Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Skode]

Lot of great points, some will do nothing but white knight or mental gymnastics no matter what but you hit the nail on the head. It isn't hard to come up with scenarios that are different and unique, with them getting more elaborate hopefully the scenarios can actually be interesting. 6 could have been pretty hot had it not been ugly bastard, if that same scenario happened with drew or sterling and/or a different female as well it could have been unique, but it was more or less something that has been seen in the main game bad ends already.

Indeed and ive been subjected to that already lol. With Dartred with i assume a straight face saying "how many chubby chasers are pledges" because i suggest what if Azela was still fat... from the same pledgers who voted an obsese creepy man getting a threesome - honesty i love the game as much for the comedy as much else so these kind if ideas could give us some real funny moments but then they just want to get off on seeing a wrinkly old ballsack bang Brenna so of course there is irony in calling anyone the "minority" whilst being the vocal fans of the Ugly Bastard kink. Its an exclusive club for high backers but you would think same results would come had it been say an open for all vote for ideas and winning scenario... still what would a "minority cryer" like myself know haha

 

[E_nigma]

Indeed and ive been subjected to that already lol. With Dartred with i assume a straight face saying "how many chubby chasers are pledges" because i suggest what if Azela was still fat... from the same pledgers who voted an obsese creepy man getting a threesome - honesty i love the game as much for the comedy as much else so these kind if ideas could give us some real funny moments but then they just want to get off on seeing a wrinkly old ballsack bang Brenna so of course there is irony in calling anyone the "minority" whilst being the vocal fans of the Ugly Bastard kink. Its an exclusive club for high backers but you would think same results would come had it been say an open for all vote for ideas and winning scenario... still what would a "minority cryer" like myself know haha

And thats why I've said a few times if voting was opened up, I don't think ntr/hunter would be nearly as prevalent as it has ended up being in what ifs and they would probably have had more variety. It's (part of) why there was a spat of 1 and 2 star reviews cause 5 in a row and it made people think it was the whole point of the game (it doesn't matter if it was non-canon or completely separated from the main game. Appearances matter.). I didn't have as much of a problem with it early on cause it was like, very clearly a bad end and meant to be funny, but they have become pretty one note and frankly scared me off from becoming a backer. I still intend on supporting but I'd be lying if I said I was without apprehensions . There is a lot of games I've wanted to support but have been given plenty reason not to, obv I don't want to support things I don't like or even worse, hate. That said there is a lot to love here, hopefully it keeps getting better.

(and to answer the obvious question of why someone who hates ntr would stick around for a game with it, simply put. Amazons, few games have them+ not being femdom + high production value)

 

[dartred]

Listen you absolute dolt - i pledged for an entire year. Not the 20 dollar tier certainly but dont just assume im some fucking non pledging minority so you can try and high horse and condescend as i some salty pirate. You can get prissy all you damned want that the What Ifs were no were near as well received as you would have liked (and you advocated some of them so of course that would hurt you deep that there were not overty heralded when released to public domain like her)

first, learn periods. You are making it hard to quote you when you don't know how to use periods.

Here comes the personal attacks when cornered in an argument.

You are not in the tier THAT MATTERS. You have no say for what ifs or how they should be. What are you talking about the what ifs are not well received? Stop seeing things how you want, not how they really are. They are loved where it matters, on Patreon and the discord. WWG shouldn't care how a bonus is received on a pirating site.

and im not even pretending my ideas were all that amazing - i literally just made them up on the spot (even said as much) as your one who goes to "well lets hear YOUR ideas then" as if they are somehow only of merit or valid if they from the minds of rich simps, my point was ideas are FUCKING EASY to make and they can be UNIQUE! and somehow a character featuring in HALF of all of them isnt somehow over saturation? your logic fails me there completely but then again of course you would defend it.

but you are? You said how effortless it is to create ideas. Now who's being presumptuous? I'm not rich and i have taken ideas from this board and suggested them in place of people if i liked them. If the idea is good, i'll suggest it.

As for being an NTR hater? Why the hell would i back a game for so long if i hated a game where its very premise is a story of a foul NTR antagonist on the prowl for your loved ones? What an absolute dolt just making that assumption but if it helps your feeling of worth as the gatekeeper then by all means knock yourself out and call me an NTR hating minority. In fact see how many posts here ive been against NTR in the game when i see Hunter as an essential presence in the game and one of the funniest too that matter.

