VN Ren'Py Serenity [Ch. 2 v0.3] [N2TheFire]

[Mayonesa]

My problem is with the incels who honestly believe that a woman should just wait around for a man to respond if they are interested in that man. That's not how anything works, especially for an attractive woman.

The thing you don't seem to see it's that the way Kat acted is weird as fuck. I mean imagine that you say that you love someone and he/she friendzoned you because reasons, if after being rejected you still claim to everyone hearing that you are in love with that person but then proceed to fuck everything that moves, it's not consistent.

When you claim that you love a person, you are there for that person when they need you, as his friend, confidant or what that person need, because you claim that you love him/her. If after you claim that you love that person you proceed to not be there for them because you are busy fucking around then...Yeah she was a 15 years old, yeah she was rejected, but she still claimed that she was in love with the MC, she may have been there for him as a friend, but she was sure busy fucking around.

Besided the point of she fucking around because she couldn't get the MC falls for itself when she can pretty easily get the MC, so yeah she is pretty inconsistent as a character, if you are ok with that good for you. I'm not ok with a character that says she loves the MC but proceed to fuck around before trying too hard to win the MC, he rejected her, but she still was in love with the Mc when she decided to fool around, so she suddently seen a way in when the MC's mom dies and then claiming that she always loved the MC while proceeding to tell him how much experience she had, it doesn't match.

You see things different, great, but you don't need to start calling names, just because people think different than you.

 

[Meridian]

Some might call me an incel, but I prefer to think of myself as a neat and self-respecting person, and at least I'm not a cuckold who doesn't care.
As for this situation, there is a standard move that can explain everything. The girl loved the MC all her life, but he did not return her love, and now her despair has reached such an extent that she decided to put everything on the line and go all-in. deciding that if the hero does not pay attention to her even like this, she will drop her hands and go on. And to do this, she decided to play the role of a spoiled and experienced whore, although in fact not only she isn't experienced in sex, she did not even hold hands with guys (not counting the main character). This way everything will be explained and this character will not be so conflicted in terms of logic.

Yeah, I doubt that. Although due to reference to main characters porn game hobby I also had an idea that she tries to come off as more experienced than she really is because she thinks he will like that. But I really doubt she will be a virgin lol.

 

[paust.alex]

Yeah, I doubt that. Although due to reference to main characters porn game hobby I also had an idea that she tries to come off as more experienced than she really is because she thinks he will like that. But I really doubt she will be a virgin lol.

I didn't know that. To be honest, when I read here that Kat has a boyfriend and no longer a virgin, I got a certain impression about her and I was no longer interested in the story, so I just looked through skip at what is here and what I can do, without even reading the text. However, this fact very harmoniously complements my theory. I can even swear that I saw something like this somewhere - there the hero too was very much interested in porn games, so the girl also began to play them in secret, and then decided to play the role of one of the heroines of these games, so that the hero finally paid attention to her, and also she was a virgin.
Although, I'm afraid that her role will be limited to a kind of procuress who will help the MC to build a harem, because she is very experienced.

 

[c4145317]

I think Kat would be a fine character if she wasn't a love interest, people do move on after all. Main issue is that she's a combination of childhood friend and town bike, who didn't move on after five years of thottery. She's also, arguably, "first girl". As first girls tend to dominate screen time and affect the flow of harem stories she is a very controversial first girl.

I'm not trying to tell you how to write your story, but if it were mine and I wanted to "fix" it I think I'd let Kat be her own character and see if I could insert her younger infatuated sister into the plots I already had for Kat.

 

[Demoness_Kiss]

N2TheFire

we're debating because we care(someone cares a lot, others don't give a damn...but we care enough to comment), this is the birth of a fandom(small or big, still a fandom) and when controversial things happen the fandom reacts by debating and making questions ^_^

 

[Meridian]

You didn't need near as many words as you used to declare yourself an incel.

Do you really have to turn this thread into cesspool by going "hurr durr you are incel" in your every post? This name calling doesnt help anyone and only creates negativity. Can you go do that on twitter or something?

 

[Marcope]

My god. They're 20 years old. For the last 5 years the MC's mother was dying of cancer. The MC had no interest in her that way, he specifically mentions it in the game. Expecting a girl to spend her primary social teenage years pining after a guy who does not reciprocate the feelings is the ultimate in incel behavior. Period.

Pro tip: If you don't respond to a girl she will find someone else, despite feelings. If you believe anything else you're deceiving yourself.

You can do what you want, a girl or boy can move on and then proceed to fuck the town if they want, but if you don't move on, like Kat, and still say that you love the MC and things like that, but then you bang half the town, it's not a normal way of acting.

Besides she later has her way with the MC without problems, so she didn't try too much to be with the person she "loves". If after she was rejected she decided to move on, meaning not loving the MC more, then there wouldn't be a problem, the problem is, that she says she loves the MC, always had and then goes to bang guys because she couldn't get the MC, but when the mother dies she gets the MC without problem...That's not how someone that says that is in love with other acts, no matter if they have 15, 25, 50, 80 years, if you claim to love someone, at least try to get with that person, if after that he rejects you and you don't move on, then fucking around while claiming that you love the MC it's absurd.

