VN Ren'Py Sinful Life [Ep.10] [BoomX]

[eddie987]

So in short we have another case of a Dev who wants to make a harem game but is clueless about what a harem game is.

Sounds more like it's a 'negative' Harem game (Reverse Harem means something else I guess). BTW 'Negative' harem is in NO WAY, SHAPE or FORM a term that I just made up, right here and now to sound smart (sarcasm).

By Negative Harem, I mean that there is a group of girls surrounding the MC (which is 'harem' normal).

However, in a 'negative' Harem, they are all doing sexy, lewd things with everyone except the MC. While the MC himself is actively working to remove and lessen the girls from his life.

Nah, he gets actions, but it's only with sidechicks. The main girls tease and blueball him so far.

My best guess is that he'll eventually end up with a polyamorous (fake) harem with the girls getting more action with each other, because he finds it "hot" and most of them are bisexual...

We already have an established lesbian couple, which supposedly has problems, but the MC helped so they can get it on with each other... There was also a truth or dare game with the MC daring the girls to kiss or grope each other half the time...

I think the dev wants to create a game where everyone fucks everyone and added harem in the future tags because it's technically correct (or at least within the site's rules) and it obviously sells more. I've already listed a few of the love interests'... "traits".

• Already in a lesbian relationship
• Trying to hook her up with her step son (will get him an incest tag too...)
• Starting a job in the adult industry
• Wants to "experiment"

There are also no meaningful choices in the game. You get a choice about trusting Scarlett (probably the main girl) which might be the only important one, but doesn't change anything in the story so far, picking truth or dare with the same outcome in the end, choosing if Scarlett's girlfriend has a dick or not and if you'll hook up with a sidechick for a second time...

 

[EZ8lt]

I second Eddies comment completely. Especially with Scarlett, who says she starts to develop feelings for Violet already. That is writing yourself into a corner, because turning that around either will take a long time, or it will feel rushed, which is sort of is already. The Violet scenes in itself are already done weirdly imo, during the first meeting you can choose her being shemale or not, but no choice giving her the happy end, because the MC thinks that is the best way to get close?

 

[HansDampf788]

Nah, he gets actions, but it's only with sidechicks. The main girls tease and blueball him so far.

My best guess is that he'll eventually end up with a polyamorous (fake) harem with the girls getting more action with each other, because he finds it "hot" and most of them are bisexual...

We already have an established lesbian couple, which supposedly has problems, but the MC helped so they can get it on with each other... There was also a truth or dare game with the MC daring the girls to kiss or grope each other half the time...

I think the dev wants to create a game where everyone fucks everyone and added harem in the future tags because it's technically correct (or at least within the site's rules) and it obviously sells more. I've already listed a few of the love interests'... "traits".

• Already in a lesbian relationship
• Trying to hook her up with her step son (will get him an incest tag too...)
• Starting a job in the adult industry
• Wants to "experiment"

There are also no meaningful choices in the game. You get a choice about trusting Scarlett (probably the main girl) which might be the only important one, but doesn't change anything in the story so far, picking truth or dare with the same outcome in the end, choosing if Scarlett's girlfriend has a dick or not and if you'll hook up with a sidechick for a second time...

Those are a lot of things that I don't like in a harem game.

Let me rephrase my previous comment, another Dev who doesn't know what the general harem player wants in a harem game.


Here are a few tips for the Dev on how to make a harem game.
- MC is the only guy that gets his dick wet.
- a true harem that is centered around the MC and not a poly relationship.
- don't make all girls bisexual because porn logic, not everyone who plays harem games is into lesbian sex.
- if there are bisexual girls in the game don't have sex scenes with just them before they are part of the harem.
- don't have the MC help other people get in relationships even if it doesn't work
- harem players don't like NTR/sharing/swinging(other dudes) and voyeurism if it is another guy having sex with a girl even if she is not a LI for the MC, it's just a pointless sex scene.
- don't have a LI being a sex worker (prostitute, stripper, camgirl).

 

[CainKova]

It would be nice if the developer would allow us to pick our own choices in some scenes instead getting forced to do what the mc does that's the problem with this game.

Yeah the game looks like a bad harem anime.

 

[Johnny Bravo.]

Yeah the game looks like a bad harem anime.

Indeed it is so I'll be skipping this game.

 

[eddie987]

eddie987 Thank you for your thoughts. You are correct in a way. Scarett is in a casual relationship and I wanted to make a transition to MC in a few steps. This will happen in the next episodes.