Because it's such a minor part and the sex involved can be turned off? You can play this game purely for the vanilla.

As for the fine print ive no idea who exactly is and isn't allowed but given the very first one i played had Lucia and yet you say the only main character available is Brenna (or Eva and Mallory) means it comes across as BS for a bloody start - ive also seen the likes of Ophelia, Amber, Azela and Catherine in them.

That what if is my own suggestion, i know all about it. I don't and many others don't consider Lucia a main girl. The people who i and other consider main girl are immediate family members.

 

[Maestro91]

A lot of hotheadedness in this thread from specific people...

Not much of what you're saying is true, which has been repeated to death, ressurected and repeated to death again and again.
You really don't seem to get what paying patrons are saying.

The game is not ntr focused, it is what you'd call Vanilla focused. Why do I say this? Because the game is mostly vanilla sex between the MC and his growing Harem, and scenes with hunter and the women are usually either one or two of each episode.
The ntr scenes that are present, and is tbf what drives the plot by being present in the story with the inclusion of Hunter. This is what compels the MC to act before Hunter can "have a go".

But the thing that is important to remember... THE NTR SCENES ARE OPTIONAL!!! And what I mean by optional is that they are coded to be either shown or not for whoever plays the game.
A switch exist to either turn on or off the ability to make a choice to see either paths -vanilla or ntr- and therefore the ntr scenes are not even canon, they are a possible future that is reversed at the completion of the scene.

I don't care if you're a patron or have been a patron earlier.
If you aren't pledged to the highest tier which now includes the reward of suggesting and voting on what if scenarios then you have no say in what is made or not, the age old logical argument is to pledge to the tier yourself if you want to see change.

For the record, I have made only one suggestion that has ntr in it. That suggestion and all the rest I've made has included some of the main-cast and always my favorite character Penny.
But I don't mind the ntr, it's literally all in good fun, they are cleverly written and often funny and always hot to look at. As is the vanilla scenes.

The only realy thing people on this thread can say about the what ifs is if they like them or not. It's fine if you don't and great if you do. You get them completely free at the expense of the dev.
I don't know what the hell the riddler is on about with the whales and the minority of patrons voting on the "worst" suggestions cause it doesn't make sense.
If the minority voted on something it wouldn't be picked... BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE IN THE MINORITY OF VOTERS!!!

I have sighed on more than one occasion when what I considered to be the most boring suggestion won the what if vote, and I'll probably do so in the future too.
But the thing is... WWG takes the premise and makes it not boring. It honestly blows my mind how each time he has made a bland premise into a small masterpiece of a contained story every time.

Btw, another comment to the riddler: Stop saying "white knighting" all the time when someone challenges your bad takes. You're using it wrong and it makes you seem childish.

As for other bad takers.
You get too wrapped up in your own delusions that you're completely losing sight of the discussion. Whenever someone makes a good counterargument to your bile with logic you continuously ignore it and instead strawpick words and sentences that can be construed as mildly offensive to you personally and start whinging about how we're "hurtful", "offensive" and generally uncouth. Which we genuinely don't mean to be, we're just mostly tired that people come out of the woodworks all the time and parrot untruths and wrong assumptions about the game, what ifs and the development of said game.

Hope you read this and can make sense of it, to whomever it may concern.

Edit: Remember to vote Penny if you find yourself on the patreon page

 

[Fayn Arawn]

All this ad hominem and hyperbole is unproductive.

Don't tell us what you don't want to see, tell us what you do want to see. And then expand on the idea to make it interesting. "What if Sterling and Brenna have sex some more" is pretty weak; "what if Sterling and Brenna have sex on stage at a strip club" is better.

And remember these are What Ifs, so try to think of something that is unlikely to ever happen canonically, otherwise it might be too boring (and therefore won't win). Part of why Hunter kept winning was because we know he doesn't really win in the main game, so it was at least interesting insofar as it was different from the main plot.

Vanilla suggestions are challenging because many are either redundant, inevitable, or uninspired. If you want to see more What Ifs without Hunter, try to think of actually divergent plot-lines instead of simple "off camera" scenarios.

 

[DamnItJohnnyIJust]

just wanna say

ideas are FUCKING EASY to make and they can be UNIQUE

is a huge contradiction, and almost impossibly true

 

[rhcp725]

What If Sterling joined Hunter and shared the family. Corrupting the whole family leading to a family orgy at the end?

