Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[harem.king]

Perfectly reasonable to murder someone before they give you a justifiable reason?

1. it is not murder. it is self defense. just because it is hard to prove in the court of law does not change that.

2. Justifiable and "don't go to prison" are not the same thing.
Sometimes, going to prison for what you believe in is perfectly justifiable morally.
I hope that if I am placed in such a situation I could keep my wits and calm in such a scenario and plot until I have a safe "don't go to prison" plan. but regardless, it is justifiable action. both morally and in terms of being willing to self sacrifice some years in prison in exchange for protecting your family.

Just because I criticize thatoneguy's plan specifically, you think I'm saying the characters have no options? I made no such assertions and you're presenting a false dichotomy.

it is not just because you criticize thatoneguy. it is because of some of your specific points while criticizing him and also when arguing with me.

take for example, right here:

And how would you have paid the mortgage? It might be harder to protect your family if they're homeless. Play chess, not checkers.

Here you posit that if they don't accept hunter's deal, they will become homeless.

This is several steps beyond merely criticizing him for murder and into the realm of creating a false dichotomy between acquiescing to hunter's demands and becoming homeless

 

[DD69-1]

So again to get this straight, Drew and Kevin will get additional endings? I'm saying this because they already got their epilogue endings in chapter 12. As of now from the teasers we have 5+ NTR scenes [more to come].

As Sterling will get only one ending since people call him 'MC'. This last update [not sure about the one that comes after this, since it's not confirmed whether it'll be rolled out in patches or a single update] will definitely be NTR focused then, what started with a couple of scenes, the NTR protagonists started increasing and even after getting their endings they will get more ? and for Sterling even if he's not involved and there are girls present and they do the nasty it's called vanilla/non-ntr, that shouldn't be the case, because for NTR scenes the NTR protagonists are doing the deed, they're not absent from the scene. Darted said if the polls show 2 girls winning, Sterling maybe added to the scene, but that can only be confirmed once the game releases, because three poll wins are for NTR ends [including the HunterxLucia win as well].

This update and supposedly the coming update after this will be big on NTR front since WWG doesn't want to disappoint his high paying donors.

 

[Dmob_6438]

Speaking of Drew, we haven’t seen much of her during teasers since Ophelia is forcing her to wear a chastity belt. So I’m wondering what’s going to be her angle considering this is the last chapter. As time goes on will Ophelia and the others eventually let her join the family fun? Will she take over Hunter whole operation and funds? I’m just curious to see what Drew is planning to do next

 

[dartred]

So again to get this straight, Drew and Kevin will get additional endings? I'm saying this because they already got their epilogue endings in chapter 12. As of now from the teasers we have 5+ NTR scenes [more to come].

As Sterling will get only one ending since people call him 'MC'. This last update [not sure about the one that comes after this, since it's not confirmed whether it'll be rolled out in patches or a single update] will definitely be NTR focused then, what started with a couple of scenes, the NTR protagonists started increasing and even after getting their endings they will get more ? and for Sterling even if he's not involved and there are girls present and they do the nasty it's called vanilla/non-ntr, that shouldn't be the case, because for NTR scenes the NTR protagonists are doing the deed, they're not absent from the scene. Darted said if the polls show 2 girls winning, Sterling maybe added to the scene, but that can only be confirmed once the game releases, because three poll wins are for NTR ends [including the HunterxLucia win as well].

This update and supposedly the coming update after this will be big on NTR front since WWG doesn't want to disappoint his high paying donors.

Those weren't epilogue endings. Those were normal bad ends.

Sterling will get as many endings as there are girls for him. When he says each girl will get an ending, i'm sure he meant with Sterling. Not "remember the titans" style end credits where it says what they did with their lives after PV ended.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

1. it is not murder. it is self defense. just because it is hard to prove in the court of law does not change that.

Semantics ("murder" in the legal sense versus the literal). My point is that Sterling killing Hunter so early on is extremely "preemptive self defense", which is like a weird blend of "Minority Report" and "The Bush Doctrine". Think about what the characters know, and when they know it. Stop thinking about it from the omniscient perspective of the audience having played through the story.

Here you posit that if they don't accept hunter's deal, they will become homeless.

