is one of the most ignorant of the bunch when it comes to personal goals but that's only because the methods she is using seem pretty careless and stupid to me and unlike Rose and Veronica, she wasn't under the possible effects of desperation when the club (Ian in this case) approached she was scheming so she comes off as more of a dunce in comparison.That's not me saying that Feli is the only one that does stupid shit, far from it but I guess for some people she is the one that sticks out the most and with other cases... For example, Kathleen becoming such a deviant sadist to the point that a Mafioso is was expressing concern over it during a private convo and she is willing to invite a personal life realtionship of one of her "toys" merely to satisfy her sadism when it can cause a cascade of bad consequences for her gameshow IS stupid (at least imo) but since an action like this is done to satisfy her sadism players/characters may only percieve it as evil.
Mina is another example (Despite her being my favourite girl
) , she is far too willing to jump from a relationship with a guy that caused her a lot of pain trough a decent chunk of it to becoming physically intimiate with said person best friend despite herself recognizing how similiar the two of them are, that's also pretty stupid but it is more easily excused when you take into account her age and far too little life experience (and it can be semi-justifiable if the player has played Edwin in a way to make him differ from Ian) .I think my distaste/objection is mainly due to this difference -- that while you can point at pretty much every character in the game and at some arguably dumb actions they've performed, curiously, those actions don't cause people to extrapolate them into calling those characters "dumb sluts" in the same manner they're oh-so-happy to throw it at Felicia, anywhere near this quick.
In a way, it seems that she tends to push their buttons just as much as she does with Kat...
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You theory, while it has some points, also has some flaws. So time to throw a little falsify wrench in.
Let us start with a former Carnation winner. The winner of the first Carnation game is now a world famous actress and a red carpet regular. How much talent and how much connections due to the PC club is resposible for this rise is not know currently, but it seems that she is a great thespian, still the club connections will not have hurt, on the contrary. This is canon and it shows that the Carnations who win can rise high.
That she is called back to help this year is IMHO partly to show what the Club and it´s members can influence, small and large, but also very much due to the fact Kath starts her play to take over the club.
This plays into another point to make. Kath did NOT decode Felicia in the second round, on the contrary, Kath miscalculated several times when it comes to Felicia, e.g. her mother and Felicia are still on great terms. Bringing Elias into all this is not a sign of strength of Kath, no she is desperate to best Felicia and is taking extreme risk herself. August, who is the most businessman of the three PC leaders, would ask Kath if she is still well-insulated (that sarcastic saying really is lost in translation, I have to say) if he knew about Elias coming. Kath kept Elias secret from August and Chuck, knowing full well what both their reaction would be.
Once again, bringing Elias into it, is mostly because Kath has started her play to gain sole leadership of PC. It is actually Kath who is the more overconfident compared to Felicia.
Mina is ostensibly timid and shy mostly according to Ian who doesn't really know her all that well because he doesn't seem to have much interest in actually listening to what a girl may be saying.
The bucket list is something Mina simply didn't share with anyone (or at least not with her now ex-boyfriend) but we also know that she watches porn (again, weirding Ian out because, you know, a girl watching porn, inconceivable) so it's not like her interest in sex comes from nowhere.
Also, nothing really odd or timid and shy about developing one's interest in the same sex in early twenties.
The most irrealistic part about this game tbqh
I really do not believe a person like Ian who leads that kind of lifestyle would feel weird at all about his girlfriend watching porn, I guess one could make an argument it's due to childhood insecurites I still wouldn't buy it but that's just me
On the bucket list topic, I've never found it all that inconsistent or that it came "out of nowhere" since from all the previous interactions Edwin had with her can end up being a bit on the sexual or foreplay side (Like the audition scene practice or the King Game's at Ian's apartment) . I do believe she hadn't started to properly act on those desires as of pretty recently mainly because deep down she probably knew she didn't trust Ian for any kind of longterm serious relationship and only continued to be her girlrfriend in part do to pride (due to her Mother's relatinship background) and because of sunk coast fallacy despite being some things she genuinely liked about him.
On that scene however, my personal interpretation always was that she hadn't properly reacted to the betrayal mainly for two reasons:
The first one being, she was already very aware of Ian's constant cheating and lies, she put up with it mainly because it was her first serious relationship (At least that was Edwin's impression of it) so when it all came crashing down and she literally couldn't dismiss it anymore she gets very emotional for a bit but then shuts off, due to the fact that she has been dealing with her cheating the whole time.
