Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[E_nigma]

All this ad hominem and hyperbole is unproductive.

Don't tell us what you don't want to see, tell us what you do want to see. And then expand on the idea to make it interesting. "What if Sterling and Brenna have sex some more" is pretty weak; "what if Sterling and Brenna have sex on stage at a strip club" is better.

And remember these are What Ifs, so try to think of something that is unlikely to ever happen canonically, otherwise it might be too boring (and therefore won't win). Part of why Hunter kept winning was because we know he doesn't really win in the main game, so it was at least interesting insofar as it was different from the main plot.

Vanilla suggestions are challenging because many are either redundant, inevitable, or uninspired. If you want to see more What Ifs without Hunter, try to think of actually divergent plot-lines instead of simple "off camera" scenarios.

What if Lucia wasn't as much of a voyuer as she thought she was? And sterling and her went to engage in a public act and she got ultra embarrassed and sterling turns out to like it, making her engage in lewd sex acts in public. You get exhibitionism, ENF, Some maledom (which im not a fan of but it's different cause sterling usually doesn't take initiative)

What if Hunter wife was alive? Turns out she fled from hunter and his perversions, she's been training for years to exact her revenge on hunter. You could have super femdom, bdsm, possibly strap on vs hunter, maybe some torture. Lots of shit im not fond of but something we'd obvious never see in the main game.

What if Ophelia caught Brenna and sterling doing the webcam stuff? Turns out it awoke something devious in her and she wants in, she engages in a series of increasingly lewd acts on cam and it ends in a threesome

What if Sterling said yes to Drew joining in on the maid? Turns out the woman of his dreams was actually drew and the maid ends up a cuckqueen? Idk what it's called or spelled. Or hell the maids ex boyfriend now girlfriend idk.

What if Sterling started selling those clone-a-willys and the family ended up getting rich and moving out of hunters house?

There's a few

I wonder if sharing is seen as better/worse/equal to NTR?

With a dude? generally it's seen as essentially the same thing.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What if Lucia wasn't as much of a voyuer as she thought she was? And sterling and her went to engage in a public act and she got ultra embarrassed and sterling turns out to like it, making her engage in lewd sex acts in public. You get exhibitionism, ENF, Some maledom (which im not a fan of but it's different cause sterling usually doesn't take initiative)

This could work. Maybe combine it with my off-the-cuff strip club idea earlier: Sterling and Lucia have sex wearing masks in front of an audience at a club, other characters are in the crowd (maybe Ophelia and Aliza having a girls' night out), and right at the climax Sterling takes Lucia's mask off and the embarrassment gives her a mind-breaking orgasm.

What if Hunter wife was alive? Turns out she fled from hunter and his perversions, she's been training for years to exact her revenge on hunter. You could have super femdom, bdsm, possibly strap on vs hunter, maybe some torture. Lots of shit im not fond of but something we'd obvious never see in the main game.

I wonder about the death of Hunter's wife (Annabelle), given that she was relatively young. Maybe there's more story there, maybe there isn't. Seeing Hunter get tortured could be cathartic, but might be a tough sell over sex scenes with women.

What if Ophelia caught Brenna and sterling doing the webcam stuff? Turns out it awoke something devious in her and she wants in, she engages in a series of increasingly lewd acts on cam and it ends in a threesome

Something like this could be coming anyway? But what if... Ophelia and Sterling caved to Kevin's blackmail and starting doing increasingly lewd things on camera, and the suggestions from Kevin also get more and more ridiculous e.g. incorporating food or nerdy role playing?

What if Sterling said yes to Drew joining in on the maid? Turns out the woman of his dreams was actually drew and the maid ends up a cuckqueen? Idk what it's called or spelled. Or hell the maids ex boyfriend now girlfriend idk.

I can easily imagine a three-way with Sterling, Tiff, and Drew. Of those three, only Sterling would likely oppose the idea.

What if Sterling started selling those clone-a-willys and the family ended up getting rich and moving out of hunters house?

So he becomes the poster boy for the product? We might need demonstrations with the girls blindfolded, showing that the clone is as good as the real thing. That'll sell units!

With a dude? generally yes, it's seen as essentially the same thing.

Is it though? The woman isn't being "taken" from the guy. The point is either to maximize the woman's pleasure, or to reduce her to an object for use.

 

[Skode]

just wanna say


is a huge contradiction, and almost impossibly true

And that's the magic of it. Despite the absurd premise in itself that the game courts (its actually not uncommon for a porn game to find yourself fucking ones own family) or even the fact you could argue its the kind of fan service for fan insertion at its premium (a Gary Stu male lead who goes from virgin to buff magnetic mega dicked hulk of a stud who gets ALL the girls however unlikely it should be) no one could have predicted half of WWG has done with the events of the story and credit where due as it's noted by others - he has taken tepid suggestions and worked wonders with them. It wasnt the same one who tried to shit all over my hastily constructed ones but the fact they not only were hastily constructed but indeed also different from what we've seem so far in the game (and unlikely to do so, hence the what if and not PV Wishlist material) then i can only imagine what WWG can do with some of the more far out ones and with fresher cast members (wasn't it the last one where 2/3 of the ideas upon which could be voted were again NTR and again Brenna helmed? - despite having far more options by that stage?).

