VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Discrepancy]

I agree that Mina shouldn't be reduced to a mere reward for Ian, but I do think there are some valid reasons why the two might try to reconcile if Ian is on the path to becoming a better person, and there is some potential chemistry between them. That said, I'm now all in on shooting the moon and trying for the Ian/Mina/MC throuple instead.

I'm not interested in a throuple relationship there, Edwin and Ian had that before and did not went well, but Mina and Ian becoming cordial or even friends would be cool and if it lead to threesomes or foursomes with Hana or Felish would be great
By the way I wonder if the girl of that throuple relationship will ever appear again (sorry can't remember her name)

 

[ename144]

I'm not interested in a throuple relationship there, Edwin and Ian had that before and did not went well, but Mina and Ian becoming cordial or even friends would be cool and if it lead to threesomes or foursomes with Hana or Felish would be great
By the way I wonder if the girl of that throuple relationship will ever appear again (sorry can't remember her name)

Her name was Marlow. And sure, that went terribly, but I prefer to think of it as practice for the real throuple now that Mina is here.

As for whether Marlow will show up again, I doubt it. She plays a role in the MC's backstory, but it's a small one and I don't see a lot she can add to the mix at this point. The game has more than enough balls to juggle just with the characters already involved in the current day. But we'll see what happens.

Fair warning, though: if we do get the return of Marlow in a special interlude titled "Crossroads," I am out!!

 

[Discrepancy]

Fair warning, though: if we do get the return of Marlow in a special interlude titled "Crossroads," I am out!!

Will she dye her hair blue and go surf to California though?

 

[hitman2511]

The only throuple for me is MC/Hana/Mina and a throuple with a man is GAY.

 

[Turret]

I agree that Mina shouldn't be reduced to a mere reward for Ian, but I do think there are some valid reasons why the two might try to reconcile if Ian is on the path to becoming a better person, and there is some potential chemistry between them. That said, I'm now all in on shooting the moon and trying for the Ian/Mina/MC throuple instead.

Amusingly, my new Mina-centric run wound up with a staggering 5 Killian Romance points by the time the MC was hanging out with her before the Exhibition.
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Apparently waiting those extra few days to make a move on her shields the Romance value from that crippling -3 hit. She's still officially just an Acting Partners, too. I'm not sure if that's intentional or an extremely obscure bug, but if it helps get that throuple I won't complain.

And as I stated in my original post, it would be far too much (and rushed/sloppy work) to establish a brand new LI for Ian who he genuinely gets in a real relationship with, and not just just a fling.
The whole "billions of other women out there" would work if it was early game where Ian self-reflected.

But it's not, and any "new" girlfriend character who comes into light will need to start the relationship building literally right from the scratch (with Mina, no need).

Hi!
I agree with you both that a reconciliation between Ian and Mina should be a possibility. I tried to help them stay together like a good friend should. Going into the "Elias Evening", they still have a 6 Romance rating.
A Killian who is reflective of his deeds should have the chance to regain a relationship with Mina.

Also agree that a brand new LI for Ian would be extremly problematic to establish at this point in the game. She would need to be introduced quite broadly, taking away space from the current cast. We see this to a certain degree with Allison, who most probably is not meant as a real LI option and she is crossing paths with Edwin, not Ian.
For Edwin as LI we have our 5 main girls plus Sophia and Kath as the only female characters fleshed out properly enough for a game with intense characterisation to be real options. Even Andrea and Dalia as already established characters hypothetically pushed in during the next week would be reaching. Doable if needed, but reaching. No, for our hero the love options are Hana, Felicia, Sophia, Mina, Rosi, Veronika and Kath.

For Ian, who is an important character, but still a side character, the possible list of established LIs is smaller: Mina, Viktoria, Alice and Hana(the relations between the two steadily getting less frosty) in runs where Edwin goes for another girl. Those 4 are the only female characters in Ian´s orbit to be valid options.

 

[ename144]

For the record, I don't think Killian "needs" a fleshed-out girlfriend to wrap up his story, not even if the MC does help straighten his life out. We've already met Amber, and she would be more than sufficient to show that Ian is taking things more seriously this time; the exact details aren't as important as the broad strokes, and Ian can deliver those on his own. (Amber would also be more than sufficient to show if Ian isn't taking her more seriously than Mina, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.)

