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I don't think that's entirely true, she can lie all she wants, the problem is she doesn't do it rationally. She makes no effort to hide her hatred for you because its so great she is unable to, but there is no reason why she wouldn't lie about anything else. Suppose that nothing were to happen to the dragon, would she stay silent? No, she hates your guts so she imagines all the ways you are going to get screwed over, if she ever predicts the future its only going to be just from the fact if you keep throwing darts at the board you're bound to eventually hit. I don't think she's trustworthy at all.
Man, sisters do not solve (or exacerbate) their sibling issues by making each other fuck a dragon. Most siblings have some sort of conflict, probably why Malice doesn't want one, but the way their dynamic works is really not something you can apply reason to, its just porn logic.
He stumbles over words all the time, like he is not sure how to present himself, it's not just "we". There is a weird duality to him, he acts proper and dignified but also kind of slutty. He's a kobold but yet with none of the behaviors or looks of one. Sure it might be a sign of possession but its not a very strong one.
Problem with demon possession is he does not act like a demon, why would demons care about human lives and what happens with people? As with the hinting, the problem stems from how do you actually envision the world and setting, does it revolve all around us - the player, not the dragon - or is it it's own inner consistent world where we are only just observing? It's valid to say, why would the dev bother with these descriptions if we already know of Issa's magic transformation, but I would argue back that someone who had those things done to them *should* have such a description for world consistency and lore.
This I find more plausible, note that unlike other captives he can't get pregnant so he can't deliver you any kobolds. When describing his appearance, his transformation specifically, he talks about being an "inferior immitation" or something like that. I think he might just have a hidden inferiority complex and is scared of losing access to the dragon, which might explain his other behaviors.
I don't think its all so eldritch, if you talk about what caused the last naga to disappear its said that it just happened on its own. There was no conquest, no coup, no betrayal, its almost like they just committed suicide of some sort. So I don't think it's about having some sort of a grand plan, but more that they are really depraved impulsive creatures that don't think ahead very far, they just do what they want, act what they feel like, otherwise why orchestrate your own downfall? Malice just does what she feels like, I don't think she's that different from the dragon, its just she has reality breaking powers while you do not. Though going back to how the naga just disappeared, reality breakage might be more of a side effect of them just existing rather than something they have mastery over, their eldritch nature isn't so much about them personally but more about the fact of their existence that disrupts natural laws, which can lead to them being affected by it as much as they affect others. I might be wrong about this though since I'm out of the loop on the lore.
Greater question to me is, what's the point of all of this? When people talk about the weird deer thing that happens to Anne for example, people go "ah fuck consequences of my actions" but is this really to punish the player for no reason? Is this to indulge in some sort of even crazier fetishes? Why does it have to be apocalyptic, instead of just being a new world order? Why put Malice (best girl) behind some kind of bad ending state? Is it really meant to be bad? Is it an excuse for the writer to go off his meds? So many questions.
WAIT WAS MALAGAR BEING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS DARJA THING???
...can I at least tell him how stupid this is?
...can I at least tell him how stupid this is?
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Indeed - some of them are simply to sweet to say "no". That said though, one should beware their... extras. After all, there is...
To be honest.. While I just reached act 4 (yes I have malice coming).. But this talk of the apocalypses I hope is just not some bad ending.. That would be really shit on the devs behalf. Since how easy it is to achieve and would show he did turn it into a shitty story.. I really hope its just an end game scenario to make the world darker place... I want to think of it as like the manga Berserk. Where the astral plane (with all the demons) starts merging with the mortal plane because of Grifith. Things are going to get "dark" and messed up real soon. Which could be a means to give us plenty of dark fetishes and storylines or such. But that should be it. I hope thats the intent.
Well Since I took the Abandoned mine. I was going to give her to the Infernos. So I went after Valria first (and lucky since later I found saw in the guide you need traps ready for the cats) which I didnt have.. So Valria ended up getting the first turns... I then later changed my mind not to give Heloise to the infernos and keep her. All it seems the demons give you is an army, and im not interested in demons chicks with dicks at all to hand over a white haired elf . . But looking at the gallery and some interesting scenes she has with Malice, she did look like a better mother. Varlria really hates Malice doesnt she. But I cant really change that now unless I reload my Act 2 start save and do everything again.