The second one I believe is because she never took the relationship with Ian that seriously. Don't get me wrong, I do think she made an effort but it seems to me that she, being smarter than she looks, deep down knew she didn't want anything long-term with him (or at least this version of him).
If you don't like her or consider her a bad person, that's perfectly fine. She has her bad and good parts, just like all characters in this game. Personally to me, she seems the most moral of the bunch (When it comes to the girls) but that could change with any update obviously.
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Yes, but what are all those numerous scenes during the exhibition, in her hideout etc are for? They all imply that she has higher than average intellect and deep artistic personality. Doesn't match in my mind with an image of a dumb slut.
One minute she is a highly sophisticated and very intelligent woman, next moment she is sex crazed dumb slut who cannot calculate the consequences of her actions. And let me remind you, her whole career of a successful gold digger was based on her intelligence, manipulative skills and ability to calculate the consequences of her actions.
Sorry, but I cannot buy the "dumb slut" narrative. As she written, she is obviously one the most complicated and intelligent women in the game except (or not) maybe Kathleen. So, either she is truly playing 4D chess or she suffered a sudden brain damage when decided to go for the Exhibition.
Well, I think it is not a "bad theory" but a pretty obvious thing. Kathleen always digs a lot of information on the Carnations and invitation of Elias to the club cannot be a coincidence.
A few people here have expressed their opinion before that the Club is where Felicia shall belong to after the Exhibition. Maybe as a premium house girl. I can also see Rosie perfectly fitting in. She is basically the same as Lucy but softer and less ambitious. Veronica IMO is the most alien case, but if properly broken, can fit in the club too.
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Exposing felicia to her husband would screw up the exhibition. Why would Kathleen do that? She might threaten, even put pressure, but she wouldn't expose any of the girls, it doesn't help the exhibition at all
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Take this forum for instance, you would think the perverts here are pretty open-minded but there is a lot of whining about lesbianism, ntr or any kink they don't likeThe most irrealistic part about this game tbqh
I really do not believe a person like Ian who leads that kind of lifestyle would feel weird at all about his girlfriend watching porn, I guess one could make an argument it's due to childhood insecurites I still wouldn't buy it but that's just me
I bet half of the house girls, including aforementioned Lucy don't enjoy working in the club. But that kind of job sucks in, I guess. Easy money and quite good one. For example, the new girl Nicolette. The side character's guide literally says about her: "This poor girl’s showing you what’s gonna happen to Rosalind if she doesn’t win the competition".
Rosie doesn't strike me as a particularly strong willed or very intelligent woman. She is kind and has good soul but that's it. Of all three Carnations she is the most likely to make it into the house girls and get stuck there until there is the demand for her. Even if the debt is paid, she doesn't have good job and has a child to care for. Pretty much like the MC's mom.
As I mentioned before, the least likely candidate to remain in the club after the Exhibition is Veronica. She is stubborn, determined and most importantly lesbian
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You're acting like any of them have choices. This is an organized crime operation backed by the government. They own all the girls, including the Carnations. Once the mob gets their hooks into most people, they can never escape.I bet half of the house girls, including aforementioned Lucy don't enjoy working in the club. But that kind of job sucks in, I guess. Easy money and quite good one. For example, the new girl Nicolette. The side character's guide literally says about her: "This poor girl’s showing you what’s gonna happen to Rosalind if she doesn’t win the competition".
Rosie doesn't strike me as a particularly strong willed or very intelligent woman. She is kind and has good soul but that's it. Of all three Carnations she is the most likely to make it into the house girls and get stuck there until there is the demand for her. Even if the debt is paid, she doesn't have good job and has a child to care for. Pretty much like the MC's mom.
As I mentioned before, the least likely candidate to remain in the club after the Exhibition is Veronica. She is stubborn, determined and most importantly lesbian
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Counterpoint: she doesn't need to make big money once this immediate problem is resolved. Especially in case she ends up with MC-kun. She can work at a supermarket or something.
(EDIT: My queen needs not to work at all lest she wants to, I'd be honoured to provide for her. ❤ )
That's actually not important at all. Lots of lesbian girls do "straight" work in the sex industry.As I mentioned before, the least likely candidate to remain in the club after the Exhibition is Veronica. She is stubborn, determined and most importantly lesbian
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Initially I responded to a comment which implied that only those girls who like working in this industry work in the club. While I partially agree with your point, you go to another extreme suggesting that all the girls are basically slaves.