Obviously if it *is* possible for him to get back together with Mina, that would require a lot more detail, but that's because Mina is a main character in her own right. Ian is not reliant on her for a satisfying finale, at least not in my book.

 

[JJJ84]

For Ian, who is an important character, but still a side character, the possible list of established LIs is smaller: Mina, Viktoria, Alice and Hana(the relations between the two steadily getting less frosty) in runs where Edwin goes for another girl. Those 4 are the only female characters in Ian´s orbit to be valid options.

My run's Mina & Killiance romance stat is zero.
But regardless, I hope that doesn't make it impossible for them to reconcile & possibly build their relationship up (and regain stats) again.

As for Ian's possible LIs, I wouldn't count Victoria or Hana as his LIs tbh.
With the former, well Victoria raised Ian along with Edwin (I know, I know. he fucked Alice, but this is Edwin's mom we're referring to. I really don't think he's gonna mess up his relationship with his best friend, especially given my Edwin's Bromance with Ian stat is maxed).

With Hana, I haven't had Edwin romance anyone other than Hana, but I'm skeptical she would go for him even in non-Hana routes (though can't say it with certainty I suppose).

As for Alice?
Uh, well he fucked her, but honestly I don't think there's any genuine love love there from Ian.
There's affection in which he feels given she raised him, as well as good trust, but love (as in romance) might be reaching it.

 

[Turret]

For the record, I don't think Killian "needs" a fleshed-out girlfriend to wrap up his story, not even if the MC does help straighten his life out. We've already met Amber, and she would be more than sufficient to show that Ian is taking things more seriously this time; the exact details aren't as important as the broad strokes, and Ian can deliver those on his own. (Amber would also be more than sufficient to show if Ian isn't taking her more seriously than Mina, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.)

Obviously if it *is* possible for him to get back together with Mina, that would require a lot more detail, but that's because Mina is a main character in her own right. Ian is not reliant on her for a satisfying finale, at least not in my book.

While you are right that Ian does not "need" a fully fleshed out LI to round out his path, it would run contrary to what we witnessed in the game so far. All possible love options have been and still are fleshed out with care for Edwin. Ian is important enough in the game that it is less conceivable his LIs being less introduced than e.g. Jerrica, a complete side character, is.

 

[Simpgor]

Like more willing participants like Felicia and less like Rose and Veronica (still I think those last two are starting to enjoy parts of the debauchery there )

If the club was more consensual Veronica would 100% want to be a patron

 

[Turret]

My run's Mina & Killiance romance stat is zero.
But regardless, I hope that doesn't make it impossible for them to reconcile & possibly build their relationship up (and regain stats) again.
As for Ian's possible LIs, I wouldn't count Victoria or Hana as his LIs tbh.
With the former, well Victoria raised Ian along with Edwin (I know, I know. he fucked Alice, but this is Edwin's mom we're referring to. I really don't think he's gonna mess up his relationship with his best friend, especially given my Edwin's Bromance with Ian stat is maxed).
With Hana, I haven't had Edwin romance anyone other than Hana, but I'm skeptical she would go for him even in non-Hana routes (though can't say it with certainty I suppose).
As for Alice?
Uh, well he fucked her, but honestly I don't think there's any genuine love love there from Ian.
There's affection in which he feels given she raised him, as well as good trust, but love (as in romance) might be reaching it.

I agree with you that some of them are farfetched, but I think you know what I am meaning with established characters as LIs. Ian plays enough of a role in the game that I doubt he´ll be given a hastily written new LI.

ename144
Hi! Why do you disagree? As I wrote, so far in the game all potential love options for Edwin have been well introduced. I think we agree the only ones who truly have a chance to be Edwin´s SO are our 5 main girls plus Sophia and Kath. Ian´s role in the game is important enough that I do not see him be given a LI that is less introduced than Allison, Jerrica or even the one night stand if you were Veronica´s wingman.

