VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

My run's Mina & Killiance romance stat is zero.
But regardless, I hope that doesn't make it impossible for them to reconcile & possibly build their relationship up (and regain stats) again.
As for Ian's possible LIs, I wouldn't count Victoria or Hana as his LIs tbh.
With the former, well Victoria raised Ian along with Edwin (I know, I know. he fucked Alice, but this is Edwin's mom we're referring to. I really don't think he's gonna mess up his relationship with his best friend, especially given my Edwin's Bromance with Ian stat is maxed).
With Hana, I haven't had Edwin romance anyone other than Hana, but I'm skeptical she would go for him even in non-Hana routes (though can't say it with certainty I suppose).
As for Alice?
Uh, well he fucked her, but honestly I don't think there's any genuine love love there from Ian.
There's affection in which he feels given she raised him, as well as good trust, but love (as in romance) might be reaching it.

I agree with you that some of them are farfetched, but I think you know what I am meaning with established characters as LIs. Ian plays enough of a role in the game that I doubt he´ll be given a hastily written new LI.

ename144
Hi! Why do you disagree? As I wrote, so far in the game all potential love options for Edwin have been well introduced. I think we agree the only ones who truly have a chance to be Edwin´s SO are our 5 main girls plus Sophia and Kath. Ian´s role in the game is important enough that I do not see him be given a LI that is less introduced than Allison, Jerrica or even the one night stand if you were Veronica´s wingman.

 

[ename144]

I agree with you that some of them are farfetched, but I think you know what I am meaning with established characters as LIs. Ian plays enough of a role in the game that I doubt he´ll be given a hastily written new LI.

ename144
Hi! Why do you disagree? As I wrote, so far in the game all potential love options for Edwin have been well introduced. I think we agree the only ones who truly have a chance to be Edwin´s SO are our 5 main girls plus Sophia and Kath. Ian´s role in the game is important enough that I do not see him be given a LI that is less introduced than Allison, Jerrica or even the one night stand if you were Veronica´s wingman.

Hi, Turret.

I disagree because I don't think Ian needs a LI at all. He's not the main character, his life doesn't need to be developed to that degree. IF he hooks up with Mina again, then we would need the extra development because Mina is one of the MC's LIs, but otherwise all we need to see about a new girlfriend for Ian is how Ian treats her.

I also don't see Ian formally dating any of the remaining (major) ladies in the game. He's never even met a bunch of them, and the ones he has are all wrong for him. I suppose it's possible something might develop with Hana if the MC isn't pursuing her and Ian has turned over a new leaf, but we haven't seen anything long those lines so far and it feels very late in the game to add it.

 

[Turret]

Hi, Turret.

I disagree because I don't think Ian needs a LI at all. He's not the main character, his life doesn't need to be developed to that degree. IF he hooks up with Mina again, then we would need the extra development because Mina is one of the MC's LIs, but otherwise all we need to see about a new girlfriend for Ian is how Ian treats her.

I also don't see Ian formally dating any of the remaining (major) ladies in the game. He's never even met a bunch of them, and the ones he has are all wrong for him. I suppose it's possible something might develop with Hana if the MC isn't pursuing her and Ian has turned over a new leaf, but we haven't seen anything long those lines so far and it feels very late in the game to add it.

I definitely see your point! It is just that in the game so far the main cast characters, no matter if central or side, have been introduced with care. And Ian is core character enough that I simply doubt a potential LI of him being a one or two liner description and less introduced than some side characters.

 

[lustforsex]

It's nice to see the Ian and Mina reconciliation club gaining momentum, but joining it while downgrading their romance to 0 seems pretty weird, to be honest. Someone clearly needs to work on their mistakes

 

[JJJ84]

It's nice to see the Ian and Mina reconciliation club gaining momentum, but joining it while downgrading their romance to 0 seems pretty weird, to be honest. Someone clearly needs to work on their mistakes

Well, as for Mina's Killian romance stat being down to zero on my end being mistakes; answer to that is both Yes & No.
When I first played this recent update I didn't see the whole Ian wanted to apologize to Mina scene at the concert.
Neither did I see the Ian visiting Victoria in the morning with Ian scene.

And I noticed that Ian and Victoria scene is dependent on the whole "self-reflect" choice with Ian in terms of MC's dialogue with him.
That dialogue comes much later than all those initial MC & Mina scenes (which increases Mina affection points while whittling down Killian romance points). Hence, at that point I had no way of knowing self reflect will result in additional Ian and Mina stuff too (i.e. his apology to Mina) - unless I can predict the future .