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My hope is that you will have some control over it instead of it just being "haha consequences of le actions" because the whole game is about it all being just a fantasy over realism, imposing fetishes onto people that just want Malice content and messing up everything else is really not nice, no matter how philosophical you get behind it.
Thats kinda why I was just thinking if I should give them to the kobolds or Wolves... It was pissing me off, if you dont select the right option.. They escape from the lair RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DRAGON and KOBOLD GUARDS.. Its fucking stupid. He should of swatted them like cochroaches. It just feels shit that you have to select the right options or poof their gone with nothing you can do about it.
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I see reason in her unreasonable hatred. Lie, if not habitual - which can be the case, granted - is usually a conscious effort. It takes at least some degree of reason - and at that point she has little to none. And even if she lies - what reason there would be for HER to warn you against Issa's shenanigans? Either she does not care enough to lie anymore - or Issa's wasn't plotting against YOU.
As for trustworthiness... Yeah, LOL.
I... Don't quite get what you are saying here. I think those wasn't even your words about their conflict in-harem being pure pretend. And I commented on those words specifically.
Honestly, I don't know what to comment. Even the whole topic is vague - like, sibs do conflicts in their own unique ways. It kinda-sorta feels like you are trying to umbrella term what does not need that.
You have to agree - that one is a very specific stumble. Also, his duality - or, perhaps, it would be more apt to call it mutli-facedness - runs way deeper. Have you ever tried to give him out to the wolves? He fits in the pack. And the Eburon comments that he is a natural killer. If anything, I suspect "slutty" part being pure play-pretend to entice our Bad Dragon and not part of any real, deep duality.
So, we have someone who refers to himself as 'we' for no reason, emanated unnatural heat on death and is a killer. Makes a few clicks, doesn't it?
And what does "acting like a demon" even means? Zazi is one thing - a pretty conniving gal. Her brutes, on the other hand... Are brutes, naff said. Demons can vary in their methods - or even, perhaps, goals.
But the latter is pointless to argue about due to severe lack of anything concrete. Methods, however, is interesting point - we do not know the reason why Issa is trying to save people. We can probably safely assume he is sincere in this regard. But are his actions his ends - or means to?
As for consistency question - I judge from my point of view. I wouldn't have written that way - given that much emphasis to those details. For narration, such move is worse than waste - it is misleading. Red herring is fine sometimes, but overall that is something any narrator would wish to avoid like flood and fire.
Yes, Issa's body is magically changed, which kinda begs into existence some after-effects. But on the other hand - why? And why those specific effects with specific association?
Also, IIRC, you could kill our Bussy lad at prior points. I don't remember there being anything about acrid blood, smell of petrichor and heat emanating from his body. So, it may be something event-specific.
Sidenote: can anyone recall anything about petrichor being mentioned anywhere in game? It's SOOOO SPECIFIC it begs into question a possibility of equally specific hint. So, was it mentioned before? In Malagar's section of the game, perhaps?
Dude, I hate to bring it to you...
But he ain't no chick. And boys don't get preggers.
Why did you even bring this up?.. I mean - yes, you've made a likely theory on his reasons. May be true, totally - personally, I think it is to some degree.
But, like, I always viewed him in the cohort of different sort of companions. Like our chief kobbie, Captain or Eburon - hey, you can get laid with the Big Bad Wolf! Does that make him a part of our captives?
Not everyone you can fuck is part of your harem in this game. Heck, remember that gal in the Monastery? She doesn't become our captive. At all. We can just fuck her - or drop her and got Chanwe instead.
So, why focus on this part? It may be totally irrelevant. And I don't recall Issa being an attempt to make a female kobbie. Just a prettyfying attempt, so to speak.
I wasn't clear enough, forgive me. I was attempting to point out what you just did, but I got distracted mid-writing and forgot the thought.