 

[ename144]

I agree with you that some of them are farfetched, but I think you know what I am meaning with established characters as LIs. Ian plays enough of a role in the game that I doubt he´ll be given a hastily written new LI.

ename144
Hi! Why do you disagree? As I wrote, so far in the game all potential love options for Edwin have been well introduced. I think we agree the only ones who truly have a chance to be Edwin´s SO are our 5 main girls plus Sophia and Kath. Ian´s role in the game is important enough that I do not see him be given a LI that is less introduced than Allison, Jerrica or even the one night stand if you were Veronica´s wingman.

Hi, Turret.

I disagree because I don't think Ian needs a LI at all. He's not the main character, his life doesn't need to be developed to that degree. IF he hooks up with Mina again, then we would need the extra development because Mina is one of the MC's LIs, but otherwise all we need to see about a new girlfriend for Ian is how Ian treats her.

I also don't see Ian formally dating any of the remaining (major) ladies in the game. He's never even met a bunch of them, and the ones he has are all wrong for him. I suppose it's possible something might develop with Hana if the MC isn't pursuing her and Ian has turned over a new leaf, but we haven't seen anything long those lines so far and it feels very late in the game to add it.

 

[Turret]

Hi, Turret.

I disagree because I don't think Ian needs a LI at all. He's not the main character, his life doesn't need to be developed to that degree. IF he hooks up with Mina again, then we would need the extra development because Mina is one of the MC's LIs, but otherwise all we need to see about a new girlfriend for Ian is how Ian treats her.

I also don't see Ian formally dating any of the remaining (major) ladies in the game. He's never even met a bunch of them, and the ones he has are all wrong for him. I suppose it's possible something might develop with Hana if the MC isn't pursuing her and Ian has turned over a new leaf, but we haven't seen anything long those lines so far and it feels very late in the game to add it.

I definitely see your point! It is just that in the game so far the main cast characters, no matter if central or side, have been introduced with care. And Ian is core character enough that I simply doubt a potential LI of him being a one or two liner description and less introduced than some side characters.

 

[lustforsex]

It's nice to see the Ian and Mina reconciliation club gaining momentum, but joining it while downgrading their romance to 0 seems pretty weird, to be honest. Someone clearly needs to work on their mistakes

 

[JJJ84]

It's nice to see the Ian and Mina reconciliation club gaining momentum, but joining it while downgrading their romance to 0 seems pretty weird, to be honest. Someone clearly needs to work on their mistakes

Well, as for Mina's Killian romance stat being down to zero on my end being mistakes; answer to that is both Yes & No.
When I first played this recent update I didn't see the whole Ian wanted to apologize to Mina scene at the concert.
Neither did I see the Ian visiting Victoria in the morning with Ian scene.

And I noticed that Ian and Victoria scene is dependent on the whole "self-reflect" choice with Ian in terms of MC's dialogue with him.
That dialogue comes much later than all those initial MC & Mina scenes (which increases Mina affection points while whittling down Killian romance points). Hence, at that point I had no way of knowing self reflect will result in additional Ian and Mina stuff too (i.e. his apology to Mina) - unless I can predict the future .

So I ended up just doing what I usually did; get Mina's affection points up (like I try to do with most characters), but letting her down gently to pursue Hana romance.
Hence, on one hand I could have tried to avoid getting Killian romance points getting whittled down, but on the other hand not really a mistake given I had no way of knowing this in advance not to mention I did want to raise Mina affection points despite not choosing her as my Edwin's LI.

Here's hoping TD1900 is less strict about it if he decides Ian-Mina reconciliation is a path; especially given that Ian-Victoria morning event is dependent on "self-reflect" dialogue choice more than the actual "Killian bromance" stat itself.

 

[Meiri]

Two things that came to my mind after finishing replay;

1) While I steered Ian away from the path of vengeance and advised him to take the morally high road, I do still wish Grace gets some sort of comeuppance of sorts; which none of it's Edwin's or Ian's doing.
Otherwise if she just gets off scot free, I'd feel incredibly dissatisfied.

2) This one, I'd imagine may be divisive among this game's fans - is it just me, or does anyone think Ian & Mina should get back together? Some may disagree; especially players having Edwin romancing Mina.
But I honestly think that assuming the player has Edwin steer Ian towards path of redemption (him genuinely trying to apologize to Mina is a start), Ian and Mina getting back together would be good for Ian.