So I ended up just doing what I usually did; get Mina's affection points up (like I try to do with most characters), but letting her down gently to pursue Hana romance.
Hence, on one hand I could have tried to avoid getting Killian romance points getting whittled down, but on the other hand not really a mistake given I had no way of knowing this in advance not to mention I did want to raise Mina affection points despite not choosing her as my Edwin's LI.

Here's hoping TD1900 is less strict about it if he decides Ian-Mina reconciliation is a path; especially given that Ian-Victoria morning event is dependent on "self-reflect" dialogue choice more than the actual "Killian bromance" stat itself.

 

[Meiri]

Two things that came to my mind after finishing replay;

1) While I steered Ian away from the path of vengeance and advised him to take the morally high road, I do still wish Grace gets some sort of comeuppance of sorts; which none of it's Edwin's or Ian's doing.
Otherwise if she just gets off scot free, I'd feel incredibly dissatisfied.

2) This one, I'd imagine may be divisive among this game's fans - is it just me, or does anyone think Ian & Mina should get back together? Some may disagree; especially players having Edwin romancing Mina.
But I honestly think that assuming the player has Edwin steer Ian towards path of redemption (him genuinely trying to apologize to Mina is a start), Ian and Mina getting back together would be good for Ian.

1) I think Grace has actually lost a child when you think about it, currently Ian at least the introspect one probably looks more at Victoria for a motherly figure, so either Grace realizes that she's in the wrong and tries to fix her relationship with Ian or he's pretty much done with her.
I don't think Grace has actually realized that her own kid resents her, when she actually thinks about it, I think she'll try to redeem herself.

2) I don't think it's going to happen unfortunately, but I agree with you, if you don't pursue Mina and have helped Ian change I think these two could work out as a couple this time.

 

[lustforsex]

Well, as for Mina's Killian romance stat being down to zero on my end being mistakes; answer to that is both Yes & No.
When I first played this recent update I didn't see the whole Ian wanted to apologize to Mina scene at the concert.
Neither did I see the Ian visiting Victoria in the morning with Ian scene.

And I noticed that Ian and Victoria scene is dependent on the whole "self-reflect" choice with Ian in terms of MC's dialogue with him.
That dialogue comes much later than all those initial MC & Mina scenes (which increases Mina affection points while whittling down Killian romance points). Hence, at that point I had no way of knowing self reflect will result in additional Ian and Mina stuff too (i.e. his apology to Mina) - unless I can predict the future .

So I ended up just doing what I usually did; get Mina's affection points up (like I try to do with most characters), but letting her down gently to pursue Hana romance.
Hence, on one hand I could have tried to avoid getting Killian romance points getting whittled down, but on the other hand not really a mistake given I had no way of knowing this in advance not to mention I did want to raise Mina affection points despite not choosing her as my Edwin's LI.

Here's hoping TD1900 is less strict about it if he decides Ian-Mina reconciliation is a path; especially given that Ian-Victoria morning event is dependent on "self-reflect" dialogue choice more than the actual "Killian bromance" stat itself.

When you decided to cross the line with Mina, did you ever consider at the time that such an action would actually lower you and Mina to Ian's level? But they will still break up in a couple of days... Yeah, I know players might view such a decision as Ian's actions deserving it, forgetting that such a development could be highly questionable for both Edwin and Mina.

As far as I remember, Mina's mother was just jumping from one man to another, and I wouldn't want Mina to suffer the same fate. Btw, it would be interesting to see Edwin cross the line with Mina, set Ian on a path of introspection, and then try to reconcile them and Ian eventually learn about their adventures. Hypocrisy in all its glory

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Yeah, right

 

[JJJ84]

When you decided to cross the line with Mina, did you ever consider at the time that such an action would actually lower you and Mina to Ian's level? But they will still break up in a couple of days... Yeah, I know players might view such a decision as Ian's actions deserving it, forgetting that such a development could be highly questionable for both Edwin and Mina.

As far as I remember, Mina's mother was just jumping from one man to another, and I wouldn't want Mina to suffer the same fate. Btw, it would be interesting to see Edwin cross the line with Mina, set Ian on a path of introspection, and then try to reconcile them and Ian eventually learn about their adventures. Hypocrisy in all its glory

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Yeah, right

Nah, Ian had been banging countless number of girls behind Mina's back just so he can keep on pushing and pushing her to break up with him for his amusement (prior to Edwin advising him to self-reflect), so while there was some fooling around I wouldn't say what Mina and Edwin did as being on Ian's level; especially if the player decided to break it off with Mina (in my case, to pursue Hana, since she's always been my favorite LI).