Again, helping Violet bang her shows the exact opposite... Especially when the MC keeps thinking how hot that is!

Emma = that was what she said, but won't go that way
James = you won't have to share your girls with him
Alison = nope, why she is doing what she does has a different explanation

Here's the thing. You know where the story goes, but we don't. We only get snippets of it with each update and we're trying to put them together.
When a girl says she's too young for a committed relationship and she wants to "experiment", we don't have any reasons to think otherwise. The same goes with the MC telling someone he's gonna help him bang his step mom. Why would he lie about it? When a girl tells us her new job requires lingerie and nude photos in sexy poses, no one is going to think it's some kind of secretarial work...
Not everything is as it seems, but when multiple things are put together, they are starting to form a pattern and this one isn't very flattering (in my completely subjective opinion) when it comes to the women in the game.

But from all your replies I get the point. Will write the mods to remove this tag and hope this would not decide anybody here.

I didn't want to make these mistakes and checked the tag list and its definition, but I guess I misunderstood it.
Harem [1 person being courted by at least 3 others, all engaging in consensual sex simultaneously.]

https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2021-05-02.10394/

No, you're right about that. It is technically a harem, at least according to the site's rules, since the MC has sexual relationships with at least three women, but not what most harem players expect.

Anyway, in the end you should do whatever you want, even if some of us won't like it. The only reason I bothered writing my thoughts is because I actually liked the game when it was first released, but now with every update it's getting more obvious it's not for me and it really doesn't have to be. I still like the idea behind it and the story in general, but at this point I have no interest in any of the main girls for the reasons I mentioned and that's kind of important when it comes to adult games... To be honest I'm not very fond of the MC either right now.

 

[JC07]

A harem game where Mc is fucking Hitch the love counselor, WTF? Worst idea for a game that has a harem planned, who in the hell is going to push girls on others in harem games?

It would be the case of putting some choices at least, "help NPC X to have sex with NPC Y" or "Don't help, get it for yourself later." At least then you would have two routes where harem players could play and the guys who like sharing/NTR can also have fun.

Seriously dear DEV, if you want your game to appeal to the harem fan class, stop making the MC a fucking love counselor and pushing girls on other people(instead, come back and give us the choice to help these relationships or not so we can get involved with the girls in the future, I understood that even if we help someone's relationship we can still keep them in the end, but we don't want to push our girls to others and get leftovers in the end, leftovers that we are guilty of), this is more like NTR/sharing games where the MC pushes his girl to get fucked by other men. And that will never please the mass fan harem.

 

[CainKova]

A harem game where Mc is fucking Hitch the love counselor, WTF? Worst idea for a game that has a harem planned, who in the hell is going to push girls on others in harem games?

It would be the case of putting some choices at least, "help NPC X to have sex with NPC Y" or "Don't help, get it for yourself later." At least then you would have two routes where harem players could play and the guys who like sharing/NTR can also have fun.

Seriously dear DEV, if you want your game to appeal to the harem fan class, stop making the MC a fucking love counselor and pushing girls on other people(instead, come back and give us the choice to help these relationships or not so we can get involved with the girls in the future, I understood that even if we help someone's relationship we can still keep them in the end, but we don't want to push our girls to others and get leftovers in the end, leftovers that we are guilty of), this is more like NTR/sharing games where the MC pushes his girl to get fucked by other men. And that will never please the mass fan harem.

Yeah, if you gonna make a sharing game make that obvious, this is not a game, is a prank for harem fans.

 

[AryanKarthick]

Sngo
Ntr/sharing/swinging tags = can't stress enough, this will be your choice (if I would do it again I would avoid it as the heat from these tags are strong - didn't know there are such strong feelings about them even if they are skippable )

Make up your mind whether sharing / swinging is avoidable ( where we can prevent it from happening ) or skippable ( it happens we can choose not to see ) and how it is avoidable when are there dialogues of sharing with James ? And add sharing / swinging tags in the planned tags so those who are not into it can avoid the game . I had to find in the thread search after I finished playing the game , If I had known that sharing is planned , I would have skipped the game .

 

[Cotytto]

Don't think because a LI is banged by female LI, it isn't NTR. I could name one instance right off the top of my head of that happening in another game and it got the tag. Just because you write that the MC finds it "hot" will not avoid it either.

Lots of people take it quite seriously (I know, it's a game yadda yadda). Their will be a cease in support by some when sudden NTR appears if they didn't know about it beforehand.

Not telling you what to do with your game dev, just telling you to be honest and upfront about what it currently has and will include in the future. You'll have far fewer headaches that way.

