Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Grey Wolf 73]

Well there was many possibilities that I thought about that would allow The developper to explore different fetish. What? Why? games, feel free to take these ideas for yourself if you wish so:

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Scenario #1: This site and this game don't need yet another game that fits this tired meme.
i.e.: Tyrone cucks the 'inferior' white peepo with 'muh BBC'...
• And how exactly do you NTR someone away 'with professionalism'? Will Tyrone be wearing a tie while banging everyone?
• PLENTY of other games on this site that play out this fantasy. They're on the 'Lateest Update' menu all the time because they get abandoned and constantly remade.

I want to know what Hunter and Drew where doing for the last 15 years. Am I correct that one of them said they fucked plenty of girls before?

Yea, a short scene or two showing them moving into a town, targeting a woman, and how they worked together(or seperately) to remove any men from their path before conquoring their target. Then skipping town and moving on.
That could be fun.

 

[panzermaster]

Scenario #1: This site and this game don't need yet another game that fits this tired meme.
i.e.: Tyrone cucks the 'inferior' white peepo with 'muh BBC'...
• And how exactly do you NTR someone away 'with professionalism'? Will Tyrone be wearing a tie while banging everyone?
• PLENTY of other games on this site that play out this fantasy. They're on the 'Lateest Update' menu all the time because they get abandoned and constantly remade.

Wow Calm down man, this was just a suggestion, it was not my only one. Just an opportunity for What? Why? games to explore different fetish.

That is pretty much what the What if? are for. Normally this game is not a fully Futa focused game. Sure, it's there to a smaller degrees but not the main focus. but that's why What if 8 focuses on that topic where Ophelia gets turned into a sexual predator. These chapters are there to explore different possibilities. Stories That cannot happen in the main game, it's the opportunity to go wild and crazy.

Also since when the facts that this idea or fetish exist in other games is a problem? I mean the story of the guy who gets a harem with the female member of his family is VERY common on this site, Power vacuum is good not because its super original (minus the elaborated NTR bad ending) but because it's that well made. Quality always matter more than originality

My second suggestion The school harem settings is also very popular on this site and you don't seem to have problem with it.

Perhaps we should tell every developper that is making a classical adult game about guy entering college that we don't need "yet another" young students who bangs his own mothers and busty teachers. I mean this is such a tired meme of a young guy banging big breasted milf...

 

[Thegoblinlayer]

Wow Calm down man, this was just a suggestion, it was not my only one. Just an opportunity for What? Why? games to explore different fetish.

Yeah dude got kinda aggressive when all you did was answer a discussion question. I don’t see the so called all the time games he’s talking about but if they do constantly get abandoned, nothing wrong with you wanting a complete experience even if it’s not my cup of tea.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What if Sterling at one point is at the top of his power, he has "completed" his harem and is now the king... only to wake up and realise that this was all a dream. He wakes up the day before he meets his family and realise that his penis is not big by any means and he is actually quite small between his legs. He only imagined all of this adventure since the beginning...

Then he goes to look for his family and he is relieved that Hunter has been dead for years so is not a threat... But then something is announced on nationnal television. A new national program has been launched to fight racism and biggotry in America, any white families are required to interact with black people and professional agents will be sent to white neighboorhood to "familiarise" them.

Of course no need for gangbang and it would probably be easier for the developper if there was a single agent. But that specific black agent (PLZ don't have him be a vulgar gangbangers) would NTR the whole family away from Sterling with profesionalism. There is plenty of opportunities for humor about Laws, Agency, Secret conspiracy and also bring a new fetish to the game : interracial. Which was discussed a few times by Ophelia and Sterling in earlier chapter.

If I recall correctly, WWG has expressed dislike for the "it was all a dream" trope because it's lazy writing. Even though this is a What If suggestion I think that would still apply. The What Ifs have all basically been branches off of points in the main story, without knowledge of later events from the primary timeline. My point is that if this idea were to be used, the "dream" aspect would probably be cut from it.

As for the core of your idea, it sounds to me like "cuckolding as reparations", which is so ridiculous on its face that it might work in a humorous way. On the other hand, the Venn diagram of people with these fetishes might be fairly small, so it's probably not a viable option to suggest if/when WWG resumes making What Ifs.

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What if the story didn't take place inside a household, but in a school? What I mean by that is a reimagination of the characters where Sterling is a student in a school and instead of being a nice guy, he had full intention of making the entire school subversient to him and make their belly grows with his kids.

