VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Discrepancy]

Hi!
No problem, our discussion lives from the various standpoints we have. My look at it is not simply fanfiction, I ´ll show you why I think so below. As an aside, with the game advancing further and further it becomes clearer that Sophia/Abel are shaped to be a middle path to go on. They certainly are not something akin to Kath and Chuck, opposing them, but also have few qualms to do what they consider necessary. Sophia (we know not much about Abel so far) is one of the few bright lights in the club, but she has a couple of black schlieren on her.

We should not forget that so far the game never shied away from showing consequences of events happening, e.g. Jacob putting Oliver into coma. Until now there has been no pics showing what happens in the cellar, while we have info on some other "delicate" happenings. There is someone kept prisoner in there, that´s for sure, but I doubt that Sophia does much to him/her. The advances of her "Viagra+" are far too quick even for a genius like her (remember Abel and Sophia are in the club not much longer than our hero is) to be made in that cellar with one "lab person".
It is far more likely that the newer versions are coming from Abel and Sophia´s black labs, with additional research info gained from the use in the club with older versions. It is complete BS to believe they research the drug at the club when they have black labs available. Abel and Sophia are shown as two geniuses, she even outshining him. There is no way in hell that they would be so dumb as to research an illegal medicine/drug in a location not really secret and under control from others. This could potentially ruin Abel and his firm´s sterling reputation, so a no go. The "research of super-viagra" in that cellar is most likely a scam, a stage play to seem similar deviant as many of the other VIP members.
You might remember our discussion on personality imprints, grafts and special training, worthy of secret services and stuff. I theorise Sophia (and Abel to a lesser degree) has several done on her to be able to function undercover in the den of depravity the club is. I think they underestimated what these imprints can and cannot do and what they will do to them over the long run.

What in this discussion on Abel/Sophia is also frequently lost, whatever the exact parameters of their relationship are, Sophia is his chosen successor. Given Abel´s age, he will retire within the next few years and Sophia will become leader of a medical empire. His corporation is depicted in the game as one of the truly major players in medical production and research.

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I'm a bit confused here, you think Sophia and Abel did the "viagra+" but just not in the cellar, but on their secret labs? If so how that makes them less "evil" or not?

 

[Turret]

Come on! An half-truth is still a lie, or at least we can't be truly honest to Mina, the truth will be a third option: Tell mina the truth say Ian is cheating on her. I would probably chose the half truth though, but that is still lying om my book

If a half-truth is seen as a lie or not, is very much situation-, context- and location-dependent. I personally would not be overly happy to have to go for the half-truth, but it is better than flat-out lying. Also would let Ian know (which you can to a degree in-game) what I think about having to go for a half-truth for him.

 

[shazamanone]

full save anyone?

 

[HeyZen_]

Hello everyone, I played this game a long time ago and I remember a trio with the MC's friend, I would like to ask if there can be another trio with him at some other time?

 

[FRVN]

Hello everyone, I played this game a long time ago and I remember a trio with the MC's friend, I would like to ask if there can be another trio with him at some other time?

That's the only one with the MC and his friend so far, the only other 3-way in the game at the moment is the MC with 2 girls (Felicia and Mina)

 

[Discrepancy]

Hello everyone, I played this game a long time ago and I remember a trio with the MC's friend, I would like to ask if there can be another trio with him at some other time?

MC can have a threesome with Ian and Rose, MC can have a threesome with Mina and Felicia, there's an almost threesome with MC, Ian and Felicia too.
I assume that was your question

 

[HeyZen_]

Oh great, my left hand is ready , thank you all

 

[Turret]

I'm a bit confused here, you think Sophia and Abel did the "viagra+" but just not in the cellar, but on their secret labs? If so how that makes them less "evil" or not?

Sophia´s invention is not a complete secret and known inside their firm. It is just that "Viagra+" should be made into a pure energy drink instead of a sex medicine. Abel and Sophia play up the angle of them being dissatisfied with the direction the firm wants to take with the new invention. Most development on the drug is done in normal labs, some "special spin" done by Sophia in the black labs - maybe. It is also probable that nearly all development is done in the normal labs, because it is unlikely a major medical developer would not see the use and profit a new type of Viagra could generate. Especially as potent as Sophia´s concoction is.
Sophia is using info gained by their own research and from the uses in the Club. This very fast advance of the drug development, no matter how capable Sophia is, is only possible if there is substantial background research happening. It is possible to get breakthroughs in a mini lab/hell´s kitchen, but it is simply fantasy to think it would be quick advance!

While that might be done partly in black labs for the special versions, a lot or research for it will come from normal places. As mentioned before, that does not make Abel and Sophia glowingly white, they have some black stains on them. I think that is something dawning on at least Sophia, how far they have gone to bring down Chuck and Kath.
I estimate once toppling Chuck and Kath is achieved, a new, better Viagra will be announced to be developed by Abel and Sophia´s firm. Maybe with also announcing Sophia replacing retiring Abel. A new Viagra invented by her would nicely cement her position as new CEO.

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[ename144]

Renaming the MC is one of the most important feature of an AVN, so I lean more on the 99% are renaming them. Some people prefer saying the default name instead of MC in discussions though, even if they renamed.