This is several steps beyond merely criticizing him for murder and into the realm of creating a false dichotomy between acquiescing to hunter's demands and becoming homeless

Connect the dots: Sterling kills Hunter on day 1, Sterling goes to prison, no one pays the mortgage, the family loses the house (whether the sell it or it's foreclosed is irrelevant). In hindsight, perhaps saying they'd be homeless is exaggerating, they'd most likely find somewhere to live. With Hunter dead and Sterling in jail, the obvious solution would be for the girls to use their natural charms to find new men who can provide for them. That might be cynical but it's literally a central theme of this story. The irony is that killing Hunter immediately would lead to an even less desirable outcome for Sterling than merely thwarting Hunter's schemes, as the girls get railed by strangers and (then-puny) Sterling gets railed by inmates.

Now, before you sperg out, I am not saying that Sterling has no choice but to accept Hunter. There are multiple solutions and Sterling is gradually arriving at one.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Those weren't epilogue endings. Those were normal bad ends.

Sterling will get as many endings are there are girls for him. When they he says each girl will get an ending, i'm sure he meant with Sterling. Not "remember the titans" style end credits where it says what they did with their lives after PV ended.

The main thing is that after the release of this update, WWG does not lose desire and motivation due to pressure from fans and hate, as some developers do with a hasty ending. Like, out of spite against they can do so by ending on this and not giving a full ending for the vanilla finale.

That's why DD69-1 talks about it, thinking that in the future Dev at some point may not continue those endings and epilogues as if he can drag out time while others have already received enough satisfaction. But I hope that I'm wrong and WWG will satisfy everyone with all possible endings)))

Moreover, my biggest dream ending is a full-fledged pregnant content on canon, while this was already in "What if..."

 

[indigis]

Question: Around what chapter did Aliza find out about Sterling and Ophelia?

 

[dartred]

Speaking of Drew, we haven’t seen much of her during teasers since Ophelia is forcing her to wear a chastity belt. So I’m wondering what’s going to be her angle considering this is the last chapter. As time goes on will Ophelia and the others eventually let her join the family fun? Will she take over Hunter whole operation and funds? I’m just curious to see what Drew is planning to do next

I think a part of Drew genuinely wants to bond with the girls and not just get into their pants. She was genuine with Brenna until she got gassed in the bad end. She really wanted to hear Brenan out. She gets mad at Hunter methods and wants to love the girls, not rape them.

In Lucia's bad end she didn't go after the whole kitchen, she settled for Lucia and Keira. Even bonded with her.

There is of course the case with Tiff, where that was purely lust, but that was an outside the family scenario. So it's shown she does have lust too, but has it under control when it comes to family.

So i don't know. I think she really would give bonding with the family a shot. Even if it meant she'd have to be shackled until they could trust her. As we see in the bad end for her teasers. The sex scene is wrong choice and i'm assuming if she passes they let her back in.

 

[harem.king]

Semantics

Not really. there is a pretty big difference between murder and self defense.
even if you get placed in an odd situation where you can't prove it in a court of law, does not mean it didn't happen.

Think about what the characters know, and when they know it. Stop thinking about it from the omniscient perspective of the audience having played through the story.

You know what, you actually have a point here. I made a mistake when defending thatguy.
In retrospect, the day 1 conversation with hunter he did not explicitly state he was going to rape the girls. But rather his intent to seduce them.
The appropriate response to him saying he will seduce the girls is mocking laughter, not murder.
It is only when he makes it clear that he expects you to act as an accessory to a rape that it becomes actually reasonable self defense.
And even then you should ideally wait for a better opportunity (eg: catching him red headed) rather than doing it on the spot.
I am willing to admit when I was wrong.

In hindsight, perhaps saying they'd be homeless is exaggerating, they'd most likely find somewhere to live.

I am glad we agree, yes.

The irony is that killing Hunter immediately would lead to an even less desirable outcome for Sterling than merely thwarting Hunter's schemes, as the girls get railed by strangers and (then-puny) Sterling gets railed by inmates.

Hunter is vile, while most men are not like him at all.
The odds are very good that whatever provider the girls find, they turn out to be decent men.
And having your sister find a good man to be her husband and provider is quite a lot better than her being raped by a disgusting horror creature.

Even at day 1, we know he intends to seduce then dump the girls.

 

[DD69-1]

Those weren't epilogue endings. Those were normal bad ends.