 

[Pizzapockets]

Sex scene's NEED descriptive dialog. I got to the cafe blowjob and it was just animations no descriptive text which caused it to be over in 3 clicks please tell me this gets fixed in later sex scenes. if I wanted to watch something I would be, you need good renders and be good written erotica for this games to be worthwhile not just one or the other

 

[Nelson4ever]

eddie987
James = you won't have to share your girls with him

Sharing = A minor part of the game + AVOIDABLE
Swinging = It's more of a scene in one of the future episodes, maybe should leave it out of the genre list. Also AVOIDABLE.

Are you saying other than Nancy , other love interests will also be shared with James ?
What happened to your previous post that said sharing / swinging will be a minor part of this game , now sharing seems to be the main focus in this game . And all planned tags seems to be removed ? I don't know how some people will react when you introduce sharing in the future chapters .

 

[SeveredRealms]

Are you saying other than Nancy , other love interests will also be shared with James ?
What happened to your previous post that said sharing / swinging will be a minor part of this game , now sharing seems to be the main focus in this game . And all planned tags seems to be removed ? I don't know how some people will react when you introduce sharing in the future chapters .

this will depend on the player. if they read the thread they will probably avoid the game right of and not waste their time if they dont... expect a war zone to erupt in the thread and a dev trying to do damage control and remove or add choices to avoid those current paths which should have already started but instead he is ignoring the early warning signs.

 

[Chimba]

I only played the 1 version when it was black and white, but now looking at the thread again, this game really had change (and I'm not talking about that now it is in color ) I see that they eliminated the planned tags, the Mc only has sex with secondary characters, while he helps the main LI to fuck with other npc? (Cuck much?)so the lesbian tag is missing by the way and surely the sharing one, as many are saying, since if there is a lesbian couple, the mc for sure is the 3 wheel and they are the ones who do the sharing or swingin haha (then the planned tag of Incest was not because of the MC but because of James? Man I feel like I was scammed )

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[Osamabeenfappin]

Dude, the key word is previous which is not the case here. Scarlett says she has problems with her current relationship and in this last update we actually helped Violet bang her!

Now, I wasn't the one who mentioned the harem thing, but so far all you're doing is making the girls the exact opposite of harem material.

Let's start with Emma who instantly talks about wanting to experiment and how she's too young to be in a committed relationship, then you have Nancy where the MC pretty much told James he'll help him bang her in exchange for his computer skills... Alison has a new job opportunity that apparently requires completely nude pics, which translates to "adult industry" even if it doesn't involve sex and finally for some reason you massage Scarlett to a point she starts moaning and then Violet tells you how she's going to "finish it" from that point forward... Helping others bang the love interests doesn't really scream harem or "all for MC only" as you put it.
Also, we don't know if she banged her? Seriously? Even if you ingore the "I will finish it here" comment, here's the last thing the MC sees before he leaves...

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I've heard people talking about deep tissue massage, but I'm pretty sure that's not what they mean...
Unless you mean we don't know if she put on the strapon...

Who's left? Some sidechicks and Lexi...

Well I'm glad I fucked off after the LAST update.

 

[Gunizz]

Sorry, but where are episodes 1 and 2? Or it's just a bad title (it often happens in this forum) and in the same file are included episodes 1-3? There should be a note on the first post. Techstar

 

[Nerttu]

Sorry, but where are episodes 1 and 2? Or it's just a bad title (it often happens in this forum) and in the same file are included episodes 1-3? There should be a note on the first post. Techstar

Yeah, they are included !!!!!

 

[Havenless_]

Well, the people have spoken. And they've been clear.

It seems to me that you can get good feedback from the comments. Both for good, and for bad. So far, the game offers the perfect atmosphere for all the characters to fuck with other people with the help of the MC. And the protagonist's reward for this will be... Fucking all the girls once they have been fucked by other people.

If you want to continue the story the way it is, you may need to focus on another audience. Which is respectable, of course.
If you want to focus on a harem audience, frankly it seems to me that there are a lot of mistakes to be corrected. And you have to do that if you want to go this route. Either option is valid. You just need to know clearly and, preferably, let us know.

I want to point out another very important thing, although it has already been mentioned several times.

One of the biggest flaws (in my opinion) is the lack of options, decisions, choices. I agree that there are fetishes that should not be mixed with harem like NTR, sharing, swinging. Look at the number of games that have tried it. The vast majority fail. And the ones that get it like, implement it in completely different routes. They don't mix it up.