 

[Maestro91]

What If Sterling joined Hunter and shared the family. Corrupting the whole family leading to a family orgy at the end?

That is literally the plot of What if 3

 

[john984]

dartred can you share your "WhatIf...?" ideas, would love to read them. (Both, ntr and non-ntr) Thanks!

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What If Sterling joined Hunter and shared the family. Corrupting the whole family leading to a family orgy at the end?

Sharing sounds like is a viable idea because it probably won't happen in canon. I'm curious to see some of the ladies get double teamed during sex. I also understand some people may not want to see that, but I wonder if sharing is seen as better/worse/equal to NTR?

 

[E_nigma]

All this ad hominem and hyperbole is unproductive.

Don't tell us what you don't want to see, tell us what you do want to see. And then expand on the idea to make it interesting. "What if Sterling and Brenna have sex some more" is pretty weak; "what if Sterling and Brenna have sex on stage at a strip club" is better.

And remember these are What Ifs, so try to think of something that is unlikely to ever happen canonically, otherwise it might be too boring (and therefore won't win). Part of why Hunter kept winning was because we know he doesn't really win in the main game, so it was at least interesting insofar as it was different from the main plot.

Vanilla suggestions are challenging because many are either redundant, inevitable, or uninspired. If you want to see more What Ifs without Hunter, try to think of actually divergent plot-lines instead of simple "off camera" scenarios.

What if Lucia wasn't as much of a voyuer as she thought she was? And sterling and her went to engage in a public act and she got ultra embarrassed and sterling turns out to like it, making her engage in lewd sex acts in public. You get exhibitionism, ENF, Some maledom (which im not a fan of but it's different cause sterling usually doesn't take initiative)

What if Hunter wife was alive? Turns out she fled from hunter and his perversions, she's been training for years to exact her revenge on hunter. You could have super femdom, bdsm, possibly strap on vs hunter, maybe some torture. Lots of shit im not fond of but something we'd obvious never see in the main game.

What if Ophelia caught Brenna and sterling doing the webcam stuff? Turns out it awoke something devious in her and she wants in, she engages in a series of increasingly lewd acts on cam and it ends in a threesome

What if Sterling said yes to Drew joining in on the maid? Turns out the woman of his dreams was actually drew and the maid ends up a cuckqueen? Idk what it's called or spelled. Or hell the maids ex boyfriend now girlfriend idk.

What if Sterling started selling those clone-a-willys and the family ended up getting rich and moving out of hunters house?

There's a few

I wonder if sharing is seen as better/worse/equal to NTR?

With a dude? generally it's seen as essentially the same thing.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What if Lucia wasn't as much of a voyuer as she thought she was? And sterling and her went to engage in a public act and she got ultra embarrassed and sterling turns out to like it, making her engage in lewd sex acts in public. You get exhibitionism, ENF, Some maledom (which im not a fan of but it's different cause sterling usually doesn't take initiative)

This could work. Maybe combine it with my off-the-cuff strip club idea earlier: Sterling and Lucia have sex wearing masks in front of an audience at a club, other characters are in the crowd (maybe Ophelia and Aliza having a girls' night out), and right at the climax Sterling takes Lucia's mask off and the embarrassment gives her a mind-breaking orgasm.

What if Hunter wife was alive? Turns out she fled from hunter and his perversions, she's been training for years to exact her revenge on hunter. You could have super femdom, bdsm, possibly strap on vs hunter, maybe some torture. Lots of shit im not fond of but something we'd obvious never see in the main game.

I wonder about the death of Hunter's wife (Annabelle), given that she was relatively young. Maybe there's more story there, maybe there isn't. Seeing Hunter get tortured could be cathartic, but might be a tough sell over sex scenes with women.

What if Ophelia caught Brenna and sterling doing the webcam stuff? Turns out it awoke something devious in her and she wants in, she engages in a series of increasingly lewd acts on cam and it ends in a threesome

Something like this could be coming anyway? But what if... Ophelia and Sterling caved to Kevin's blackmail and starting doing increasingly lewd things on camera, and the suggestions from Kevin also get more and more ridiculous e.g. incorporating food or nerdy role playing?

What if Sterling said yes to Drew joining in on the maid? Turns out the woman of his dreams was actually drew and the maid ends up a cuckqueen? Idk what it's called or spelled. Or hell the maids ex boyfriend now girlfriend idk.

