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And? If someone don't like it just ignore the game without harassing the dev. Not all stories have to have girls dropping their pants for the MC just for existing
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Then do not target or say you target the game at those players, besides many of those weaknesses in MC and intended girls you see in (almost) every game that tries to mix NTR and romance. NTR needs that setup where people are either stupid, incompetent or just unlikable with overpowered antagonists that seemingly hold all cards and it tends to spread and spill over in the other paths. Almost impossible to stop that from happening as a writer (even if every dev would be a great writer) since the NTR genre has its own memes and needs and they clash with those of most romance players and making two setups and really different chars in each path is just too much work. Not even talking about fact whether most people who immerse themselves into a male MC wish to be humiliated, which NTR is all about in the end. They are different and opposing (power) fantasies from a male MC game perspective.
Besides first impressions do matter if you look at a girl as a potential partner for MC as is the intention in romance games and not just a fuck toy and with months between updates it becomes way harder to change those first impressions, since they linger for months. Not even starting about the simple dislike for other dick/pussy people may or may not have in their games or they find those scenes boring. These games especially if a work in progress work differently as a weekly soap or (porn) movie or completed book. People for whatever reason react differently to them and some tend to immerse way more and what happens in a game has more impact emotionally for many.
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Yeah, I get what you are saying, and that first impression could prove tough to overcome. I would say he was building towards a more tolerable set of girls, but at this point we will never know. He supposedly was nearing completion of version 5 (days away at the time) then vanished from this scene.
Above, I am not sure I agree with DA22 on humiliation being the end-all for NTR, at least it is not why I like NTR plotlines. Maybe I don't use NTR correctly, but I just want stakes in the game, not just "can I bang the chick or not?" Gameplay should reward, but also punish, players for their decisions. Not punish as in endless mini-games and grinding, but the loss of love interests to other dudes. But this is not a critique of DA22 (who I largely agree with), nor is it a conversation on NTR. It is a conversation on a game that was polarizing, and still at this late date holds interest for many. That is a pretty telling fact.
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The thing is there are many ways you can punish a player for playing badly and make him lose a LI, die, get bankrupt or whatever, without her fucking an asshole, which all NTR antagonists are by required meme for the genre. It could even be a great guy that you would want a drink with if he was not an opponent in game, just that is never ever the case in a NTR game.
Though even then many players will hate it, some for the other dick and also many players do not wish to be punished, which a bad end is by definition. Just have a look at games that have bad ends unavoidably and remarks about that
Netorare though is based on the fact the MC get cucked by an asshole that most of time will use rapey means to get what he wants and both the MC and LI's are to stupid and/or powerless to stop him. So yeah it is about humiliating the MC and LI's in the end as well or a power fantasy if play it from the perspective of the NPC.This is something else to be truthfully as a LI that decides to cheat on MC with a better guy cause the MC treats her like shit or acts like a complete moron. Which story wise can well be done, without hurting the LI as a romantic interest (though hard to pull off if the resolution or other sides of LI takes months to see or her reasons) , just as she can fuck the loving father if mom or her husband or BF when he is halfway decent guy. Just in a male MC focused game, many will not like having other dick shown in action. They are two separate markets with different wants and likes and as a dev it is close to impossible to do that well in one game even with different paths and avoidable since you do need to set up chars it will be likely they cheat on MC or will easily give in to the NTR and that MC is a doofus despite being rich or have a succubus as partner that will not stop people important to him being abused.
That is also why this debate will never stop, since many people really do hate NTR and as long as devs try to mix it with romance games in the name of "so-called" reality the wars will continue. They just do not mix especially it seems in male MC games , however good the writer is and let us be honest quite a lot of the devs in these games seem incapable of or willing to giving LI's or antagonist much more depth as just the well known memes like the reborn as virgin Mom that suddenly gets in heat when sees a big dick, whether MC on the one path or rapey asshole NPC on the other.
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The premise is quite unique though and deserved to be explored more. Some people were butthurt that the LIs weren't head over heels in love with the MC, and that he wasn't a Chad, from the get go.
But there is not even "classic" NTR in this game, it was a LI who also wanted the other girls but was not excluding the MC.
I don't say the dev quit because of them, but it certainly didn't help.
But there is not even "classic" NTR in this game, it was a LI who also wanted the other girls but was not excluding the MC.
I don't say the dev quit because of them, but it certainly didn't help.
You must have played a different game, because the problem most people had with this one was exactly that all the girls were suddenly head over heels "in love" with the MC, right after they found out he was filthy rich. They went from "let's drop that fool" to "let's go on a vacation together because we want to spend more time with you" right after he told them we wanted to celebrate the success of his game that made him a millionaire...
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Yeah just one of the problem with these kind of work in progress games with months in between updates is that those interesting concepts work way less as in a complete story or weekly updated soap on tv where people do not immerse. Too much drama and not resolving it within the same update becomes a negative in this kind of games instead as a positive often enough, same with negative emotion cliffhangers and of course fact lot of immersive players can be very unforgiving when it comes to their romantic interests does not help as well, and that becomes even worse if a game was not meant or marketed as a romantic game. Even if I hate NTR genre with family members by definition and stay away from games who have it, I sometimes feel pity for devs for how heated it gets.
Especially when they are new to these kind of games, feel always a lot less pity for devs on their third game who think having a LI dp'ed or as a sexual beast that you could not even trust to have your back somewhat outside of sexual situations and betrays MC in a non sexual way in a romantic game makes much sense and will make her more attractive to those romance players.