 

[Demoness_Kiss]

the only way to stop this debate and waiting for the dev to announce "Shut up and wait for the next update where i'll make some explanation"

 

[Marcope]

So what your saying is you think she should have waited like a dutiful little girl while the MC didn't reciprocate feelings? Hmmm?

Did you even read what I or other said? or you are to busy calling people "incels" to even read?

If you make a character that says it's in love with the MC, he rejects her, and she still is in love with the MC, then she going around fucking other guys it's not something a person in love would do. If I love someone, I don't go fucking every person but that one I love, maybe you are different who knows.

 

[Marcope]

Pretty sure the members here have made it perfectly clear how they feel. There was no need to ask the public what they think. I have most of you trying to tell me how I should write it already. I know this is my first game and all, and I knew I wasn't going to be some big popular AVN star dev overnight, I don't claim to be a pro yet... but some comments here were just blatantly harsh. So yeah, I chose to ask those who already support me to give me their thoughts. I was advised not to let things here get to me, but they do. I don't just listen to my patrons either. I have read and listened to everything that has been said here and other places and taken notes of these things. I do not place more value on my patrons than you. After all, if I can transform some of you into fans, then who knows... you may decide to support also.
Obviously, I failed you guys on Kat. Some would disagree with you (and have)... which leg do I stand on here? Frankly... no matter how I approach this issue, someone won't be happy. I can't possibly please every person here. I will handle the situation as best I can in the next update. I am not sure how yet but have a few ideas. Taking Kat out of the story or even giving you the choice to leave her completely changes a ton of main plot stuff I had already written that no one knows about yet. So taking her out isn't really an option for me. But I can alter some things in the first release. Maybe clean up things a bit and set things in a direction most will be happy (happier) with. We'll see. Don't ever think I don't care what you think here just because I choose to ask patrons something. Its false. Remove the harsh attitudes from this end also... it serves no purpose but attempt to derail me and bring my spirits down. I love doing this. I'm not in it for the money alone. All of you are just as important to me. So... peace? And I'll get back to the drawing board. Time to reset and make this happen because I know I have a good story here.

Yeah sorry if I was harsh, it wasn't my intention, I may be over sensitive with devs listening to only patreons, and even just a little part of them, not all of them. Like the dev of foot of the montain, who made a NTR unavoidable scene a few releases back, because a patreon asked him about it and since he was paying he made that scene, then promised to never do Ntr again, but because some patreon asked him to put NTR he is now putting more or planning to, or like the deliverance dev, who made/was asked to put a path with the wife "sharing" that with every updates seems more and more like NTR, the wife fucking around while the husband (MC) watches them and don't participate like in the first updates of that "path" and so on.

So when I saw people complaining about the way a character acts, and having good points like she is inconsistent and things like that, and instead of answering to the complaints here, you go and proceed to make a patreon post, well, it brought me flashbacks about devs caring/only listening to patreons, or a part of them.

So again sorry if I was harsh, I'm not sure I was that harsh but if you feel like I was attacking you or something, then I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention.

 

[Learsodin]

Did you even read what I or other said? or you are to busy calling people "incels" to even read?

If you make a character that says it's in love with the MC, he rejects her, and she still is in love with the MC, then she going around fucking other guys it's not something a person in love would do. If I love someone, I don't go fucking every person but that one I love, maybe you are different who knows.

i just put this guy in the "ignore list", it's better than read every shit this guy posts.

 

[kantigura]

I can't believe that grown adults(assuming) are trading insults and having moral debates about a character in a game on a pirate porn site. At the end of the day neither side is going to change the others view, no matter how loud they type in here. It really comes down to one question; do you like the content? If yes, then enjoy the story and see where it takes you. If not find a game that has content you enjoy. I personally don't like NTR so I avoid games with it and find games with content I like. In the end that is a lot more entertaining, than getting mad at devs over their game, or fighting with each other with no future of any resolution.

 

[Eoin]

Keep the arguments and off topic posts out of here. Take it to PM's.

Don't be a dick.

 

[punion]

I'm just gonna say I love your attitude. Towards the game, and towards the audience as well.

I didn't play the game yet, but just reading the comments almost made me a patreon. Yeah, I'm simping for the dev, get over it.


All advice I could give you has already been said. Keep up the good work and attitude, I think you'll get far with it.

 

[Meridian]

I didn't know that. To be honest, when I read here that Kat has a boyfriend and no longer a virgin, I got a certain impression about her and I was no longer interested in the story, so I just looked through skip at what is here and what I can do, without even reading the text. However, this fact very harmoniously complements my theory. I can even swear that I saw something like this somewhere - there the hero too was very much interested in porn games, so the girl also began to play them in secret, and then decided to play the role of one of the heroines of these games, so that the hero finally paid attention to her, and also she was a virgin.
Although, I'm afraid that her role will be limited to a kind of procuress who will help the MC to build a harem, because she is very experienced.

