Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[JohnSeeReally]

The problem with what you’re saying is that you’re implying it’s a deadline. It’s not, it’s an estimate. He already even refunded the people who subbed for December just for the release and promised to get the beta to them. He never set a hard deadline, just gave an estimate. While I do agree that WWG is not good at evaluating the speed at which he works or how much time things will take, he’s open about it, and fully transparent too.

This argument doesn’t make sense to me. He is his own boss, yes he’ll never have a strict deadline making independent games. But him publicly announcing a date to all of his fans/customers should be handled the same as a strict deadline. Him making that public and setting that expectation, is him setting himself a deadline. He even re emphasized the December release in November, if you are giving an “estimate” on a 10 month project the month before it’s a deadline.

As far as the “customer service” side of things, returning money, honoring patrons. That is something he has always been good for, which some devs won’t.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I would recommand anyone to just go to sleep, who knows you might have a good surprise tommorow.

 

[Beardedsmith]

game is just being tested. If anyone has ANY experience with renpy, you'll know this is a bitch to get through. especially with his files so big.

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It's just so important that when you make new excuses there aren't people who can call it out for being ridiculous actively watching the thread.

Why is he working on anything that could kick back errors like this on the day he told his most loyal soldier it was being released?

 

[Thojnaan]

It's just so important that when you make new excuses there aren't people who can call it out for being ridiculous actively watching the thread.

Why is he working on anything that could kick back errors like this on the day he told his most loyal soldier it was being released?

Now I could be wrong, but I think WWG posted that on the PV discord for all to see.

And the second question is silly considering how it's supposed to be a beta release, meaning it's supposed to be used for testing out bugs and such. That's without mentioning how some final releases of games, be it porn or conventional ones, get pushed out the door with bugs as well. It's a part of coding.

 

[dartred]

It's just so important that when you make new excuses there aren't people who can call it out for being ridiculous actively watching the thread.

Why is he working on anything that could kick back errors like this on the day he told his most loyal soldier it was being released?

Because today is when he is finishing up working on it? He didn't finish yesterday and he didn't finish a few days ago. He worked on it all the way up until now and he is now building it in renpy. He isn't just sitting on the finished build and only testing it now. Once he finishes his test, he will begin uploading the build aka the Beta for his patreons to play and you guys to pirate.

 

[teq]

Because today is when he is finishing up working on it? He didn't finish yesterday and he didn't finish a few days ago. He worked on it all the way up until now and he is now building it in renpy. He isn't just sitting on the finished build and only testing it now. Once he finishes his test, he will begin uploading the build aka the Beta for his patreons to play and you guys to pirate.

Damn, that hurted me and I didn't even say anything XD

 

[Beardedsmith]

Because today is when he is finishing up working on it? He didn't finish yesterday and he didn't finish a few days ago. He worked on it all the way up until now and he is now building it in renpy. He isn't just sitting on the finished build and only testing it now. Once he finishes his test, he will begin uploading the build aka the Beta for his patreons to play and you guys to pirate.

Dart I'm desperate for you to leave this abusive relationship you have going on with WWG. He told you with enough confidence that you publicly stated it would be released on the 7th. So either you gotta learn when not to say anything or he has no qualms throwing you to the wolves knowing you'll stay loyal. He should have had this testing wrapped up before he ever told anyone anything. And if you can't admit that him telling you it's ready for release tomorrow and then just not releasing it then consider this your intervention baby because he's hitting you.

And I wanna be real clear with your snarky "y'all pirate it" comment. I supported PV financially since Ch 3 and he banned me from discord and Patreon because he was trash talking other devs and I told him it was a shitty thing to do. So don't blame me for his thin skin creating pirates out of supporters.

 

[dartred]

Dart I'm desperate for you to leave this abusive relationship you have going on with WWG. He told you with enough confidence that you publicly stated it would be released on the 7th. So either you gotta learn when not to say anything or he has no qualms throwing you to the wolves knowing you'll stay loyal. He should have had this testing wrapped up before he ever told anyone anything. And if you can't admit that him telling you it's ready for release tomorrow and then just not releasing it then consider this your intervention baby because he's hitting you.

And I wanna be real clear with your snarky "y'all pirate it" comment. I supported PV financially since Ch 3 and he banned me from discord and Patreon because he was trash talking other devs and I told him it was a shitty thing to do. So don't blame me for his thin skin creating pirates out of supporters.

But why? No one attacks me on discord. if anything, the ONLY people who have abused me and called me things are the people in this thread. If anything, you should be saying "you're being treated harshly here. You should probably ignore this thread". If not for the few bad apples here, everyone gets along otherwise. He didn't just tell me, that was him talking on his discord. Day isn't over yet. It might rollover past midnight, but he said he's going to get the release out, then go to sleep. There is still 2 hours left for today though.

 

[Beardedsmith]

But why? No one attacks me on discord. if anything, the ONLY people who have abused me and called me things are the people in this thread. If anything, you should be saying "you're being treated harshly here. You should probably ignore this thread". If not for the few bad apples here, everyone gets along otherwise. He didn't just tell me, that was him talking on his discord. Day isn't over yet. It might rollover past midnight, but he said he's going to get the release out, then go to sleep. There is still 2 hours left for today though.

Honey listen to yourself stumble through excuse after excuse. We all like the game. Except maybe Koop I think he jacks off to it in a pure rage lol. But this has gotten ridiculous. You have to see that dude. And yeah, no one talks negatively on discord because any feedback that isn't praising him gets you banned. That's not a secret.

And you're smart. So you know that the errors he's talking about dealing with are errors you catch in alpha testing, not the day of a beta release. And just because the only thing most people in this thread ever tested was their momma's patience doesn't mean we can just lie about it.