I can easily imagine a three-way with Sterling, Tiff, and Drew. Of those three, only Sterling would likely oppose the idea.

What if Sterling started selling those clone-a-willys and the family ended up getting rich and moving out of hunters house?

So he becomes the poster boy for the product? We might need demonstrations with the girls blindfolded, showing that the clone is as good as the real thing. That'll sell units!

With a dude? generally yes, it's seen as essentially the same thing.

Is it though? The woman isn't being "taken" from the guy. The point is either to maximize the woman's pleasure, or to reduce her to an object for use.

 

[Skode]

just wanna say


is a huge contradiction, and almost impossibly true

And that's the magic of it. Despite the absurd premise in itself that the game courts (its actually not uncommon for a porn game to find yourself fucking ones own family) or even the fact you could argue its the kind of fan service for fan insertion at its premium (a Gary Stu male lead who goes from virgin to buff magnetic mega dicked hulk of a stud who gets ALL the girls however unlikely it should be) no one could have predicted half of WWG has done with the events of the story and credit where due as it's noted by others - he has taken tepid suggestions and worked wonders with them. It wasnt the same one who tried to shit all over my hastily constructed ones but the fact they not only were hastily constructed but indeed also different from what we've seem so far in the game (and unlikely to do so, hence the what if and not PV Wishlist material) then i can only imagine what WWG can do with some of the more far out ones and with fresher cast members (wasn't it the last one where 2/3 of the ideas upon which could be voted were again NTR and again Brenna helmed? - despite having far more options by that stage?).

We will see where the What If's go. Its not like anyone isn't aware of their reception around here by Patrons funding them or WWG himself developing them (and he has shared his take too somewhat). All i can say is the Chapter release in itself had a much praised reception for the most part and it was good the place was on a positive beat again but i cant say thats the case with What If's but it would sure be nice if they were (despite not being the target audience, that's an undisputed minority of players heralding them - hell a minority of patrons never mind players). Less of them per annum is a good call all in all.

Still people will create their own narrative to defend what they like (Hunter doesnt win in the canon story so we should get more hunter is perfect example... we get loads of non canon hunter sex already, its not a unique what if scenario if we could quite rightly have expected seeing it in the main game already) whilst requesting the ideas be something that you wouldnt see in the main game with the same breath???

Honestly i would say the Lucia one fit more for NTR sentimentalists and it was easily one of the better ones - Lucia going that far off the cliff with strangers so rapidly would be a break from character (look how long its taken Sterling to progress with her sexually and is still trying to breach the barriers she erects around her) and the antagonists were never gonna get a NTR scene in game as that seems exclusive to family predators Hunter and Drew. Maybe Kevin will in time but perhaps not (thus he makes another good What If NTR focus as hes a pathetic creepy simp in the canon not a master manipulator like Drew and Hunter) but he has his own storyline now in the plot perhaps that will change in main game.

Lets pray for creativity for WWG to work with in What If ideas but if not then meh - he is creating far better ones of his own volition anyway with this update alone having everything from Catherine raping her sister with a strap on, the revelations about Drew and Sterling getting sucked off by a wife to appease her husbands sexual gratifications (were any of those ideas up for vote i wonder? genuinely curious). Those were new twists in the tale i for one did not see coming till the unfolded and canon at that, if all else fails you know no matter what the next proper chapter will be epic.

 

[E_nigma]

This could work. Maybe combine it with my off-the-cuff strip club idea earlier: Sterling and Lucia have sex wearing masks in front of an audience at a club, other characters are in the crowd (maybe Ophelia and Aliza having a girls' night out), and right at the climax Sterling takes Lucia's mask off and the embarrassment gives her a mind-breaking orgasm.

I like it, but my idea was more of sterling being an asshole about it just to further differentiate him from the canon version. Though this idea is great as well.

I wonder about the death of Hunter's wife (Annabelle), given that she was relatively young. Maybe there's more story there, maybe there isn't. Seeing Hunter get tortured could be cathartic, but might be a tough sell over sex scenes with women.

True, but as a what if it doesn't strictly have to be sexual I don't think. But fair point. You could have the sex scenes be in flash backs or go full gross for the hunter fans and have 2 old people going at it and hunter deciding he doesn't need any other woman and they leave the house to the family and abscond ( just wanted to use that word)

Something like this could be coming anyway? But what if... Ophelia and Sterling caved to Kevin's blackmail and starting doing increasingly lewd things on camera, and the suggestions from Kevin also get more and more ridiculous e.g. incorporating food or nerdy role playing?