'Eldritch' and 'fae' were my attempts to roughly encapsulate her mindset. The point were not some ultra-elaborate or literally unthinkable plans - she may just think in ways incomprehensible, that's what I was trying to say. I'd like to remind that, seemingly, the only one who had an actual meaningful conversation with Malice was Mother. Yes, an incomprehensible cryptic primordial being of an eldritch nature.
As for control over her powers - I agree that reality warping is side effect. I doubt she has much control over it, if any.
I think those people are silly, no offense. Game did little to warn, giving us vague portents of doom. Not that I blame the devs, but there was little way for us to properly realize the danger beforehand. "The end is nigh!" isn't a great warning, it's not specific in the slightest besides the scope of the problem. Of course, such vagueness entails nothing on waify deerification matters.
We don't even know if that's a bad ending, a doomsday or whatever else of that nature. Physics break - yet is there actual suffering? Deerie-Ann doesn't seem to suffer. Does that now-bewinged boy?
Malice is a roaring fire of Armageddon that melts the world into unrecognizable shapes - yet is it an end? A new beginning? The Great Re-Making? Is it even bad?
Elves think that way. But we don't know if they know for sure - or if their motives aren't ulterior. They will lose their top position in the world, after all. Mother seems to embrace it - I think, hard to tell. Demons do not seem to care that much, as far as I understand.
I doubt the game gave enough puzzle-pieces to get a full picture yet. Yet, we should try anyway, I think.
That's not really true, lies can be said casually without any effort. The actual struggle is in trying to construct a narrative that seems truthful, but you don't need that to lie, Val doesn't really have one she just says most mean things she can to you. Plenty of room to lie there without any effort.
I know its not addressed to me, but I find the topic interesting, and my point is that looking "too deep" into a character like this is counter productive cause they don't act in a normal rational way. The point is that these two sisters are funny and they're hot and things like the rivalry between them shouldn't be taken too seriously, I think its mostly played for laughs.
Don't be silly, when did you ever meet a demon that cares about suffering or well being of ordinary people? The prosperity of the realm? This is not something demons ever care about, sometimes even go out to destroy in media.
Yes, that is literally the point, all of it. You boink other people, and they get kobolds, but you boink Issa and Issa doesn't get kobolds. I have no idea why you think I implied Issa is female, when I used all his male pronouns, the point is that he's like a femboy trap where he's clearly 100% male but he kind of fits the archetype of a woman, and his complex is on that he fills that role imperfectly.
My point is more that Malice isn't eldritch, really. She's surrounded by eldritch things, but she herself is actually a mundane person. I did notice interesting connections to Mother, like how Mother is pregnant before Malice comes into the world, and then isn't, so I definitely buy into there something being strange going on with Malice but I just don't think she herself is personally an alien being, or infused with alien thought patterns, its more like something is trying to get a hold on her.
I'm not arguing against you, if that's what you mean by the way. I'm just sharing my perspective on things
Ask yourself, *why* do there have to be portents of doom? What is the nature of doom? Why does it manifest itself the way it did? "The End" is coming but why does that have to involve fucking deer people? There are so many ways you could go with this idea of the world changing and transforming and this is just an awful way to go because many people want Malice but they don't want all this other nonsense. Is it really an unreasonable thing to ask for? Look at what happens in the game, you boink so many women and none of them get any injuries, were this another game that chose to implement such consequences to your actions would you still go "man those people asking to get rid of all that gore are silly you are a dragon"? I do not think just cause that the game has said "this kid of yours is gonna fuck some shit up" that you have to go balls to the walls with crazy nonsense that the player has no control over, sure you could but why do you need to when you could have done something different? Fantasy is not constrained by reason, its a fantasy, especially a sex one, the rules can be whatever we want them to be.
Also everything around Malice seems to point towards the apocalypse being bad. I mean, its the apocalypse. It's not a new age, although I wish it was, people get turned into monsters and their free will getting fucked with, this is not good by any measure. Not like you have any say in the matter either, it just happens.
And for Darja to be an option as queen, you have to have gone the route that has Malagar. (One can't help wondering where he is and what he's doing if you took one of the other two lair options.)