Sterling will get as many endings are there are girls for him. When they he says each girl will get an ending, i'm sure he meant with Sterling. Not "remember the titans" style end credits where it says what they did with their lives after PV ended.

you're just assuming this one, that Sterling will will get an end with each of the girls, this has not been confirmed by the dev. Kevin's ending literally had an Happy ending image at the end which was shared here, and said that if you're Kevin you can stop at this point. Hunter has been getting epilogue endings since chapter 10 because Sterling just dies after that and your calling them normal bad ends. I'm not sure you're understanding this because you prefer NTR hence you don't care, however the scenes and the ends of the NTR genre are heavily increasing in these upcoming updates.

The main thing is that after the release of this update, WWG does not lose desire and motivation due to pressure from fans and hate, as some developers do with a hasty ending. Like, out of spite against they can do so by ending on this and not giving a full ending for the vanilla finale.

That's why DD69-1 talks about it, thinking that in the future Dev at some point may not continue those endings and epilogues as if he can drag out time while others have already received enough satisfaction. But I hope that I'm wrong and WWG will satisfy everyone with all possible endings)))

Moreover, my biggest dream ending is a full-fledged pregnant content on canon, while this was already in "What if..."

Thank you for saying this and it's sadly true... The push from the NTR fans is there and the screenshot that pinkie shared even in a way confirms that the developer will not do justice to the vanilla end [talking strictly vanilla here and not some girl on girl where Sterling isn't even involved those are not vanilla scenes.] WWG even said he'll roll them out in patches because he has no motivation in building up Sterling because it's a bland character, hence he will lose motivation. can't wait for the dev to prove me wrong on this. I'm still sure that we'll get one end for Sterling, but he'll spin it off by saying it's a big one wherein it'll have Sterling just spewing jokes as a defense mechanism.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

So again to get this straight, Drew and Kevin will get additional endings? I'm saying this because they already got their epilogue endings in chapter 12. As of now from the teasers we have 5+ NTR scenes [more to come].

As Sterling will get only one ending since people call him 'MC'. This last update [not sure about the one that comes after this, since it's not confirmed whether it'll be rolled out in patches or a single update] will definitely be NTR focused then, what started with a couple of scenes, the NTR protagonists started increasing and even after getting their endings they will get more ? and for Sterling even if he's not involved and there are girls present and they do the nasty it's called vanilla/non-ntr, that shouldn't be the case, because for NTR scenes the NTR protagonists are doing the deed, they're not absent from the scene. Darted said if the polls show 2 girls winning, Sterling maybe added to the scene, but that can only be confirmed once the game releases, because three poll wins are for NTR ends [including the HunterxLucia win as well].

This update and supposedly the coming update after this will be big on NTR front since WWG doesn't want to disappoint his high paying donors.

You make this same point too often. We get it, you don't like NTR, and for you that includes girl-on-girl. I don't care if chapter thirteen has ten NTR scenes, if there are more vanilla scenes then it won't be "NTR focused", that's not how the word "focused" works.

You know what, as I high paying donor, I'm going to tell WWG to make sure there are more NTR scenes than vanilla ones, just so you can be simultaneously correct and disappointed.

 

[dartred]

The odds are very good that whatever provider the girls find, they turn out to be decent men.

You're basing that off our real universe and not in-game universe. The males there have proven the opposite. The girls don't exactly have the creme de la crop pickings over there. Let's name off the guys of the game and put them into good husband vs bad husband material.

Good Husband Material - Sterling

Bad Husband Material - Hunter, Kevin, Erik, 2 old cabin men, Drew(?), Caspian (Ambers dad)
They're not in yet, but the speed dating guys. The fact that 3 women passed up every guy is a sign that they were not going to be good picks.

That's 7 men off the top of my head + how ever many men they got to interview in the speed dating.

Not sure about them as Material - Uber Driver. Hotel Clerks Uncle.

So of the 10 males that i can think of, we got 1 good husband material. The rest have issues or just want the girls to use for sex. I wouldn't exactly call that good odds of them finding a good provider. Actually no, i take that bad. They could very much be "provided for". A roof over their head and food on their plates, but they'd be miserable. If you count that as being provided for.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Question: Around what chapter did Aliza find out about Sterling and Ophelia?

Chapter 10.

 

[DD69-1]

You make this same point too often. We get it, you don't like NTR, and for you that includes girl-on-girl. I don't care if chapter thirteen has ten NTR scenes, if there are more vanilla scenes then it won't be "NTR focused", that's not how the word "focused" works.

You know what, as I high paying donor, I'm going to tell WWG to make sure there are more NTR scenes than vanilla ones, just so you can be simultaneously correct and disappointed.