We will see where the What If's go. Its not like anyone isn't aware of their reception around here by Patrons funding them or WWG himself developing them (and he has shared his take too somewhat). All i can say is the Chapter release in itself had a much praised reception for the most part and it was good the place was on a positive beat again but i cant say thats the case with What If's but it would sure be nice if they were (despite not being the target audience, that's an undisputed minority of players heralding them - hell a minority of patrons never mind players). Less of them per annum is a good call all in all.

Still people will create their own narrative to defend what they like (Hunter doesnt win in the canon story so we should get more hunter is perfect example... we get loads of non canon hunter sex already, its not a unique what if scenario if we could quite rightly have expected seeing it in the main game already) whilst requesting the ideas be something that you wouldnt see in the main game with the same breath???

Honestly i would say the Lucia one fit more for NTR sentimentalists and it was easily one of the better ones - Lucia going that far off the cliff with strangers so rapidly would be a break from character (look how long its taken Sterling to progress with her sexually and is still trying to breach the barriers she erects around her) and the antagonists were never gonna get a NTR scene in game as that seems exclusive to family predators Hunter and Drew. Maybe Kevin will in time but perhaps not (thus he makes another good What If NTR focus as hes a pathetic creepy simp in the canon not a master manipulator like Drew and Hunter) but he has his own storyline now in the plot perhaps that will change in main game.

Lets pray for creativity for WWG to work with in What If ideas but if not then meh - he is creating far better ones of his own volition anyway with this update alone having everything from Catherine raping her sister with a strap on, the revelations about Drew and Sterling getting sucked off by a wife to appease her husbands sexual gratifications (were any of those ideas up for vote i wonder? genuinely curious). Those were new twists in the tale i for one did not see coming till the unfolded and canon at that, if all else fails you know no matter what the next proper chapter will be epic.

 

[E_nigma]

This could work. Maybe combine it with my off-the-cuff strip club idea earlier: Sterling and Lucia have sex wearing masks in front of an audience at a club, other characters are in the crowd (maybe Ophelia and Aliza having a girls' night out), and right at the climax Sterling takes Lucia's mask off and the embarrassment gives her a mind-breaking orgasm.

I like it, but my idea was more of sterling being an asshole about it just to further differentiate him from the canon version. Though this idea is great as well.

I wonder about the death of Hunter's wife (Annabelle), given that she was relatively young. Maybe there's more story there, maybe there isn't. Seeing Hunter get tortured could be cathartic, but might be a tough sell over sex scenes with women.

True, but as a what if it doesn't strictly have to be sexual I don't think. But fair point. You could have the sex scenes be in flash backs or go full gross for the hunter fans and have 2 old people going at it and hunter deciding he doesn't need any other woman and they leave the house to the family and abscond ( just wanted to use that word)

Something like this could be coming anyway? But what if... Ophelia and Sterling caved to Kevin's blackmail and starting doing increasingly lewd things on camera, and the suggestions from Kevin also get more and more ridiculous e.g. incorporating food or nerdy role playing?

Love it, Sold. Cumplay with food, body writing, costumes of increasingly lewd variety, this one would slay.

I can easily imagine a three-way with Sterling, Tiff, and Drew. Of those three, only Sterling would likely oppose the idea.

Well I mean she does ask to join and he says no, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch where he says yes. I'm not a fan of dp or anything but as far as a "what if" that's a lay-up ezpz ship

So he becomes the poster boy for the product? We might need demonstrations with the girls blindfolded, showing that the clone is as good as the real thing. That'll sell units!

Exactly. Worlds most famous willy.

Is it though? The woman isn't being "taken" from the guy. The point is either to maximize the woman's pleasure, or to reduce her to an object for use.

You're looking at it from a strictest definition of the term vs how it's perceived. In general any involvement of another dude with a LI is seen as equivalent to ntr even if it's not by definition ntr.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Still people will create their own narrative to defend what they like (Hunter doesnt win in the canon story so we should get more hunter is perfect example... we get loads of non canon hunter sex already, its not a unique what if scenario if we could quite rightly have expected seeing it in the main game already) whilst requesting the ideas be something that you wouldnt see in the main game with the same breath???

You're right in the sense that the NTR endings already in the game are sort of "what ifs" on their own, but you're missing my point if you think I was defending or advocating for them. Try setting aside your personal biases and preconceived notions of others' motivations.

Look on the bright side, now that Sterling has had sex with so many of the women, there are a lot more options available for What Ifs than there used to be. See my back and forth with E_nigma and it's obvious I'm not pushing for anything in particular, I just want to see good ideas.