Even if Ian somehow learns of their "adventures" (though there's not really much to tell for it to be even considered an adventure anyway , given other than Edwin kissing Mina, only stuff he did was sucking her tits & eating her pussy. After that, my Edwin puts stop to it saying he can't help her with her list anymore and it ends amicably when deciding Hana is the one for him), he wouldn't have any right to judge/call out Mina & MC out on that given shit he did was well.... soooooooo much worse, that it's not even comparable lol


You name the MC as..... Exp?

 

[Idontplay]

You name the MC as..... Exp?

Better Exp than Maincharacter, like I do the name I use everytime I play a game, in which there isn't a default name for the main character.

EDIT: fixed

 

[JJJ84]

Better Exp than Maincharacter, like I do everytime I play a game, in which there isn't a default name for the main character.

I would have used neither lol
Putting that aside, there is a default name for the MC in this game though; Edwin.

 

[Idontplay]

I suppose 99% of us is using Edwin.

 

[torresm]

You name the MC as..... Exp?

Robert -> Rob
Expert -> Exp?

Or maybe his full name is Expholomew or something along these lines.

 

[lustforsex]

Nah, Ian had been banging countless number of girls behind Mina's back just so he can keep on pushing and pushing her to break up with him for his amusement (prior to Edwin advising him to self-reflect), so while there was some fooling around I wouldn't say what Mina and Edwin did as being on Ian's level; especially if the player decided to break it off with Mina (in my case, to pursue Hana, since she's always been my favorite LI).

Even if Ian somehow learns of their "adventures" (though there's not really much to tell for it to be even considered an adventure anyway , given other than Edwin kissing Mina, only stuff he did was sucking her tits & eating her pussy. After that, my Edwin puts stop to it saying he can't help her with her list anymore and it ends amicably when deciding Hana is the one for him), he wouldn't have any right to judge/call out Mina & MC out on that given shit he did was well.... soooooooo much worse, that it's not even comparable lol

In your case, quitting with Mina because you decided to go the Hana GF route seems more acceptable, but there are far more players who haven't. It's a different matter if players don't care about Ian and, without delving too deeply into the game, immediately label him as someone who won't change.

Of course, compared to what Ian did, it's incomparable, but doing something questionable just because you know someone else was worse is, in my opinion, an inappropriate excuse.
As a result, attempts to justify their actions by saying that Ian is even worse simply look like an evasion of responsibility.

You name the MC as..... Exp?

I suppose 99% of us is using Edwin.

A survey could be conducted, because I am sure that 99% is far from the truth

 

[torresm]

A survey could be conducted, because I am sure that 99% is far from the truth

As we all know, 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.

But seriously, any time a game suggests a default name, I'll go with it. I'm terrible with names, and most of the time will end up with the most boring ones possible like Paul and John.

 

[dolfe67]

Renaming the MC is one of the most important feature of an AVN, so I lean more on the 99% are renaming them. Some people prefer saying the default name instead of MC in discussions though, even if they renamed.

 

[Idontplay]

Are all of you really starting to debate about how much players are using the Edwin's default name? Seriously?

 

[lustforsex]

As we all know, 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.

But seriously, any time a game suggests a default name, I'll go with it. I'm terrible with names, and most of the time will end up with the most boring ones possible like Paul and John.

Personally, I don't care who calls the MC what, even if it's "PussyDestroer1998", but I can understand those who don't want to reveal the name (I've seen screenshots more than once where the MC's name was hidden on this forum) that they gave to their MC, because it can be picked on and laughed at without knowing the context.

 

[FRVN]

Her name was Marlow. And sure, that went terribly, but I prefer to think of it as practice for the real throuple now that Mina is here.

As for whether Marlow will show up again, I doubt it. She plays a role in the MC's backstory, but it's a small one and I don't see a lot she can add to the mix at this point. The game has more than enough balls to juggle just with the characters already involved in the current day. But we'll see what happens.

Fair warning, though: if we do get the return of Marlow in a special interlude titled "Crossroads," I am out!!