They are in fact, elite prostitutes who work there because the money is very good. Which doesn't exclude the possibility that some of them have to pay their debt, like Rosalind in the future, or bound by other circumstances.
Don't forget about her debt and also the fact that she put up with her shit of a husband is a sign of her meekness, not her strength. She is one of the softest girls in the club. And her job doesn't pay that well, especially considering that she has to raise a child.
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Rose has gone as far as sent her daughter away from home to hide the fact she's engaging in questionable sex work. To think she'd just casually stay as a whore at sex club, suddenly not caring about that aspect of her life anymore, is pretty much delusional.
The fact she is raising a child is especially the reason she wouldn't be okay with it. She didn't prostitute herself earlier despite her job not paying that well, it was never really a factor.
Considering that "I search their backgrounds thoroughly" Kathleen was convinced Felicia had no contact with her old life anymore, yes (and considering the distances involved keeping contact forthnightly is not bad, there are people living closer together who have contact only at holidays. So yes, Felicia still has good terms with her mom)! It is canon that Kathleen is very good at checking backgrounds, but she was completely blindsided here. And it is not the only case were she completely miscalculated concerning Felicia.
Another point you overlook is that while TD himself said that Felicia is not aware how tall the stakes for her are, it is also made clear by TD in the story that Feli is aware that the stakes are high. And she knows and plans for this. She has some knowledge other members of the club could use to further their own goals. If that info is half as good as Felicia thinks it is, then she WILL get what she wants, an independent influence base and money. That is not a popularity thing, but a business one.
Those people won't talk business with just a trophy wife of some clueless rich guy. Most of them won't be even interested in meeting her, because why would they? They're going to be as skeptical about her having anything that's of use to them, as you are.
To really get the ear of members of the club Felicia kind of needs to be a member of the club herself. Or, at least, that's what she believes.
(then, there's also the whole aspect of "i'm a member of secret club for powerful elites" social advancement, that can be pretty appealing in itself, if your interest is in climbing the social ladder; something Felicia is interested in)
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Is her situation with having a child much different from Victoria's (MC's mom) situation in the past or Lucy's situation in the present? And how getting fucked by a number of strangers during the Exhibition is different from prostitution? Oh yeah, instead of getting small sums of money from each client she hopes to get one large sum of money at the end (still being fucked by many strangers in the process). Different indeed
Not only (i've added other aspect in the edit) but it's the major reason, yes.
No one takes seriously a trophy wife. They're arm candy, and the expectations are they're vapid gold-diggers and only interested in what's their supposed role, i.e. looking pretty at social events to raise status of their husbands.
You're being disingenuous here and i don't see the point, other than maybe not wanting to admit there's a logic to Felicia's actions. She isn't not going to be "downgraded to a bitch" but "elevated to a club member".
(and the whole "downgraded to a bitch" thing has been talked about earlier in the thread with Beduin123 at extensive length. Just look it up, i don't think anyone has any interest left in rehashing that)
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We don't know the details, so it's difficult to say how their individual circumstances differ. It's however worth nothing that Lucy didn't join the club because she was lacking money. She did it because she wanted her kid admitted to prestigious school and the club could apparently provide her with this as reward for winning the contest.
Also keep in mind that even with Victoria and Lucy in the picture, that's two single moms out of how many women with poor jobs raising their kids single-handedly? It's not some automatic slide to prostitution by any stretch.
edit: Also also, if you're going to bring up Victoria then let's not forget Victoria isn't currently making porn videos. She's stopped at some point, and likely quite a long time ago. And i doubt this was because she couldn't get any further roles.
That there is no difference is very much the point. Rose didn't prostitute herself until she was backed into the corner by loan sharks. Once this problem is resolved, why do you think she'd do the same thing she didn't do when she didn't have to (i.e. prostitution) when she no longer has to?And how getting fucked by a number of strangers during the Exhibition is different from prostitution? Oh yeah, instead of getting small sums of money from each client she hopes to get one large sum of money at the end (still being fucked by many strangers in the process). Different indeed
The only argument for that you've suggested was "it's better money" but as pointed out Rose normally didn't care about getting more money to the point of earning it with her ass.
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