Almost all female characters in this game are eligible for pregnancy. With a couple exceptions.
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Do we actually know what Issa is up too? It seems in the scene he has with Valzira he wants the naga to be born?
He hates kobolds and seems sad/annoyed if you respond that you want to make Adeline your queen and make more dragons.
But at the same time there is that scene where he goes all yandere on Naho, and I cant find any angle there that he is plotting something against us somehow. only wanting to "put her in her place" for daring to try to attack us.
He hates kobolds and seems sad/annoyed if you respond that you want to make Adeline your queen and make more dragons.
But at the same time there is that scene where he goes all yandere on Naho, and I cant find any angle there that he is plotting something against us somehow. only wanting to "put her in her place" for daring to try to attack us.
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Maybe he's just schizo, nobody really knows. I think the important part is the experiments done on him has done something to his mind, not just his body. Description of his corpse, his manner of speech (no other kobold talks as elegantly as him, not breaker, not petruk, etc), his violence towards Val who was involved in his transformation, I think it's all going to link back to that central key event, problem is what does it mean, what have they really done to him? I don't think he's plotting against the dragon specifically but he definitely has some agenda going on, maybe it's revenge, maybe he's trying to protect you in his own way against some perceived danger, naho and val are the only captives that you really can't reason with. We know the previous dragon was an asshole who's done it all to him, maybe he wants to prevent that happening again, but he never says anything directly bad about his previous master, perhaps to avoid conflict with you. He's not fully upfront about something to you, but I get the vibe its not out of maliciousness or hostility, more out of fear.
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Just finished the current contet, and while I made sure to dodge most of the brutal stuff that aint my cup tea. (For a game called ravager about a monster you can have a suprisingly happy/rape free playthrough)
All the characters and intrigue is a good time, the scheming wierd allies and betrayals,the slew of options you get for most scenes.
Heloise and Marie were my favorite characters for sure especially Heloise that relationship suprisingly turns really wholesome if you have the world ending kid with her lol.
Which has me in a bit of a bind because of whatever that wierd deer thing that Marie got turned into at the end is because of said kid being born. Ergo you cant have normal Marie and the sweet relationship with Helosie at the same time.
Maybe you can cure her in a future update? Who knows the game did not allow you to mercy kill her so..... The apocalypse seems to have mind altering/effecting qualities when interacting with her.
Might run through the game another time and try a different lair this time, I saw in the guide now afterwards the mine one has you sacrifice Heloise much like I did with velzira this run so might give that a go as there would be no naga then.
Darja was pretty cute (hot even after going through royalification?? Or what you would call it) tried briefly having her as both the consort and queen but pretty quickly reloaded both those choices, she really is just dumb as a doorknob while cute in small bursts for sure but more then that.... yeaahhh no.
But yes all the capturable harem members are pretty fun as they are so different. The only one I felt served no real purpose was Naho she had no real plot progression or scenes or dialogue or anything.
You capture her and she tells you to go fuck yourself, which fair enough but it never goes beyond that so meh I just gave her to Malagar for a quick one of scene and never saw her again
All the characters and intrigue is a good time, the scheming wierd allies and betrayals,the slew of options you get for most scenes.
Heloise and Marie were my favorite characters for sure especially Heloise that relationship suprisingly turns really wholesome if you have the world ending kid with her lol.
Which has me in a bit of a bind because of whatever that wierd deer thing that Marie got turned into at the end is because of said kid being born. Ergo you cant have normal Marie and the sweet relationship with Helosie at the same time.
Maybe you can cure her in a future update? Who knows the game did not allow you to mercy kill her so..... The apocalypse seems to have mind altering/effecting qualities when interacting with her.
Might run through the game another time and try a different lair this time, I saw in the guide now afterwards the mine one has you sacrifice Heloise much like I did with velzira this run so might give that a go as there would be no naga then.
Darja was pretty cute (hot even after going through royalification?? Or what you would call it) tried briefly having her as both the consort and queen but pretty quickly reloaded both those choices, she really is just dumb as a doorknob while cute in small bursts for sure but more then that.... yeaahhh no.