Love it, Sold. Cumplay with food, body writing, costumes of increasingly lewd variety, this one would slay.

I can easily imagine a three-way with Sterling, Tiff, and Drew. Of those three, only Sterling would likely oppose the idea.

Well I mean she does ask to join and he says no, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch where he says yes. I'm not a fan of dp or anything but as far as a "what if" that's a lay-up ezpz ship

So he becomes the poster boy for the product? We might need demonstrations with the girls blindfolded, showing that the clone is as good as the real thing. That'll sell units!

Exactly. Worlds most famous willy.

Is it though? The woman isn't being "taken" from the guy. The point is either to maximize the woman's pleasure, or to reduce her to an object for use.

You're looking at it from a strictest definition of the term vs how it's perceived. In general any involvement of another dude with a LI is seen as equivalent to ntr even if it's not by definition ntr.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Still people will create their own narrative to defend what they like (Hunter doesnt win in the canon story so we should get more hunter is perfect example... we get loads of non canon hunter sex already, its not a unique what if scenario if we could quite rightly have expected seeing it in the main game already) whilst requesting the ideas be something that you wouldnt see in the main game with the same breath???

You're right in the sense that the NTR endings already in the game are sort of "what ifs" on their own, but you're missing my point if you think I was defending or advocating for them. Try setting aside your personal biases and preconceived notions of others' motivations.

Look on the bright side, now that Sterling has had sex with so many of the women, there are a lot more options available for What Ifs than there used to be. See my back and forth with E_nigma and it's obvious I'm not pushing for anything in particular, I just want to see good ideas.

 

[E_nigma]

We will see where the What If's go. Its not like anyone isn't aware of their reception around here by Patrons funding them or WWG himself developing them (and he has shared his take too somewhat). All i can say is the Chapter release in itself had a much praised reception for the most part and it was good the place was on a positive beat again but i cant say thats the case with What If's but it would sure be nice if they were (despite not being the target audience, that's an undisputed minority of players heralding them - hell a minority of patrons never mind players). Less of them per annum is a good call all in all.

Still people will create their own narrative to defend what they like (Hunter doesnt win in the canon story so we should get more hunter is perfect example... we get loads of non canon hunter sex already, its not a unique what if scenario if we could quite rightly have expected seeing it in the main game already) whilst requesting the ideas be something that you wouldnt see in the main game with the same breath???

That spat of what ifs between chapter releases really did change perception of the game (for the worse) more than some people would like to admit, there were dozens of pages of conflict about them to the point the header post had disclaimers and mods watching thread and all that. Not to mention wwg had to come out and cancel them until the next full chapter they were so poorly received. They were incredibly polarizing, maybe even more so than the ntr in the main game because they were the only PV content for months and dropped at a higher frequency. And like you said a few of them really were just shit you could potentially see in the main game.

 

[Bear2093]

If the Dev has more time to do the What Ifs, and makes them a little longer. Could we have ntr and vanilla together in one, kind of like the ntr scenes in the game where we are given options. For example, What If 6 Brenna and Hunter won the poll so they will be the focus but give an option where Sterling has just a small scene. And vice versa if Sterling won with whoever, we will be given the option to have either a small Hunter or Drew scene. It's just a thought cause I know I have thought of some What Ifs but they are mostly ntr. And we know ntr will most likely continue to dominate but at least if you add a small Sterling scene, it will also target those who only want to see vanilla action. I'm fine with them staying the way they are, just thought I would throw that idea out there.

 

[DD69-1]

this update Sterling got 4 anal scenes [doggy, cowgirl] with Ophelia + 1 BJ, Hunter topped all of that in one huge scene
in 1 bad ending of Ophelia's, Hunter got a BJ, titfuck, vaginal sex - missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy, missionary+creampie

 

[E_nigma]

this update Sterling got 4 anal scenes [doggy, cowgirl] with Ophelia + 1 BJ, Hunter topped all of that in one huge scene
in 1 bad ending of Ophelia's, Hunter got a BJ, titfuck, vaginal sex - missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy, missionary+creampie

But "It's just one scene" "it's not canon" "it's still Sterling focused" and the usual responses.

 

[What? Why? Games]

Hunter got 10% of the animations in an update? Oh no, Sterling isn't the focus anymore!