Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[indigis]

I mean I think it's perfectly fine for some of the NTR scenes to have "better" angles because such little of the game is dedicated to NTR. To keep both sides happy (NTR lovers & Vanilla lovers), it seems that although the quantity for NTR scenes is very low, their quality can be just as good if not slightly better in some instances.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Especially since some of the poses and angles in the NTR encounters are "better" (in quotes since that's my opinion).

I think I understand what you're saying here, and you might have a legitimate point. Instead of me trying to argue, here's an idea: the NTR scenes may intentionally "show off the girls better" to fully sell their objectification; while the vanilla scenes are usually more about connecting emotionally as well as physically, and too many blatant porn poses/angles might undermine these scenes. I don't know, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Jraco2005]

Incredible. How can it be that there are people who supposedly "hate NTR" but then complain that the scenes are better. Does this mean that even though you had the option to disable NTR, you still left it enabled? They look like idiots


And I agree with the other guy, NTR's scenes have to be better (since there are a lot less of them).

 

[MorganFreemansToe]

Just the positions, angles and poses on SOME of the NTR scenes. My hate for NTR has nothing to do with those, which is why I said I would've much preferred if they featured the MC instead. I can appreciate that my neighbor's house looks great while at the same time hating my neighbor's guts.

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

The real question is why do you have NTR enabled if you hate it? And also there's not even that many NTR scenes per update in this game so not sure what you're talking about with the time and effort thing.

 

[DD69-1]

Just to highlight a point, sterling when he first banged Ophelia [pussy fuck] It was a normal event in CHP 11, look at the quality of that scene and look at time when Hunter got the NTR ending with Ophelia in CHP 10, when Sterling turned and was shot with something, compare both the scenes and tell me which is better... bringing quantity here makes no sense, look at the quality & length of both the scenes compared..

Edit: I was a patreon supporter, but Chp. 11, seeing how Sterling's scenes are done vs. Hunter's, I dropped support. An argument which says, why have NTR on when you're the vanilla path, it's because of scene comparison and nothing else, that's what everyone is saying... The data is shown NTR scene count wise but it doesn't show the quality and length of the scene.. Herein, Quality maybe subjective but length of the scene can be measured by renders and animations... The above example which I shared for Ophelia first pussy fuck for Hunter vs Sterling can be considered for Quality... Not saying to make the NTR scenes bad, just asking the vanilla scenes to be of the same quality

 

[dartred]

Just to highlight a point, sterling when he first banged Ophelia [pussy fuck] It was a normal event in CHP 11, look at the quality of that scene and look at time when Hunter got the NTR ending with Ophelia in CHP 10, when Sterling turned and was shot with something, compare both the scenes and tell me which is better... bringing quantity here makes no sense, look at the quality & length of both the scenes compared..

Edit: I was a patreon supporter, but Chp. 11, seeing how Sterling's scenes are done vs. Hunter's, I dropped support. An argument which says, why have NTR on when you're the vanilla path, it's because of scene comparison and nothing else, that's what everyone is saying... The data is shown NTR scene count wise but it doesn't show the quality and length of the scene.. Herein, Quality maybe subjective but length of the scene can be measured by renders and animations... The above example which I shared for Ophelia first pussy fuck for Hunter vs Sterling can be considered for Quality... Not saying to make the NTR scenes bad, just asking the vanilla scenes to be of the same quality

On that same argument, NTR scenes should not be as long as a Vanilla scene. Are you saying Hunters 1 scene per update should be the length of one of Sterling's scenes? I get a person who hates NTR will say yes, but let's be fair here. It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene.

To the last sentence. We also can't do the reverse. We can't make each Sterling scene as long as a Hunter scene. Who knows how much that would add to development time. I would suggest maybe a middle ground, where 1 or 2 scenes of Sterling could be longer, but then you'd have an argument of vanilla fans debating which girl deserves that extended scene.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

How many times has Hunter/Sterling fucked one of the girls in the ass?

 

[dartred]

How many times has Hunter/Sterling fucked one of the girls in the ass?

Only once. When he fucked Brenna with Drew.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Only once. When he fucked Brenna with Drew.

Damn I thought there was more anal with the girls in the game with Hunter or Sterling

 

[dartred]

You asked for Hunter. There IS a lot more with Sterling. He's done anal with Ophelia, Brenna and Cath.

 

[Stil996]

Where are we on the Dev cycle? is it "chapter 12" next or another "What if?"

 

[dartred]

Where are we on the Dev cycle? is it "chapter 12" next or another "What if?"

He hasn't done what ifs in months. The next thing he's releasing is the main update. Dream scenes are paused near releases so he can focus on the last hurdle.

 

[Stil996]

He hasn't done what ifs in months. The next thing he's releasing is the main update. Dream scenes are paused near releases so he can focus on the last hurdle.

that's a shame, I think I prefer the "What Ifs"... has he stopped completely or just taking a break from them?

 

[DD69-1]

On that same argument, NTR scenes should not be as long as a Vanilla scene. Are you saying Hunters 1 scene per update should be the length of one of Sterling's scenes? I get a person who hates NTR will say yes, but let's be fair here. It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene.