But yes all the capturable harem members are pretty fun as they are so different. The only one I felt served no real purpose was Naho she had no real plot progression or scenes or dialogue or anything.
You capture her and she tells you to go fuck yourself, which fair enough but it never goes beyond that so meh I just gave her to Malagar for a quick one of scene and never saw her again
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Depends on the severity of the lie in question and personality of the lyer. May be very casual, may be very hard. I am not sure how to assess Valzira in particular. We need examples of her lying and her telling truth for such assessment.
I will begin with re-asserting my position. She tells you she will screw you over if you release her if you do that. I think, it's a good example of her not caring enough to lie.
Well, we have two ways of assessing character. We either go for specific in-story details or "normal rational way". People be people, after all, no reason to suspect outlandish behavior if its possibility were not established.
And yes, it is being played for laugh, I think.
Regrettably, you've missed the point and read only a setup for it.
The point was - we don't know means from ends. At the moment, we have HIS words to assess the reason behind his actions. No more, no less.
A shabby basis for assessment, don't you think?
As for why demons would help people... Have you ever heard the concept of 'fattening the herd'? Being Warhammer-fag my warp my perspective, but you'd be surprised (if you aren't aware already) by crazy overly elaborated schemes thousands of years in the making some of WH40k demons would invent. Often, just to piss each other off - or even shits and giggles.
Not the best example, perhaps, but what I'm trying to say is that some immortal supernatural entity with inhuman thinking may go for plans that on first glance would make less than no sense for a human. Because:
a) demon's logic may be unlike that of humans, with goals we would consider unreasonable or pointless;
b) demon have supernatural means to achieve their goals humans do not possess - and, therefore, struggle to plan against or take into account altogether;
c) demon can plan ahead for far longer spans of time compared to humans.
Combine all of this and you'll get someone whose plans are very non-transparent.
That is a tangent, of course. A food for thought, less so a proper argument.
Still, not every companion is meant for literal breeding. And while such jealousy and inferiority complex is a possibility, Issa may not even be intended by authors to be viewed in that cohort.
Understandable. Since we already exchanged our opinions on the matter and seemingly exhausted this topic for now, I will conclude it simply. We don't know for sure, since her role in the Cataclysm is yet to be revealed - and I am sure there would be a lot to reveal later on.
Answer to "Why?" is simpler than simplicity itself. People in-story view it this way. We have mostly their perspective - IIRC, supernatural beings are more chill on the subject. Why would people view it as doomsday? That's the upturning of the world their know. It matters less whether or not world would actually end - to them, it won't be that different.
As for The Deer Question - I wholeheartedly salute authors and would wank to the Deerie-Ann just to show my support of their creative liberties. I admire and respect authors who just go ham with little regard to anyone's opinion - not to constructive criticism, just the matter of taste! Constructive criticism still should be taken into consideration, naturally. But creative process should take precedence - even if it entails betailed and behorned ex-zoophile-turned-zoo.
Hard to tell, IMO. Point is - ATM, we saw people morph according to their personalities. Its less of "turned into monsters" and more sort of realization of their... Dreamscape? Its like they turn into dream versions of themselves. Reality thins around Malice and subjective start to overwrite objective.
Which is a concept I've seen in SCP of all places. Reality Anchors work by applying certain objectivity levels to the area. There are, however, areas with denser objectivity, where laws of other world or beings are being uphold instead of Earth laws, and, more importantly, areas with less dense objectivity, where people can just warp things into being. Sidenote: IIRC, infamous Reality Sculptors are just people with higher objectivity density or something like that.
Anyway, I may have warped or missed something, don't take my words for gospel. I just shown how such concept could work.
And yes, taken into extremes, it will fuck reality over into something too unstable to support life.
But will it with Malice? I don't know - maybe, or maybe it will stop at some point. Perhaps, the center of this anomaly, our naga, will at some point suffer its greatest effects and, for example, erase herself just by feeling sad.
Reality warping work in strange, if simple ways.
P.S. Issa is Arabic for Jesus. Take from that what you will, but I doubt it is random choice of name. Especially for a character seemingly dead-set on saving humans.
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