 

[Tabuxy]

Honey listen to yourself stumble through excuse after excuse. We all like the game. Except maybe Koop I think he jacks off to it in a pure rage lol. But this has gotten ridiculous. You have to see that dude. And yeah, no one talks negatively on discord because any feedback that isn't praising him gets you banned. That's not a secret.

And you're smart. So you know that the errors he's talking about dealing with are errors you catch in alpha testing, not the day of a beta release. And just because the only thing most people in this thread ever tested was their momma's patience doesn't mean we can just lie about it.

Why is it so ridiculous? I'm trying to understand why people are so outraged right now? Is it just impatience? Do you feel cheated because of the delays? Why do you feel that way? If you are willing to explain, help me understand please.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Honey listen to yourself stumble through excuse after excuse. We all like the game. Except maybe Koop I think he jacks off to it in a pure rage lol. But this has gotten ridiculous. You have to see that dude. And yeah, no one talks negatively on discord because any feedback that isn't praising him gets you banned. That's not a secret.

And you're smart. So you know that the errors he's talking about dealing with are errors you catch in alpha testing, not the day of a beta release. And just because the only thing most people in this thread ever tested was their momma's patience doesn't mean we can just lie about it.

You judge the developer as if you were his paid visitor or he personally promised you an update... dude, where is the patience? besides you, we are still waiting for the update, but to judge? have at least a little understanding

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Honey listen to yourself stumble through excuse after excuse. We all like the game. Except maybe Koop I think he jacks off to it in a pure rage lol. But this has gotten ridiculous. You have to see that dude. And yeah, no one talks negatively on discord because any feedback that isn't praising him gets you banned. That's not a secret.

And you're smart. So you know that the errors he's talking about dealing with are errors you catch in alpha testing, not the day of a beta release. And just because the only thing most people in this thread ever tested was their momma's patience doesn't mean we can just lie about it.

I only rage when the animations start so **** you mother ******

 

[ThorinKing]

Why is it so ridiculous? I'm trying to understand why people are so outraged right now? Is it just impatience? Do you feel cheated because of the delays? Why do you feel that way? If you are willing to explain, help me understand please.

Entitled pirate children. They have sub-average IQs and giant egos. Can't be reasoned with - best to just put on ignore and hope everyone else does as well so you'll never have to know they're here.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Why is it so ridiculous? I'm trying to understand why people are so outraged right now? Is it just impatience? Do you feel cheated because of the delays? Why do you feel that way? If you are willing to explain, help me understand please.

A guess would be some of us are sick and tired of WWG missing even his estimates. Most devs who constantly do the same get a lot more hate so honestly this is just par for the course.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Entitled pirate children. They have sub-average IQs and giant egos. Can't be reasoned with - best to just put on ignore and hope everyone else does as well so you'll never have to know they're here.

Not all of us are pirates son, bet a few patrons are not happy too but wont speak up because the discord will turn on them in a heartbeat.

 

[Beardedsmith]

Why is it so ridiculous? I'm trying to understand why people are so outraged right now? Is it just impatience? Do you feel cheated because of the delays? Why do you feel that way? If you are willing to explain, help me understand please.

I've said exactly why it's ridiculous. What he's saying he's running into is stuff he should have caught in alpha testing and instead he's delaying the beta release...again.

And the issue I have is that WWG very much considers himself better than other creators and talks about them as such. But he has no concept of self discipline, time management, humility, I can go on. And he's never going to learn those traits as long as simps come along and defend his every move and cannot or will not admit when he's wrong. Either because they're completely lost in the sauce or because they're scared of his reaction. Dartred's a good guy and even if WWG has never told him to say or do anything he will happily let Dart take the heat for him instead of owning his own mistakes and admitting he's suffering from major burnout that's affecting his work

 

[dartred]

And you're smart. So you know that the errors he's talking about dealing with are errors you catch in alpha testing, not the day of a beta release. And just because the only thing most people in this thread ever tested was their momma's patience doesn't mean we can just lie about it.

But he IS testing it. There is no such thing as a alpha version unless you mean what he's doing right now. He is literally testing for errors on his version first before he releases the beta. Every dev can tell you they have to see if renpy throws you back errors.

 

[Beardedsmith]

But he IS testing it. There is no such thing as a alpha version unless you mean what he's doing right now. He is literally testing for errors on his version first before he releases the beta. Every dev can tell you they have to see if renpy throws you back errors.

That's what I'm saying Dart. He should have had these alpha tests that would have caught these errors done and fixed before he even told anyone it would be released on the 7th. He's not managing his time at all and you're not helping him by making excuses.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

WWG should really have a few testers on hand for this stuff though. These updates are massive from what we heard an extra pair of hands can really help avoid all this in future. Shame he won’t do it.

 

[Tabuxy]

I've said exactly why it's ridiculous. What he's saying he's running into is stuff he should have caught in alpha testing and instead he's delaying the beta release...again.

And the issue I have is that WWG very much considers himself better than other creators and talks about them as such. But he has no concept of self discipline, time management, humility, I can go on. And he's never going to learn those traits as long as simps come along and defend his every move and cannot or will not admit when he's wrong. Either because they're completely lost in the sauce or because they're scared of his reaction. Dartred's a good guy and even if WWG has never told him to say or do anything he will happily let Dart take the heat for him instead of owning his own mistakes and admitting he's suffering from major burnout that's affecting his work

Have you worked on a game before? I'm not saying this to be snarky, I just want to know where you got your knowledge about the game development process that lead for you to come to that first conclusion.

It also seems like you don't like him as a person because you feel like he's arrogant and hypocritical? Why do you stay subscribed to him on Patreon then?

You keep bringing up Dartred, but we are all adults and can make our own decisions, he can do what he wants to do with his time, just like you.