I almost never use the default name in an AVN, though that's more reflexive habit than it is a need for a specific name. I usually just make up a name that seems appropriate based on what I know starting the game. But renaming the MC becomes very handy if I like the game enough to keep multiple save paths, since that helps keep them separate; in that case, I usually make up a name appropriate to whatever the path is aiming for.

After the last throuple experience Edwin had with Ian, that nearly crippled their friendship after but one week, i'm sure the second time will be a charm. Something something insanity.

I prefer to think of it as degree of difficulty. I'm an elite player, I can pull it off!

I think this is purely fan fiction, sorry Turret Abel and Sophia are testing a rape drug or whatever you want to call it on living humans. Whatever they doing on the basement of the club could be pretty nefarious and worse than anything Chuck or August ever done in the club, maybe not Kathleen hehe.
Your love for Sophia is great, I like her too, but she looks brainwashed on the last update and maybe she's not evil but Abel for sure is. Well at least that's how I saw things there, I might be completely wrong too

Strictly speaking, Abel has made clear in the cut scenes that his project can be much more than a rape drug. Of course, the fact that he's perfectly happy to let it be used as a rape drug does sour me on whatever "greater good" he's actually aiming for.

Jokes aside, the fact that a threesome with Mina and Felicia can only happen if you cross the line seems more like a "fuckboy" route, rather than an attempt to create some kind of serious relationship. And starting a serious relationship as a rebound guy isn't the best idea, although it would be complicated for a porn game. Who knows, maybe TD will surprise us here too, because if it doesn't have any consequences in the end, waiting for Mina and Ian to "officially" break up will be pointless. You'll lose scenes with Mina, the opportunity for a threesome with Felicia or her gaining a self-confidence point and maybe something else.

Most important of all, you lose the opportunity for Mina gloat if she successfully seduces the MC after he rejected Felicia! It's the ultimate sacrifice!

 

[Shanni]

Does anyone know the advantages of Hana's GF path? Looks pretty much like a solo path for me that will probably blow up in my face if I still keep chasing all the other girls, although I don't know if it's possible to add Mina to the mix. All the girls are great and I'm looking for some harem ending and have as much fun with the girls as possible.

 

[Discrepancy]

Does anyone know the advantages of Hana's GF path? Looks pretty much like a solo path for me that will probably blow up in my face if I still keep chasing all the other girls, although I don't know if it's possible to add Mina to the mix. All the girls are great and I'm looking for some harem ending and have as much fun with the girls as possible.

Harem ending chances are minimum to not say zero
If you want to have fun with the other girls especially Mina you should go fuck buddies with Hana.

 

[lustforsex]

Harem ending chances are minimum to not say zero
If you want to have fun with the other girls especially Mina you should go fuck buddies with Hana.

Looks like August is going to give someone the most "interesting" harem ending

 

[pinuz1]

Looks like August is going to give someone the most "interesting" harem ending

August will make sure each girl ends up with 1 piece of Edwin

Now just thinking about it, Edwin is truly retarded, imagine cheating on the daughter of a fucking pimp, he should be more afraid of that than whatever happened to Darius.

 

[bonerland]

Looks like August is going to give someone the most "interesting" harem ending

“You wanted to sleep around, now you can sleep with the fishes.”

 

[BlenderGuy]

Haven't played this since the first release, how's it progressing (without spoliers), is it still one of the best VN's?

 

[Meiri]

Haven't played this since the first release, how's it progressing (without spoliers), is it still one of the best VN's?

I think it has only improved since then, if you remember liking the first release you can't go wrong with this.

 

[Simpgor]

But renaming the MC becomes very handy if I like the game enough to keep multiple save paths, since that helps keep them separate; in that case, I usually make up a name appropriate to whatever the path is aiming for.

turns out having the name "Hana Gf path" was some real nominative determinism

 

[Turret]

Does anyone know the advantages of Hana's GF path? Looks pretty much like a solo path for me that will probably blow up in my face if I still keep chasing all the other girls, although I don't know if it's possible to add Mina to the mix. All the girls are great and I'm looking for some harem ending and have as much fun with the girls as possible.

Hi!
The girlfriend path opens up special scenes not available otherwise. You can still cheat on Hana, but that I would say is very unwise, considering her Dad is something of the "Godfather" of Morehead Hills.
If you want to be with girls outside the Club (inside PC Hana and Edwin have an understanding) you should choose to be Friends with benefits.
As for a harem ending, the chances for this are close to zero. You can be friendly with most girls in the game, but there will come a time where you have to choose your special sweetheart. Singular.

 

[Ummmh]

Haven't played this since the first release, how's it progressing (without spoliers), is it still one of the best VN's?

IMO, it is the BEST game. Tho I find Desert Stalker is generally more fun, PC hits with such a gut punch of major emotions, with characters you find both attractive and that you care about, that it is a largely tragic relationship train wreck you just can't look away from (in a good way).

IMO, PC is kind of like watching Arcane (the League of Legends show): you both need and DREAD to tune back in and, in both, the letter "H" in its name stands for "happiness" (hint: there isn't an H to be found)..

 

[Kameri]

But renaming the MC becomes very handy if I like the game enough to keep multiple save paths, since that helps keep them separate; in that case, I usually make up a name appropriate to whatever the path is aiming for.

Ah yes Sexaddictasshole for pissing on Vero and Toothlesschump for declining sex