Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Kingkoopa97]

It definitely can take 4 months to be in the writing phase.

Not only is he writing the story, he's also writing the jokes, having to come up with wordplay in each of the scenes. As well as making sure that the writing is consistent, and doesn't contradict earlier parts of the story, so he has to keep track of everything.

You may have noticed that small things a character mentions in chapter 2 or 3, come back in chapter 10 or 11. Ophelia mentioned that she will be angry at Sterling if he gets cum on his bedroom wall. That was way back at the beginning of the game. Then in a recent chapter, she got really angry about it. A small throw away line like that, made a come back. And that's jut one example. There's also tracking the arc of each character, planning out the future, making sure you don't accidentally spoil something.

AND he has to synch up the game together, keeping track of what story beats happen in which order for the task tracker.

Then he has to put all of that in the game itself, and while copy and past will save time, you have to account for effects like the faces beside each dialogue box, and splitting up a line for dramatic effect across several clicks. All of that has to be programmed.

Now maybe his writing process is inefficient in some places and he could be faster. But overall, yeah it could definitely add up to 4 months in the writing phase depending on the size of the story.

Besides, I'm not expecting him to put in a full 8 hours a day for this game. Fuck that. I have other games I can play in the mean while. I'd rather he ease off the gas pedal so he doesn't burn out. Burn out will fuck over his long term creativity.

You know it’s ok to say the updates are starting to get a bit long in the tooth and not be a hater right?

I don’t have it in me anymore to read 5 paragraphs of cope. Im sure you made good points but in no way am I wrong in thinking 4 months writing is utter crap.

These jokes it’s taking months to write better come with a comedy special on netflix…

 

[TrueJackal]

Hey there, I am following the patreon, and yes, the updates are getting astronomically bigger leading up to each new chapter, in fact I dont think i've ever seen an update as big as what ch12 is shaping up to be ever out of any dev in this community.

But you cant deny that, the teasers have gotten significantly more sparse, he is skipping update dates on schedule, he did drop the percentage evaluation.
It seems like as we get closer and closer to release, instead of getting a more precise idea of the date of release, its getting more and more vague, the dev's comments on "How exhausting it is to do nothing but writing", "Im adding more stuff" dont help either.

I mean we're on the 21st already, if the release is actually set up for December there are not many options left.

I mean why wont he do something like that:
(Not word to word, but you know what I mean)

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All that's fair.

If I'm being charitable, I assume that he doesn't want to get people's hope's up by giving an estimation and having to constantly push back the dates.

On your end, it's understandable to want basic status updates. I don't fault you at all for that.

 

[TrueJackal]

You know it’s ok to say the updates are starting to get a bit long in the tooth and not be a hater right?

I don’t have it in me anymore to read 5 paragraphs of cope. Im sure you made good points but in no way am I wrong in thinking 4 months writing is utter crap.

These jokes it’s taking months to write better come with a comedy special on netflix…

Yeah, I could have responded to the first guy by just saying "the updates take longer because the game got bigger". But some of those comments seem so low effort that it's annoying.

 

[zindathar]

any new news??? the year its ending and we are still waiting

 

[pinkie96]

I mean we're on the 21st already, if the release is actually set up for December there are not many options left.

I mean why wont he do something like that:
(Not word to word, but you know what I mean)

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He did. This means it will be out before January 1st

 

[AvaRedux44]

I think WWG only gets the grace he does because the bar for devs on here is so fucking low. Seemingly 90% of devs on here lie to their patrons, don't give updates, don't offer any excuses, don't offer any explanations, and take 6 months to put out an update that takes 10 minutes to play through. To WWG's credit, when he puts out an update, it's a meaty, substantial update. Might be due to the gameplay cycle of having to go day by day, chasing down the events, but there's a good amount to it.

If the standards in general for game devs weren't so low, WWG would not get the kind of praise he does, I think.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

any new news??? the year its ending and we are still waiting

Based on your avatar, I think you mean:

 

[dartred]

any new news??? the year its ending and we are still waiting

It's still early. I'm hopeful that we get some news today. We just have to wait and see if he announces a delay or release guess/date. The good thing is, for people who pledge when he says he thinks it's going to release and it doesn't, he gives them the game if they pledged just for the release date. I know that doesn't really mean much here, but that's integrity. He could have milked them that extra month.

 

[maynardkeynes65]

I am more diplomatic here with everyone's point of view: what it is being pondered is quality vs time, and everyone has their limits as this is subjective. For me, and I think for a lot of us here, our time limit is this year, because people will remember more that fact that the ETA wasn't reached rather than the extra renders or extra jokes written to match the execution of a particular scene made within that additional time that caused a delay.

In the end, this can all be solved if a concrete date is given. Yes, it is not that simple, in everyone's line of work here we often make a projection, but being this close to the end of the year, it is really needed. I can sense the anxiety in the room, and I totally get you. Lets hope a release date is published today.