 

[E_nigma]

We will see where the What If's go. Its not like anyone isn't aware of their reception around here by Patrons funding them or WWG himself developing them (and he has shared his take too somewhat). All i can say is the Chapter release in itself had a much praised reception for the most part and it was good the place was on a positive beat again but i cant say thats the case with What If's but it would sure be nice if they were (despite not being the target audience, that's an undisputed minority of players heralding them - hell a minority of patrons never mind players). Less of them per annum is a good call all in all.

Still people will create their own narrative to defend what they like (Hunter doesnt win in the canon story so we should get more hunter is perfect example... we get loads of non canon hunter sex already, its not a unique what if scenario if we could quite rightly have expected seeing it in the main game already) whilst requesting the ideas be something that you wouldnt see in the main game with the same breath???

That spat of what ifs between chapter releases really did change perception of the game (for the worse) more than some people would like to admit, there were dozens of pages of conflict about them to the point the header post had disclaimers and mods watching thread and all that. Not to mention wwg had to come out and cancel them until the next full chapter they were so poorly received. They were incredibly polarizing, maybe even more so than the ntr in the main game because they were the only PV content for months and dropped at a higher frequency. And like you said a few of them really were just shit you could potentially see in the main game.

 

[Bear2093]

If the Dev has more time to do the What Ifs, and makes them a little longer. Could we have ntr and vanilla together in one, kind of like the ntr scenes in the game where we are given options. For example, What If 6 Brenna and Hunter won the poll so they will be the focus but give an option where Sterling has just a small scene. And vice versa if Sterling won with whoever, we will be given the option to have either a small Hunter or Drew scene. It's just a thought cause I know I have thought of some What Ifs but they are mostly ntr. And we know ntr will most likely continue to dominate but at least if you add a small Sterling scene, it will also target those who only want to see vanilla action. I'm fine with them staying the way they are, just thought I would throw that idea out there.

 

[DD69-1]

this update Sterling got 4 anal scenes [doggy, cowgirl] with Ophelia + 1 BJ, Hunter topped all of that in one huge scene
in 1 bad ending of Ophelia's, Hunter got a BJ, titfuck, vaginal sex - missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy, missionary+creampie

 

[E_nigma]

this update Sterling got 4 anal scenes [doggy, cowgirl] with Ophelia + 1 BJ, Hunter topped all of that in one huge scene
in 1 bad ending of Ophelia's, Hunter got a BJ, titfuck, vaginal sex - missionary, reverse cowgirl, doggy, missionary+creampie

But "It's just one scene" "it's not canon" "it's still Sterling focused" and the usual responses.

 

[What? Why? Games]

Hunter got 10% of the animations in an update? Oh no, Sterling isn't the focus anymore!

 

[riddikk91]

Ahhh... it's times like this that I really LOVE the ignore button!!! Peace at last... LOL!!!

 

[SuddenReal]

Anyway, back to possible What If's... I still remain with my idea of a re-hash of the D&D evening, but instead of Sterling's Paladin losing his powers, they're augmented when he loses his purity. So in order to defeat the Minotaur, he has to bang the others.

 

[dartred]

dartred can you share your "WhatIf...?" ideas, would love to read them. (Both, ntr and non-ntr) Thanks!

Not much Vanilla what ifs thought of since i'm trying to get as much NTR in as possible, so i didn't spend much time with them. that being said, i did still come up with 4 a while back so i'll share them.

Please no one who dislikes NTR read these and then complain to me about them.

 

[E_nigma]

Anyway, back to possible What If's... I still remain with my idea of a re-hash of the D&D evening, but instead of Sterling's Paladin losing his powers, they're augmented when he loses his purity. So in order to defeat the Minotaur, he has to bang the others.

He transforms from paladin to pussy slayer

 

[Bear2093]

You got a lot of options there darted, a lot of good ones too. Which two are thinking of submitting?

 

[ripportier]

Anyone has saved a file from ch 9? My save file is missing. Please help me.

have fun

 

[ScareKing]

Not much Vanilla what ifs thought of since i'm trying to get as much NTR in as possible, so i didn't spend much time with them. that being said, i did still come up with 4 a while back so i'll share them.

Please no one who dislikes NTR read these and then complain to me about them.

Game night and broken dick are pretty good, hope we see these.

 

[E_nigma]

What if? Catherine got the power to stop time....She could go around putting people in compromising positions .She's super fond of interrupting so she could force through her plan to hook up brenna and sterling or when sterling was rejecting her she could force herself on him, etc.

 

[baka]

Im so tired of the anti-ntr complainers. they are like a small child that cries if they dont get what they want.
they don't care at all if mom says, but u got 5 ice-creams already, its your little brothers turn, and he still didnt get any.
but YOU of course need to cry even more. NOOOO I WANT MORE ICE CREAM!!!! fuck my little brother, he should be without. ME ME ME ME ME.

 

[Jellyluve]

I'm just going to say, if Drew does end up in Sterling's harem, I just hope that the dev doesn't have her d*ckin the other girls when the group sex scenes with Drew show up or have Drew's d*ck removed before she gets added in group scenes.