- Ophelia would be the strict principal that is secretly a pervert and dreams of being dominated,
- Brenna would be the alpha bitch cheerleader that needs a lesson,
- Mallory and Aliza and any other milfs would be teachers
- Catherine and Amber would be the friendly students
- The indian nurse would be the school nurse, etc.

I think you get the points. Personally I would see this one as a TOTALLY NON NTR What if?, go full harem without bothering with a threat of someone stealing the girls.

Of course that What if? would require more work as it would needs a quick reintroduction for every character but it's doable if the developper to put the time and ressources in it. And also allow him to explore a different fetish that he has not touched yet, The school setting.

This idea is sort of fun, but I think it would be better as a wallpaper or one of the new "dream scenes".

Personally, my enjoyment of the characters comes not only from how they look, but also their personalities and story arcs. If you undo all of the events and experiences we've seen the characters go through and place them into a different context, you dilute their concepts and they essentially become different characters, in which case you might as well make an entirely new game with new characters.

Bad What ifs: Peyton claims Tiff and Flora; Lucia is drawn to Drew at first sight; Hunter's full gym course for Catherine and Aliza; Drew helps transform Sterling into Starling and claims her; Starling is bred by Kevin.

Some interesting ideas there, if a little vague. Just a couple of nitpicks: Peyton doesn't have a dick and is not sexually interested in women; Starling doesn't have female reproductive organs and so cannot be "bred" by Kevin.

 

[panzermaster]

If I recall correctly, WWG has expressed dislike for the "it was all a dream" trope because it's lazy writing. Even though this is a What If suggestion I think that would still apply. The What Ifs have all basically been branches off of points in the main story, without knowledge of later events from the primary timeline. My point is that if this idea were to be used, the "dream" aspect would probably be cut from it.

As for the core of your idea, it sounds to me like "cuckolding as reparations", which is so ridiculous on its face that it might work in a humorous way. On the other hand, the Venn diagram of people with these fetishes might be fairly small, so it's probably not a viable option to suggest if/when WWG resumes making What Ifs.

Well the dream a part is not a necessity, it was more an attempt at removing hunter from the picture in a "believable" way because it would make thing significantly more complicated with him being present in the house. It's also a way to give a hope to Sterling only to take it back immediatly after. A bit like the ophelia scene bad ending of chapter 11, where Sterling remembers himself with his mother only for the game to come back to the nightmarish reality of Hunter having taken away his mother.

Of course there are MANY other ways for Sterling to lose his manhood and for hunter to no longer be there. So the new "challenger" can be the focus. The dream is just one possibility among the many.

Now I don't know the percentage but it's a way to obtain variety by having different fetish, I am not sure about the viability but that's how polls can help us know more about this. It can easily be one suggestion and sees if the Patreon supporters are interested

 

[panzermaster]

This idea is sort of fun, but I think it would be better as a wallpaper or one of the new "dream scenes".

Personally, my enjoyment of the characters comes not only from how they look, but also their personalities and story arcs. If you undo all of the events and experiences we've seen the characters go through and place them into a different context, you dilute their concepts and they essentially become different characters, in which case you might as well make an entirely new game with new characters.

I can see why it might not be your thing. It was an attempt at exploring a new fetish while also keeping the characters that we know and love while also remaining simple. But I can see how this could be a bit dissapointing if we undo everything.

Let's go for something else then :

What if Sterling decide to expand his harem beyond his circle and family after the end?​

It's an hypothetic epilogue. Sterling after becoming the king of his harem decides to "expand" his list of conquest infiltrating a prestigious university. He makes sure that :

- Ophelia becomes the strict principal that forbids any sex between students or teacher except when Sterling is involved

- Brenna becomes the leader of the cheerleader that acts like an absolute tease to other male student but never give them anything other than allowing them to look at her.

- Catherine and Amber are the cute nice student at the head of school clubs that are forbidden treasure to their male members,

- Aliza and Mallory becomes the unreachable milf teachers for their horny male student

- The indian nurse becomes the school nurse making sure that Ophelia rules are respected, etc.

With his agents in every part of the school, he get to slowly have complete control while taking away from the other guys the most beautiful girl of the school and keeping them only for himself.

 

[Nessiah]

Is the what-if extra chapter the only real futa content in the game as of right now? And if that is the case is there potential for more of that kind of stuff in future? Since I'm only here for the futa tag.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Is the what-if extra chapter the only real futa content in the game as of right now? And if that is the case is there potential for more of that kind of stuff in future? Since I'm only here for the futa tag.

Yeah only one futa what if. I am hoping for more tho especially featuring Drew

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What if Sterling decide to expand his harem beyond his circle and family after the end?