I make the same point because it's true.

Yes we know that you like NTR content, and you are seeing defending Sterling quite frequently, please tell WWG the same thing that you're saying here but I'm sure that'll will be in his cards because there are more NTR scenes planned so I'll again say that I'm not shocked by this because I was expecting this, I'm saying how it actually is.

 

[harem.king]

You're basing that off our real universe and not in-game universe. The males there have proven the opposite. The girls don't exactly have the creme de la crop pickings over there. Let's name off the guys of the game and put them into good husband vs bad husband material.

Obviously. As the core argument is about realism. Is this game realistic? what would people do IRL?

I said earlier, this is a porn game with porn plot.

The harem is unrealistic porn plot
The netorare is unrealistic porn plot
The NPCs are unrealistic porn characters.
The physics is unrealistic porn physics.
And that is OK! We are all here for the porn.

Obviously in NTR porn universes all men are rapists and scum.
This is just how it is with porn.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Thank you for saying this and it's sadly true... The push from the NTR fans is there and the screenshot that pinkie shared even in a way confirms that the developer will not do justice to the vanilla end [talking strictly vanilla here and not some girl on girl where Sterling isn't even involved those are not vanilla scenes.] WWG even said he'll roll them out in patches because he has no motivation in building up Sterling because it's a bland character, hence he will lose motivation. can't wait for the dev to prove me wrong on this. I'm still sure that we'll get one end for Sterling, but he'll spin it off by saying it's a big one wherein it'll have Sterling just spewing jokes as a defense mechanism.

I have never been unhappy with the game or against WWG, as long as he keeps making such quality renders and h-scenes, i'm happy and enjoying! and as for bad endings and other Kevin or whoever, i don't care, for me it's like a mechanic for losing after a wrong choice.

if dev gives me a real harem ending or at least a big pregnant fuckfest and fun, i'll be happy with them. but then again, very few devs have been able to create a resembling harem ending, it's a very difficult task, some even give up on them halfway. so just hope for the skill from WWG.

 

[DD69-1]

I have never been unhappy with the game or against WWG, as long as he keeps making such quality renders and h-scenes, i'm happy and enjoying! and as for bad endings and other Kevin or whoever, i don't care, for me it's like a mechanic for losing after a wrong choice.

if dev gives me a real harem ending or at least a big pregnant fuckfest and fun, i'll be happy with them. but then again, very few devs have been able to create a resembling harem ending, it's a very difficult task, some even give up on them halfway. so just hope for the skill from WWG.

That's just it bro, it's just one end since it'll be a harem, Sterling isn't going to get ending with all the girls and also get a harem end as well, because that'll be too vanilla and unrealistic because that's where they draw the line apparently. WWG's motivation will be there as long as donors get to see what they like.

 

[pinkie96]

I don't understand why people feel the need to complain about NTR when Vanilla has and always will be the majority of the content in each update. If it makes you feel better WWG has confirmed Vanilla will make up around 60% of the content this update.

 

[Gwimmly]

you're just assuming this one, that Sterling will will get an end with each of the girls, this has not been confirmed by the dev. Kevin's ending literally had an Happy ending image at the end which was shared here, and said that if you're Kevin you can stop at this point. Hunter has been getting epilogue endings since chapter 10 because Sterling just dies after that and your calling them normal bad ends. I'm not sure you're understanding this because you prefer NTR hence you don't care, however the scenes and the ends of the NTR genre are heavily increasing in these upcoming updates.


Thank you for saying this and it's sadly true... The push from the NTR fans is there and the screenshot that pinkie shared even in a way confirms that the developer will not do justice to the vanilla end [talking strictly vanilla here and not some girl on girl where Sterling isn't even involved those are not vanilla scenes.] WWG even said he'll roll them out in patches because he has no motivation in building up Sterling because it's a bland character, hence he will lose motivation. can't wait for the dev to prove me wrong on this. I'm still sure that we'll get one end for Sterling, but he'll spin it off by saying it's a big one wherein it'll have Sterling just spewing jokes as a defense mechanism.

One is canon and the others are not.

 

[Only1P]

I don't understand why people feel the need to complain about NTR when Vanilla has and always will be the majority of the content in each update. If it makes you feel better WWG has confirmed Vanilla will make up around 60% of the content this update.
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Wow, I missed that, 40% is insane, cancelled my subscription until release, Thank you.