After doing a replay through the entire game and seeing the scenes with Marlow again, I feel like if she was just for fleshing out Edwin's backstory, they wouldn't have spent the time to make a model and renders for her, it would've just been through dialogue, like with how we haven't seen other characters that have been mentioned, like Rose's ex-husband or Veronica's ex-wife (outside of a photo at her place). Maybe Kathleen will contact her/bring her in to further poke at Edwin and push him towards his sadistic side. But that's just the vibe I get from seeing that scene. I wouldn't be surprised if she was just for backstory.

Renaming the MC is one of the most important feature of an AVN, so I lean more on the 99% are renaming them. Some people prefer saying the default name instead of MC in discussions though, even if they renamed.

Personally, I don't care who calls the MC what, even if it's "PussyDestroer1998", but I can understand those who don't want to reveal the name (I've seen screenshots more than once where the MC's name was hidden on this forum) that they gave to their MC, because it can be picked on and laughed at without knowing the context.

For the majority of AVNs with customizable names, I use my own name, which I would rather not give out for privacy reasons. If I'm sharing screenshots on here, I'll either crop it to just the dialogue or use a fresh save where I kept the default name. In the case of PC, I used my own name for all but one of my saves; I kept Edwin as the name for that save. Also, I use the MC's default name in discussions, unless I forgot what it is.

 

[ffive]

I mean, I'm not discounting at all what Ian has done.
What he has done (intentionally trying to push Mina's buttons to see how far it takes till she breaks up with him) was him being a literal asshole and absolute deplorable thing to do.
Difference between then and now is that before, Ian wasn't aware (and didn't care about his actions), and now he does, given Edwin set him on the "self-reflect"/redemption path - assuming player chose this path for Ian.

I don't agree that Ian was somehow unaware of what he was doing. IMO he knew it very well, he simply did not care if not even revel in it. His attitude towards women is what it is, and a bit of newly gained self-reflection isn't really changing this, nor is it going to automagically mend his old ways and mentality.

He is someone i'd be very reluctant to see with any woman tbh (other than someone who understands exactly what sort of guy he is, and is into it) and Mina least of all. You'd be basically saddling her with constant reminder of what she's experienced from Ian in the past. Again, i don't think this is something she deserves.

Besides, let's set aside the "who Mina deserves" aspect, & looks at it down in terms of overall story aspect.
Can Ian hook up with billions of other women out there?
Sure. But establishing any as his potential girlfriend (as Edwin suggest just as Hell Week starts assuming player took "self-reflect" path with him) to enter the storyline?

Then we can simply live without "Ian gets himself a girlfriend". Looking at it overally, it's not like this is crucial part of the story, and if anything i think it'd stretch credibility to see Ian suddenly do a full 180 on his former behavior after just one talk with Edwin.

So having her forgive Ian, but they start off friends but gradually rekindle their romance I dunno about you but I can see working (compared to introducing a "nobody" LI for Ian whom I won't care about about at all at this stage).

I'm sorry but i can't see such development as anything but Stockholm Syndrome developed by a girl whose first boyfriend was an utter asshole and she's never had a chance to experience anything better. Which is to say, i hate the idea of doing Mina dirty like that.

Plus, there's just one week of the story left. I really don't see such reconcilement happening in such time frame as anything but an ass pull.

edit: also, i kind of want to challenge the idea that it's somehow too late to introduce new "gf for Killian" because the player wouldn't have time to care about her. It didn't exactly take long (both in the game's calendar and in terms of updates) to introduce Mina to the player as a likeable character that they'd start to care about, did it? Same for Hana and everyone else Edwin has developed rapport with. It's not like people were collectively sitting on the fence about them until Exhibition #3 rolled around.

 

[ffive]

That said, I'm now all in on shooting the moon and trying for the Ian/Mina/MC throuple instead.

After the last throuple experience Edwin had with Ian, that nearly crippled their friendship after but one week, i'm sure the second time will be a charm. Something something insanity.

I tried to help them stay together like a good friend should.

You think a good friend should be trying to have you stay with someone who is cheating on you without any remorse and at every opportunity, flaunting it to the point of taking videos and leaving them at your place? Man, save me from friends like that.

When you decided to cross the line with Mina, did you ever consider at the time that such an action would actually lower you and Mina to Ian's level?

No, because Edwin isn't cheating on his partner by fucking Mina, and Ian didn't fuck girls behind Mina's back after he has learned that she'd been continually cheating on him. These are very much apples and oranges, with both Mina and Edwin understanding that Ian has effectively burned the bridge down at this point and his relationship with Mina was no longer. Even if he's had yet to receive the formal note about it.