It's an hypothetic epilogue. Sterling after becoming the king of his harem decides to "expand" his list of conquest infiltrating a prestigious university. He makes sure that :

- Ophelia becomes the strict principal that forbids any sex between students or teacher except when Sterling is involved

- Brenna becomes the leader of the cheerleader that acts like an absolute tease to other male student but never give them anything other than allowing them to look at her.

- Catherine and Amber are the cute nice student at the head of school clubs that are forbidden treasure to their male members,

- Aliza and Mallory becomes the unreachable milf teachers for their horny male student

- The indian nurse becomes the school nurse making sure that Ophelia rules are respected, etc.

With his agents in every part of the school, he get to slowly have complete control while taking away from the other guys the most beautiful girl of the school and keeping them only for himself.

I like where you're going with this but I think it needs adjustments to be more plausible, because as everybody knows: verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games!

While Ophelia is obviously a dominant personality in the household and that would correlate to being an authority figure like a principal, she doesn't have the necessary education or credentials for such a job. The obvious path is for Ophelia to enroll in college alongside Sterling, which sets her up for growth and potential romantic conflict.

Brenna is currently in college (I think?), so having her as a peer/upperclassman to Ophelia and Sterling could be an interesting dynamic, very much a role-reversal compared to their household situation.

Aliza is already a high school teacher, but perhaps she could switch to teaching college, or even as an additional job to her current one?

I don't think we know what Mallory's professional background is (if any?). With how she presents herself as polished and refined, I could maybe see her in the principal job.

Also, a college setting might be inconsistent with the theme of this game. The titular "power vacuum" comes from the loss of the male head-of-household, with Sterling and Hunter competing to become the new one. Presumably in college there would be too many males i.e. too many threats for Sterling to thwart? Unless it was an all-girls school, in which case you'd need to contrive some reason for Sterling to be there?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Is the what-if extra chapter the only real futa content in the game as of right now? And if that is the case is there potential for more of that kind of stuff in future? Since I'm only here for the futa tag.

Yeah only one futa what if. I am hoping for more tho especially featuring Drew

Yes, there's only one What If featuring futa, but also several scenes involving a futa character in the later chapters of the main game. They're great scenes, but only a small percentage of the game so if you're looking for futa-focused content, this game might not be for you.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Yes, there's only one What If featuring futa, but also several scenes involving a futa character in the later chapters of the main game. They're great scenes, but only a small percentage of the game so if you're looking for futa-focused content, this game might not be for you.

Nah I love the game

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Nah I love the game

Not you, silly, Nessiah who asked the question!

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Not you, silly, Nessiah who asked the question!

Aw ryt lol

 

[panzermaster]

I like where you're going with this but I think it needs adjustments to be more plausible, because as everybody knows: verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games!

While Ophelia is obviously a dominant personality in the household and that would correlate to being an authority figure like a principal, she doesn't have the necessary education or credentials for such a job. The obvious path is for Ophelia to enroll in college alongside Sterling, which sets her up for growth and potential romantic conflict.

Brenna is currently in college (I think?), so having her as a peer/upperclassman to Ophelia and Sterling could be an interesting dynamic, very much a role-reversal compared to their household situation.

Aliza is already a high school teacher, but perhaps she could switch to teaching college, or even as an additional job to her current one?

I don't think we know what Mallory's professional background is (if any?). With how she presents herself as polished and refined, I could maybe see her in the principal job.

Also, a college setting might be inconsistent with the theme of this game. The titular "power vacuum" comes from the loss of the male head-of-household, with Sterling and Hunter competing to become the new one. Presumably in college there would be too many males i.e. too many threats for Sterling to thwart? Unless it was an all-girls school, in which case you'd need to contrive some reason for Sterling to be there?

Well I disagree on that and I would even say (and PLZ don't take this personnal) you're becoming a bit too picky and quite difficult.

The pillz that make Ophelia grow a Penis because she was pregnant with a boy and the pills made these 2 individual combines into one. And whenever she cum inside a woman her seed acts nearly like a mind control device that make any woman subversient to her immediatly... None of that is plausible because this is clearly going into science fiction territory which the main game isn't.

And that is precisely the point of a What if? It is to no longer be bound by the rules that a real chapter needs to, to not be bothered to follow what happened before. It is to go wild and completely crazy.

But if you want an easy reason for Ophelia to become principal, just make it clear that Sterling became a multi billionaire (how he got the money does not matter) and he has the ressources to put her in charge of that college or unniversity. Same thing for Mallory becoming a teacher of whatever would fit her more.

