harem.king

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The thing about self defense is it usually has to be a proportional response.
1. only in some states.
2. irrelevant if you can convince at least 1 of 12 randomly selected people it was proportional
3. there are literally IRL examples of people being acquitted (and quickly so) for killing someone who sexually assaulted a family member.
Pfft, if you knew it was a joke, why are you splitting hairs over it?
I am not splitting hairs here.
I am explaining it to you because you are not getting it.
I replied to your joke with "meme funny. but unironically yes. to you it is a joke. to me it is the truth"
and you just can't seem to comprehend such a thing
 

Hermit76

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> If you sell your house. you are legally not allowed to buy a new one.
> If you sell your house. you are legally not allowed to rent a place to live in.
Of course you can. But with which money do you buy the house? You still have the mortgage to pay and not much income.
And paying the mortgage for a house you do not live in anymore and a rent? I would avoid doing that, if I can.
 

harem.king

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Of course you can. But with which money do you buy the house? You still have the mortgage to pay and not much income.
And paying the mortgage for a house you do not live in anymore and a rent? I would avoid doing that, if I can.
I already explained it 5 times, but lets go again
You pay the mortgage with the money from the sell of the house.
Normally, the mortgage is less than the sell value. Because you have been paying it for years and thus the debt went down. while house values usually go up.
This will leave you with extra funds which you put as a down payment for a new mortgage for a much cheaper home.

For example, if you bought a house for 400k. after 10 years of making payments, you now owe 300k.
there are now 3 scenarios:
scenario A:
You can sell it for 450k. you now have 150k in hand. which you can then use to outright buy a 150k house without mortgage. or you can buy a 200k house where you put a 75% down payment. which gives you a very good deal. or you can move to a trailer park for like 5k and have 145k in the bank.

Scenario B:
if the house value dropped massively for some reason. then the mortgage might be more than its sell value.
something happened to kill house values in that area. you can only sell it for 100k.
your house is underwater. you owe 300k on a 100k asset.

in this case, you should declare bankruptcy.
the bank takes the house. and you owe nothing.
this means you instantly "earned" 200k by just declaring bankruptcy. as you used a 100k asset to pay for a 300k debt.

Both scenarios A and B are a big win for you.

Scenario C:
the worst case scenario is if the house dropped massively, but coincidentally to just the same amount you owe.
The house will sell for 300k. the mortgage is fully paid off, but you have nothing left.

HOWEVER, even in that scenario it will benefit you to downsize.
if your monthly mortgage payment is (hypothetically) 2k. and after downsizing it is 1k. then you just got an extra 1k per month, every month.
This improves your situation a lot.

The way to make a realistic debtor scenario is not with a fucking house payment to the bank.
let me give you some examples of actual realistic scenarios:
1. ongoing medical bills.
Have one of the family members suffer from a disease that requires large ongoing payments. the ongoing part is important. if it was a one and done thing you can just declare bankruptcy. but here even if you clear it once, you need money to pay for the ongoing treatments.

2. loan sharks. a family member did something stupid and now owes the mafia money. you can't declare bankruptcy here, they will kill your entire family. you NEED to pay them off.

there you go, here are examples of realistic debtor scenarios.
 
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harem.king

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Idk why are you people having a presidential debate in a unrealistic satire comedy porn game?
Because some people are insisting that it is totally 100% realistic.
They claim this is NOT a cheesy porno plot, but a totally serious and realistic plot that will totally happen IRL.
That makes them wrong on the internet.
and we can't have that.
 
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Gwimmly

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i said i wasnt a bitch.

I never said i was good at planning.

But if i had to give an explantation...

I would get a job.

I would tell the sisters to get a fucking job.

The mother might have to get a job.

Might have to sell the million dollar house and downsize to an apartment.


But it would still be a million times better than letting that evil old man run around molesting the family.

Plus, this game takes place in america - debt is not the end of the world in america.
Nah instead they rather have that long dong from Mr.Longschlong aka Daddy Hunter :KEK:keeping the house is just a bonus
 

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a. dev never actually bothered telling us that the house is underwater. explicitly stating as such would have made it better. although still silly.
b. If the home is underwater. you should declare bankrupcy and then rent a much smaller home at a size you can afford.
I don't think you know what "equity" means...
 

Fayn Arawn

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I am explaining it to you because you are not getting it.
You answered my question to someone else but completely ignored the framing of who and when (quoted below for your convenience). There's no self defense justifying situation at that point in the story, and there's no way Sterling could convince Ophelia to sell her house when Hunter is willing to pay the mortgage and hasn't done anything egregious yet. So thatoneguy's plan was absurd because he, in Sterling's shoes, would have been fighting an impossibly uphill battle all by himself. This is what I was joking about, but you lost the plot from the get-go.

If i were in his shoes, grandad would have an 'accident' pretty much immediately after the first conversation.
And how would you have paid the mortgage?
step 1. get a job
step 2. sell the giant mansion you cannot afford.
step 3. buy a much smaller house at a cheaper area.
First somehow get away with murdering your grandfather, then land a decent paying job as a 19-year-old with no skills or experience, then buy a home with no credit and no savings. Super easy, barely an inconvenience!
 

harem.king

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You answered my question to someone else but completely ignored the framing of who and when (quoted below for your convenience). There's no self defense justifying situation at that point in the story, and there's no way Sterling could convince Ophelia to sell her house when Hunter is willing to pay the mortgage and hasn't done anything egregious yet. So thatoneguy's plan was absurd because he, in Sterling's shoes, would have been fighting an impossibly uphill battle all by himself. This is what I was joking about, but you lost the plot from the get-go.
1. thatoneguy's plan is perfectly reasonable. as I have already explained.

2. You seem to have forgotten that there have been a bunch of posts since then. where you doubled down on the notion that this is totally realistic story and that everyone has no choice but going along with hunter's porn plot. as such you expanded the scope of your claims far beyond "I think this guy's plan is bad because he would go to prison for murder" and instead started arguing that people would all sell their family to a rapist because of a mortgage.
 
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Fayn Arawn

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1. thatoneguy's plan is perfectly reasonable. as I have already explained.
Perfectly reasonable to murder someone before they give you a justifiable reason?

2. You seem to have forgotten that there have been a bunch of posts since then. where you doubled down on the notion that this is totally realistic story and that everyone has no choice but going along with hunter's porn plot. as such you expanded the scope of your claims far beyond "I think this guy's plan is bad because he would go to prison for murder" and instead started arguing that people would all sell their family to a rapist because of a mortgage.
Just because I criticize thatoneguy's plan specifically, you think I'm saying the characters have no options? I made no such assertions and you're presenting a false dichotomy.

You're arguing with what you think I'm saying, when what I actually said is quite limited in scope and hardly worth arguing. Let's move on.
 
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