1) I think Grace has actually lost a child when you think about it, currently Ian at least the introspect one probably looks more at Victoria for a motherly figure, so either Grace realizes that she's in the wrong and tries to fix her relationship with Ian or he's pretty much done with her.
I don't think Grace has actually realized that her own kid resents her, when she actually thinks about it, I think she'll try to redeem herself.

2) I don't think it's going to happen unfortunately, but I agree with you, if you don't pursue Mina and have helped Ian change I think these two could work out as a couple this time.

 

[lustforsex]

Well, as for Mina's Killian romance stat being down to zero on my end being mistakes; answer to that is both Yes & No.
When I first played this recent update I didn't see the whole Ian wanted to apologize to Mina scene at the concert.
Neither did I see the Ian visiting Victoria in the morning with Ian scene.

And I noticed that Ian and Victoria scene is dependent on the whole "self-reflect" choice with Ian in terms of MC's dialogue with him.
That dialogue comes much later than all those initial MC & Mina scenes (which increases Mina affection points while whittling down Killian romance points). Hence, at that point I had no way of knowing self reflect will result in additional Ian and Mina stuff too (i.e. his apology to Mina) - unless I can predict the future .

So I ended up just doing what I usually did; get Mina's affection points up (like I try to do with most characters), but letting her down gently to pursue Hana romance.
Hence, on one hand I could have tried to avoid getting Killian romance points getting whittled down, but on the other hand not really a mistake given I had no way of knowing this in advance not to mention I did want to raise Mina affection points despite not choosing her as my Edwin's LI.

Here's hoping TD1900 is less strict about it if he decides Ian-Mina reconciliation is a path; especially given that Ian-Victoria morning event is dependent on "self-reflect" dialogue choice more than the actual "Killian bromance" stat itself.

When you decided to cross the line with Mina, did you ever consider at the time that such an action would actually lower you and Mina to Ian's level? But they will still break up in a couple of days... Yeah, I know players might view such a decision as Ian's actions deserving it, forgetting that such a development could be highly questionable for both Edwin and Mina.

As far as I remember, Mina's mother was just jumping from one man to another, and I wouldn't want Mina to suffer the same fate. Btw, it would be interesting to see Edwin cross the line with Mina, set Ian on a path of introspection, and then try to reconcile them and Ian eventually learn about their adventures. Hypocrisy in all its glory

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Yeah, right

 

[JJJ84]

When you decided to cross the line with Mina, did you ever consider at the time that such an action would actually lower you and Mina to Ian's level? But they will still break up in a couple of days... Yeah, I know players might view such a decision as Ian's actions deserving it, forgetting that such a development could be highly questionable for both Edwin and Mina.

As far as I remember, Mina's mother was just jumping from one man to another, and I wouldn't want Mina to suffer the same fate. Btw, it would be interesting to see Edwin cross the line with Mina, set Ian on a path of introspection, and then try to reconcile them and Ian eventually learn about their adventures. Hypocrisy in all its glory

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Yeah, right

Nah, Ian had been banging countless number of girls behind Mina's back just so he can keep on pushing and pushing her to break up with him for his amusement (prior to Edwin advising him to self-reflect), so while there was some fooling around I wouldn't say what Mina and Edwin did as being on Ian's level; especially if the player decided to break it off with Mina (in my case, to pursue Hana, since she's always been my favorite LI).

Even if Ian somehow learns of their "adventures" (though there's not really much to tell for it to be even considered an adventure anyway , given other than Edwin kissing Mina, only stuff he did was sucking her tits & eating her pussy. After that, my Edwin puts stop to it saying he can't help her with her list anymore and it ends amicably when deciding Hana is the one for him), he wouldn't have any right to judge/call out Mina & MC out on that given shit he did was well.... soooooooo much worse, that it's not even comparable lol


You name the MC as..... Exp?

 

[Idontplay]

You name the MC as..... Exp?

Better Exp than Maincharacter, like I do the name I use everytime I play a game, in which there isn't a default name for the main character.

EDIT: fixed

 

[JJJ84]

Better Exp than Maincharacter, like I do everytime I play a game, in which there isn't a default name for the main character.

I would have used neither lol
Putting that aside, there is a default name for the MC in this game though; Edwin.

 

[Idontplay]

I suppose 99% of us is using Edwin.