Also you forget that this an EPILOGUE, like it is something that happens AFTER Sterling is at the top of his game and there is no longer any threats to him. Just like What if? chapter 3 where Sterling does not have any ennemies in sight and can just take any new women he wants. No need for a "threat" or a rival in that specific what if?.

The power vacuum in this case is that there isn't any king in that College and Sterling is about to fill that Vacuum from his position of power.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Well I disagree on that and I would even say (and PLZ don't take this personnal) you're becoming a bit too picky and quite difficult.

Fair enough, and no offense taken. I thought my sarcasm would've been obvious from my absurd statement "verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games" and the tongue emoji, but no worries buddy.

I like Power Vacuum because it straddles a line between grounded and far-fetched; I can suspend my disbelief to a point but if there are too many leaps-of-logic then I lose immersion. Perhaps I do get over-analytical but I'm not trying to dictate anyone's fantasy, I apologize if I came across that way.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

How many of the what if's did the gils get pregnant?
Which girls and by who?

 

[panzermaster]

Fair enough, and no offense taken. I thought my sarcasm would've been obvious from my absurd statement "verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games" and the tongue emoji, but no worries buddy.

I like Power Vacuum because it straddles a line between grounded and far-fetched; I can suspend my disbelief to a point but if there are too many leaps-of-logic then I lose immersion. Perhaps I do get over-analytical but I'm not trying to dictate anyone's fantasy, I apologize if I came across that way.

No offense taken, But I would only say that I totally understand your point when it comes to the main game or main chapter...

But when it goes what if?, I am not exactly sure how a story where a woman after ingesting a pill obtains the genital of a man. And she gets it because she was pregnant with a boy and the pills made the 2 human being combine together... And now her penis acts like a nearly litteral mind controler that make any women fall in love with her and subversient to her the moment she releases her seed inside their womb... This is clearly science fiction

How apparently this is grounded and not too far fetched... BUT Ophelia becoming principal and mallory becoming a teacher are apparently too many leaps in logic?...

My point is not to make you uncomfortable I am just very curious.

 

[SuddenReal]

How apparently this is grounded and not too far fetched... BUT Ophelia becoming principal and mallory becoming a teacher are apparently too many leaps in logic?...

Okay, let me chime in for a second. First of all, let me get a water sprayer and say "No! Bad Panzermaster!", not because your idea is bad, but because it's too much. What ifs aren't full games, they're not even games technically. It's just a couple of scenes. What you're describing (twice) is an entire new game, with new goals and new stories.

Now we have that out of the way, let me put down the water sprayer and tell you why your idea is bad. What ifs come from a simple premise, how far fetched it may seem. It has a simple explanation. It can be summarized in a single sentence. It's simply "what if I went left instead of right". What you're describing is something entirely new, just with the same characters. It's not a what if, it's a re-imagining, a complete ret-con of the established story. What you're describing isn't "what if there suddenly was a zombie apocalypse" but "what if the setting was a zombie apocalypse". One happens during the story, the other is already happening as the story starts. See the difference?

So, basically, while your ideas aren't bad, it's just not for this concept. As a game, I could see it work. As a stand alone, it's just too much and too jarring from the original premise.

 

[Grey Wolf 73]

Okay, let me chime in for a second. First of all, let me get a water sprayer and say "No! Bad Panzermaster!", not because your idea is bad, but because it's too much. What ifs aren't full games, they're not even games technically. It's just a couple of scenes. What you're describing (twice) is an entire new game, with new goals and new stories.

Now we have that out of the way, let me put down the water sprayer and tell you why your idea is bad. What ifs come from a simple premise, how far fetched it may seem. It has a simple explanation. It can be summarized in a single sentence. It's simply "what if I went left instead of right". What you're describing is something entirely new, just with the same characters. It's not a what if, it's a re-imagining, a complete ret-con of the established story. What you're describing isn't "what if there suddenly was a zombie apocalypse" but "what if the setting was a zombie apocalypse". One happens during the story, the other is already happening as the story starts. See the difference?

So, basically, while your ideas aren't bad, it's just not for this concept. As a game, I could see it work. As a stand alone, it's just too much and too jarring from the original premise.

I was in the middle of trying to explain, using world-building and other mechanics, the exact same thing you just did.
And your version was far better(and easier to read) than mine. Thank you.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

This is clearly science fiction

There was an attempt to explain it with CRISPR and whatnot, so it was a bit more plausible than say, a magical curse or something, but you make a fair point that it was very much sci-fi.