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They didn't became in love, they were pretending. But while pretending and living with him for a while, real feelings may have surfaced. If you can't forgive them then that's not a game for you. There are hundreds of other ones on this site where only the MC exists and/or is worth the love of the LIs
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The thing is in a romantic game there should also at least be some reason why MC would care for those girls and you as a player are happy they end up with them beyond just as fuck toys. Dev of this game was not able to give those players that and with how things were going it was getting unlikelier he could have, partly due to time inbetween updates. It is not about being the only one per se (though many will still dislike sex scenes shown in game with others), it is in the end about whether as a player you can see them together and MC being happy and preferably the LI as well in that situation as a player, without having to be a super white knight or a cuck that accepts everything and everyone.
That is also problem with most games with sharing, either MC forces his girl to serve some asshole or the sharing options are people that in real life I would not want to have someone I would be in a relation with hang out with for her own safety and mine even in an open relation since complete assholes, pimps or abusers. Even in an open relationship there are consequences to whom you bring home.
Nor with minor family members due to the association they would have with her..... Assholes with an LI are never romantic or fun. Just think how you would react if your ex-wife that you have in principle nothing to do with her sex life anymore would start living together with a convicted sex offender and your minor daughter also lives there or with a drug abuser. Not many people would be happy or start rejoicing and fapping to that idea, so why would that be different in a game where it is the intention they end up together or are in a relation.
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Sure but different strokes for different folks. Even if I RP as the MC, I make the difference between a game and the reality. Games allow to explore things we couldn't or wouldn't do IRL. And if you don't like a game, try a different one, you can't like them all.The thing is in a romantic game there should also at least be some reason why MC would care for those girls and you as a player are happy they end up with them beyond just as fuck toys. Dev of this game was not able to give those players that and with how things were going it was getting unlikelier he could have, partly due to time inbetween updates. It is not about being the only one per se, it is in the end about whether as a player you can see them together and MC being happy in that situation as a player, without having to be a super white knight or a cuck that accepts everything and everyone.
That is also problem with most games with sharing, either MC forces his girl to serve some asshole or the sharing options are people that in real life I would not want to have someone I would be in a relation with hang out with for her own safety and mine even in an open relation since complete assholes, pimps or abusers. Even in an open relationship there are consequences to whom you bring home.
I put "in love" in quotes for a reason. Of course they didn't fall in love with him and just wanted his money. Yeah, sure. They knew him for years, were ready to cut him off just like that because he obviously wasn't that important for any of them, but less than a week was enough to see the real him and fall in love... with his wallet!
The only salvagable character was maybe Gianna, and that's only because she wasn't close with him to begin with, so dropping him for "reasons" wasn't as a big of a deal as it was for the rest. Plus her being a sub and all, makes it more believable to actually fall for him after she get to know him better and see he can fill those... "needs" of her.
The game gives the player the option to drop all four of them right after the vacation, so again you probably played a different game if you say it's not for me if I didn't like them. Plus there were already two more LIs introduced in that trip.
I'm not even going to reply to that last sentence, because that's just part of your "preaching" for whatever reason and you're the only person keeps mentioning something like that.
I get it's been a while since this game got abandoned, but if you don't remember people's actual arguments, you could at least take a quick look in the thread instead of making up some "reasons" of your own.
Now, since you're obviously more interested in pushing your personal agenda (not really useful in an almost dead thread to be honest), instead of having a normal conversation about what's really happening in the game and what people actually complained about in this thread, I'll just stop it right here with the good ol' agree to disagree. Have a good day.
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True, but then as a dev do not mind if people are not happy with what you do either or do not consider your game is romantic and say this is game I want to make and this game is not for you.
That last is fair enough always, when you try to dip in too many differing markets or make your game too interesting/full of drama to all you get into problems though.Just like too many devs do miss the point if you want to really get in depth with the LI's you cannot have 20 of them unless are prepared to let game take 10 years to develop and if slow burn will take years to get to sex.
Probably max 5 and even that is a lot if want them to have real depth beyond being memes.
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I have a feeling, with the way the story played out, the MC was only the MC because some people don't like playing female MC's.
The girl that started trying to set up the harem always seemed like she should have been the MC to me. She was clearly the most important character, the MC was only there to provide the money while she reaped the benefits.
The girl that started trying to set up the harem always seemed like she should have been the MC to me. She was clearly the most important character, the MC was only there to provide the money while she reaped the benefits.
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And? Again if you don't like that, you can play other games when the LIs fall in love with the MC's dick and nothing else.
I didn't play the first release so IDK if the game was badly marketed. But I know I would have liked to continue the story.
But we clearly have different opinions so goodbye.
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Which version do you want? The win/linux ANONFILE is working. You can report the OP noticing the dead links
the latest windows one. im not sure what it is all about but when i use anon files it says banned by govt for child trafficing (philippines)
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Honestly I would have absolutely 0 problems if she was the MC in this. I think it would have been more enjoyable.
Also the only reason I dislike female MCs (obviously I like male MCs more with me being... well a man) is for 2 reasons:
1- The amount of penises in most of them is a turn off, I'm not really looking for a sausage fest and most VNs with a "lesbian" tag is mostly a few scenes in an ocean of dicks.
2- Is because 99% of the VNs have her as a "good" wife/girlfriend or an "innocent" virgin then they just turn into complete sluts by the second chapter doing orgies and gangbangs lol
So a VN with a good story(that is not a sausage fest) with Female MC is something I would 100% enjoy