- "Sharing is avoidable/optional, don't worry."
1.- So, from the get-go, give us the option to tell James to fuck off and we won't help him fuck his stepmom because we will be the one to romance her. Give us the option of not broaching that subject with him, of not telling him about it. When will it be avoidable, then? When James is about to penetrate his stepmom thanks to our help but then the MC interrupts them and we have the option of letting them continue or interrupting them? At this rate, it looks like it will be something like that. And, as eddie987 rightly said, according to the rules, this warrants the incest tag. But, oh, surprise! It doesn't involve the MC. It's legal, yes, but it's playing dirty. lol

2.- Then give us the option of telling Violet not to touch Scarlett because the MC is interested in her, instead of helping her fuck her. Instead of making us see that the MC thinks anything involving a naked girl is incredibly sexy. Whether it's a kiss between two girls or another man fucking one of our girls.

Not to mention the incredibly overplayed tropes that all girls are bisexual and work in the adult industry. (Pornstar, camgirl, selling nudes, stripper).

Maybe it's just me, but when a similar plot, where the MC is the supposed hero and must investigate the death of some relative, what I want to do is romance all the available girls, help them and get revenge by being a son of a bitch to those responsible for the relative's death. Not make other people fuck the girls, nor being an wimp or a jerk. I want to feel like the fucking hero of the story. This MC is somewhat uncool, which seems to focus only on sex (other people's, lol).

 

[Porthas]

Well, the people have spoken. And they've been clear.

It seems to me that you can get good feedback from the comments. Both for good, and for bad. So far, the game offers the perfect atmosphere for all the characters to fuck with other people with the help of the MC. And the protagonist's reward for this will be... Fucking all the girls once they have been fucked by other people.

If you want to continue the story the way it is, you may need to focus on another audience. Which is respectable, of course.
If you want to focus on a harem audience, frankly it seems to me that there are a lot of mistakes to be corrected. And you have to do that if you want to go this route. Either option is valid. You just need to know clearly and, preferably, let us know.

I want to point out another very important thing, although it has already been mentioned several times.

One of the biggest flaws (in my opinion) is the lack of options, decisions, choices. I agree that there are fetishes that should not be mixed with harem like NTR, sharing, swinging. Look at the number of games that have tried it. The vast majority fail. And the ones that get it like, implement it in completely different routes. They don't mix it up.

- "Sharing is avoidable/optional, don't worry."
1.- So, from the get-go, give us the option to tell James to fuck off and we won't help him fuck his stepmom because we will be the one to romance her. Give us the option of not broaching that subject with him, of not telling him about it. When will it be avoidable, then? When James is about to penetrate his stepmom thanks to our help but then the MC interrupts them and we have the option of letting them continue or interrupting them? At this rate, it looks like it will be something like that. And, as eddie987 rightly said, according to the rules, this warrants the incest tag. But, oh, surprise! It doesn't involve the MC. It's legal, yes, but it's playing dirty. lol

2.- Then give us the option of telling Violet not to touch Scarlett because the MC is interested in her, instead of helping her fuck her. Instead of making us see that the MC thinks anything involving a naked girl is incredibly sexy. Whether it's a kiss between two girls or another man fucking one of our girls.

Not to mention the incredibly overplayed tropes that all girls are bisexual and work in the adult industry. (Pornstar, camgirl, selling nudes, stripper).

Maybe it's just me, but when a similar plot, where the MC is the supposed hero and must investigate the death of some relative, what I want to do is romance all the available girls, help them and get revenge by being a son of a bitch to those responsible for the relative's death. Not make other people fuck the girls, nor being an wimp or a jerk. I want to feel like the fucking hero of the story. This MC is somewhat uncool, which seems to focus only on sex (other people's, lol).

Agreed 100%.

Dev, it seems there's some tags missing, and the tags don't match up when previewing this thread vs pulling up the thread. One says there's futa/trans (which I'm not interested in) and the other doesn't mention that at all. It also doesn't mention sharing or swinging or whatever is being described by the person I'm quoting in this post.

I'm for Clearly Labeling Your Game, dear Dev. Please do so. It would also be nice to label planned tags or content. I'm all for folks getting games with stuff they want in it, even if it's stuff I'm not interested in. If I see labels or tags I'm not interested in, I'll simply skip over the game. If I get into a game and there's stuff in it I'm not expecting, that will generate some ill will in the future.

 

[HansDampf788]

It would also be nice to label planned tags or content.

There were future tags until today but the Dev got them removed after the negative feedback, if you want to know which tags were removed from the OP check the spoiler.

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