 

[ThorinKing]

You forgot to close your bracket lol and fyi it wasnt feedback and if you dont know what the discussion was then you are better off not commenting on it. Seems like you just wanted to start some shit with someone.

Bless your heart!

 

[Kingkoopa97]

You're totally right, he should definitely stop working to give more frequent progress reports, commit to a firm release date so we can be mad when he misses it, and make smaller updates more frequently so we can complain about how small they are. People definitely won't remember that as each chapter took longer to make they also got bigger and better, or that we got so many previews (3 times per month) through most of the dev cycle that some have complained they spoiled too much, or that the dev typically "goes dark" as he focuses on finishing each chapter.

I'm following (and supporting) him for PV, and will most likely support his next game unless it doesn't appeal to me.

You gonna be willing to wait 9months on 0.2 or 0.3 of a new game? If that is the release schedule of his new game it will 100% crash and burn before getting off the ground.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

You gonna be willing to wait 9months on 0.2 or 0.3 of a new game? If that is the release schedule of his new game it will 100% crash and burn before getting off the ground.

It depends on the size and quality of the update I guess. Of course I'd like it sooner, but 9 months is not so long to me. Maybe I'm just getting old. When I was half my age 9 months felt twice as long.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

It depends on the size and quality of the update I guess. Of course I'd like it sooner, but 9 months is not so long to me. Maybe I'm just getting old. When I was half my age 9 months felt twice as long.

In truth, that’s the way it is, this year has really gone by unnoticed if you ask me... 2023 is like they never happened... I remember once in 2011 I complained that time flies too slowly, now we complain that time flies faster...

 

[SuddenReal]

You gonna be willing to wait 9months on 0.2 or 0.3 of a new game? If that is the release schedule of his new game it will 100% crash and burn before getting off the ground.

Come on, dude. Seriously? You cannot deny that each chapter has gotten more content, which obviously result in a longer dev time. Any game in an early stage will not have this amount of content as we are getting now, so obviously the wait time won't be that long.

But to remind everyone, you're complaining about the wait time between releases for a game that's not even out yet. Tell you what, I have a couple of ideas of games I'd like to release. You can be the first to accuse me of milking my game.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Come on, dude. Seriously? You cannot deny that each chapter has gotten more content, which obviously result in a longer dev time. Any game in an early stage will not have this amount of content as we are getting now, so obviously the wait time won't be that long.

But to remind everyone, you're complaining about the wait time between releases for a game that's not even out yet. Tell you what, I have a couple of ideas of games I'd like to release. You can be the first to accuse me of milking my game.

Sometimes less is more IMO.

I wasn't actually complaining about the content wait time here I never did in the past but over I've become jaded with the dev time of this game. I'm sorry but some extra Robotic animations isn't cutting it for me for an extra 2-3 months dev time it's why I lowered my support over time till he banned me for spitting some truth at him.

WWG must have the longest writing period of any dev in the space and for what? some jokes and punch lines he over explains because he thinks were too stupid to understand them.

News flash when you got to explain your joke it was never that funny to begin with...

 

[Kingkoopa97]

It depends on the size and quality of the update I guess. Of course I'd like it sooner, but 9 months is not so long to me. Maybe I'm just getting old. When I was half my age 9 months felt twice as long.

That's good for you. I'm a lot more patient for games these days too but a 9 month dev cycle for a new game is a disaster for any dev, on top of cutting the ntr and its another space game as if the market isn't saturated with those nowadays. woof it's not looking good for the future imo

 

[Only1P]

That's good for you. I'm a lot more patient for games these days too but a 9 month dev cycle for a new game is a disaster for any dev, on top of cutting the ntr and its another space game as if the market isn't saturated with those nowadays. woof it's not looking good for the future imo

Can you just remove the "Gunpowder Cocktail" banner when you try to preach here? It's ironic..

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Can you just remove the "Gunpowder Cocktail" banner when you try to preach here? It's ironic..

If you were in that discord you'd see I've called that dev out recently too for his Antics too so not the slam dunk you thought it was lol

 

[Beardedsmith]

You're totally right, he should definitely stop working to give more frequent progress reports, commit to a firm release date so we can be mad when he misses it, and make smaller updates more frequently so we can complain about how small they are. People definitely won't remember that as each chapter took longer to make they also got bigger and better, or that we got so many previews (3 times per month) through most of the dev cycle that some have complained they spoiled too much, or that the dev typically "goes dark" as he focuses on finishing each chapter.

I'm following (and supporting) him for PV, and will most likely support his next game unless it doesn't appeal to me.

Just open with you being a simp next time so I don't waste so much time reading all that cope

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Just open with you being a simp next time so I don't waste so much time reading all that cope

Reading is hard but you'll get faster if you keep practicing!