I'm just saying about quality, how you clearly avoided my take on Sterling vs Hunter's first time pussy fucking Ophelia, can be taken into account, again if you're talking about fair, you shouldn't collate data points showing how many scenes the NTR has v/s vanilla, you should have data in regarding render and animation count, which will show the real picture.

To the last sentence. We also can't do the reverse. We can't make each Sterling scene as long as a Hunter scene. Who knows how much that would add to development time. I would suggest maybe a middle ground, where 1 or 2 scenes of Sterling could be longer, but then you'd have an argument of vanilla fans debating which girl deserves that extended scene.

Thank you acknowledging here, that Hunter's scenes are longer in a way than Sterling's. It's obvious who gets the extended scene in vanilla case, it's Ophelia, since she was banged recently by Sterling, to balance the sex count out with other women in the house. Again, it's just my perspective here, since I see that you've also posted all your What-If/dream scenes story tells on Ophelia, since she is a main MILF and is hot.

 

[dartred]

I'm just saying about quality, how you clearly avoided my take on Sterling vs Hunter's first time pussy fucking Ophelia, can be taken into account, again if you're talking about fair, you shouldn't collate data points showing how many scenes the NTR has v/s vanilla, you should have data in regarding render and animation count, which will show the real picture.


Thank you acknowledging here, that Hunter's scenes are longer in a way than Sterling's. It's obvious who gets the extended scene in vanilla case, it's Ophelia, since she was banged recently by Sterling, to balance the sex count out with other women in the house. Again, it's just my perspective here, since I see that you've also posted all your What-If/dream scenes story tells on Ophelia, since she is a main MILF and is hot.

How am i avoiding talking about that exact topic when just 1 page back i acknowledged which one i thought was better? In case you don't want to click, IMO it was Sterling whose scene i enjoyed more and that's coming from a guy who likes NTR https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11687107

This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are subjective. Length doesn't = better.

there's that goalpost movement BIG time. First was an argument that it was an NTR game / NTR was the focus. So i made a list of all the erotic scenes and vanilla had WAY more scenes overall.

then how many times there was vanilla vs NTR penetration and NTR was only 18% of the penetration.

Now you want me to count how many animations there are in vanilla vs NTR? Once i prove that vanilla has more animations then NTR, what's next? How many times Sterling or Hunter verbally mentioned they wanted to fuck someone?

and you already started proving my point. You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you.

 

[DD69-1]

How am i avoiding talking about that exact topic when just 1 page back i acknowledged which one i thought was better? In case you don't want to click, IMO it was Sterling whose scene i enjoyed more and that's coming from a guy who likes NTR https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11687107

This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are objective. Length doesn't = better.

there's that goalpost movement BIG time. First was an argument that it was an NTR game / NTR was the focus. So i made a list of all the erotic scenes and vanilla had WAY more scenes overall.

then how many times there was vanilla vs NTR penetration and NTR was only 18% of the penetration.

Now you want me to count how many animations there are in vanilla vs NTR? Once i prove that vanilla has more animations then NTR, what's next? How many times Sterling or Hunter verbally mentioned they wanted to fuck someone?

and you already started proving my point. You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you.

You're saying: "You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you." which I completely agree on and others can their choices, I'm not forcing them to like what I like.

I saw your message in the previous page for sure, I disagree with that, again it comes down to choices.. Again when you say this statement, "
This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are objective. Length doesn't = better." You're contradicting yourself when you replied to my earlier messages by saying this " It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene. "

Again not to call you out... when you said NTR is just 10% or less. I agree with you on that front sure, since you graciously provided the data... Again if you would've read my argument it stated about quantity of renders/animations of Vanilla vs NTR.. I'm saying that's not 10% or less. I'm just asking simple questions, you're disagreeing because you simply can.

Also when you say this: "It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene. " I want to point out that vanilla fans wait for the whole year too, we don't have what-if/dream scenes of vanilla version winning, it's always NTR.. I know what if/dream scenes are made as thanks to patreons but seeing who wins most of them you shouldn't say that you almost wait a year.. because even if whatifs/dream scenes are skipped for 1-2 months, you will at least have 4-5 whatifs/dream scenes till development is completed for main game.

Just don't defend something head-on. that's all I ask. Hopefully, WWG reads this message and this one: https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11689631

 

[dartred]

I just want to point out that i wrote objective in that last statement on accident. I meant subjective like i said in every other post.

Anyways, here's your animations count.

There are 902 total animations in PV


There are a total of 186 NTR animations (including cerberus). I also want to point out NTR only takes up 258MB of a total of 1.62GB of space for total animations. That's almost 1.3+GB of vanilla animations


total runtime of every animation in the game is 57 and a half minutes


NTR animation runtime is 9 and half minutes


This means NTR animations is only 16.5% of the total runtime of all the animations in the game.

I just don't know how it can be anymore clear. NTR scene are individually longer sure, but because they have too. They are such a low count overall, that when they appear they need to be more impactful.

 

[Satou Pendragon]

Now let's see what's the next thing they are gonna complain about gonna be

 

[Liam the Handyman]

16.5%! holy sheet thats wayyyy too much

 

[Bob Jewl]

I'll never understand the thought process of supporting a game that you feel is not putting full effort towards the content you prefer and proceed to complain about it for multiple pages on how WWG should make the game they want instead of his own.
If it bothers them to that extent then you're better off to follow another game without any NTR in it, there's plenty on this site.