I guess Kath being inexperienced is a valid theory after all. I just immediately brushed it off because it feels diabetes level sweet. But its hard to tell with her. The way she sounded when she told mc "Haha, I love virgins" you would think she fucked a few but when she gives mc blowjob she asks him if it feels good as if its her first time doing that. Is it just a weird writing or deliberate foreshadowing? Only timenext update will tell.

 

[N2TheFire]

Yeah sorry if I was harsh, it wasn't my intention, I may be over sensitive with devs listening to only patreons, and even just a little part of them, not all of them. Like the dev of foot of the montain, who made a NTR unavoidable scene a few releases back, because a patreon asked him about it and since he was paying he made that scene, then promised to never do Ntr again, but because some patreon asked him to put NTR he is now putting more or planning to, or like the deliverance dev, who made/was asked to put a path with the wife "sharing" that with every updates seems more and more like NTR, the wife fucking around while the husband (MC) watches them and don't participate like in the first updates of that "path" and so on.

So when I saw people complaining about the way a character acts, and having good points like she is inconsistent and things like that, and instead of answering to the complaints here, you go and proceed to make a patreon post, well, it brought me flashbacks about devs caring/only listening to patreons, or a part of them.

So again sorry if I was harsh, I'm not sure I was that harsh but if you feel like I was attacking you or something, then I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention.

It wasn't exactly you or just you. Anyway, let's forget this drama. My first game on here went to shit fast. There is a new public update. I hope it will be a good compromise. Suggest to start over if you play. Have to figure out how to update the thread though, still new at this stuff on the forum.

 

[Mayonesa]

There is a new public update. I hope it will be a good compromise. Suggest to start over if you play. Have to figure out how to update the thread though, still new at this stuff on the forum.

I think that the new update was a great thing. Now Kat instead of trying to be a mix between the childhood friend who was in love all the time with the MC and a slut, is now in the role of childhood friend who has a crush on the MC and acts on it.

So yeah, I really like the changes, I hope we don't find more girls like her original idea was, because I don't like incoherent girls. As long as you don't have more scenes where the girls talks about how experienced they were, even in thoughts, or they don't mention their past lovers (even if it must be hard because the world was literally made for the MC, so the girls there having sex experience would be hard) like the Brad thing in your original update, as long as you don't have that going on and don't have characters that aren't believable it should be a great game.

So good job on the fix, I really like the new Kat because she is coherent and believable as a character.

 

[Alex Lem]

N2TheFire I'm glad that everything is settled with Katherine, and that everyone is now ready to give her a second chance, including me, and looking forward to the release of V. 0. 3. And I'm very glad that you chose this direction for her character. By the way, take some notes from "Harem Island", there are almost no male characters in the game, except for the MC, and all the romances turned out to be more or less believable with pregnancies at the end. What a good ending without pregnancy, right? And I really liked how the dev of that game used the main villain, and that after her facade fell down she become very possessive of MC. So far, the plot of your game more intriguing, but both games are similar in the fact that you're one guy with a bunch of beautiful girls in one place, who will come through the mission to achieve love of all the girls. I just don't want the game to turn into a fuckfest and be more in the direction of love, no need to rush. Also, A House In the Rift is a good example. In General, there are a lot of similar games, but pay attention to the pros of these games and push away the cons. And also try to add something new and your own to your game which has not been done in similar games yet and you will succeed, good luck

 

[Meridian]

I think I prefer old Kath, even if it didnt feel that good at the start there was more potential for later. But thats just me preferring spice over sugar. And its not really a big deal since sweet Kath is very endearing and adorable. Maybe a little too much even. It feels like writing tries way too hard to empathize how reserved she is with trembling and "pls dont think I am a slut" and other stuff. A bit more subtle approach would be good but I guess its a minor nitpick.

Really nice that "I love you" stuff was cut out. The longer it takes for main character to come to that the more sense his background will make. And now instead of saying I love you in passing there is a chance for a much more touching and romantic scene later when he says those words to Kath. Will be nice to see how much those words will mean to her.

Overall its pretty hard to say if the changes are for better or worse without knowing spoilers and how it was supposed to go down in original version. But I guess since Kath comes off as kind of main girl in future harem(thats just the impression you can get from game right now, no idea if its correct) from a success standpoint it makes sense to play it safe with her.

 

[tanstaafl]

I think I prefer old Kath, even if it didnt feel that good at the start there was more potential for later. But thats just me preferring spice over sugar. And its not really a big deal since sweet Kath is very endearing and adorable. Maybe a little too much even. It feels like writing tries way too hard to empathize how reserved she is with trembling and "pls dont think I am a slut" and other stuff. A bit more subtle approach would be good but I guess its a minor nitpick.

I definitely prefer the old Kath, but I get the change. So many people were so upset that someone might have conflicting feelings and had been with another man that I'm sure N2 just didn't want to deal with the hassle. Some people just don't know what they're missing.