IG88a

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To my suggestion, it's also a return to form of the initial scope of the game.

As Fow thought it up, the game was supposed to be about raping women with monsters to breed more monsters for your monster army.
Now thats at home here, and what all the comics are about, but that initial idea doesn't exactly get past the censors and doesn't sit well in this "climate" of political correctness and other such pearl clutching at power fantasy escapism.

"You are the mantics" fixes all that.
And makes you an actual faction with a chance at actually taking down the "empire." Playing right into the "empire" main race maintaining their psyonic powers through sexual purity and all the rest of the lore fluff for why you are fighting for Truth and justice and SEX accross the galaxy.

Typically a "macguffin" is the reason here for why game. You should have done something wacky as a space adventurer in the intro that made you the progentor of the mantics. Easy one, You stole it from the space pirates, who stole it from fortune, who stole it from the empire, who made it as a god weapon to subjugate their own species who's powers come from abstaining from sex.
When cornered you use it on yourself and now Fortune and this whole plan to overthrow the empire falls on your shoulders.

Then as the roguishly handsome and handsomely roguish (under the panties) captain, you get to be the humanizing mouth piece of this hive faction and convince the ladies of the galaxy they want to fuck you for the cause.

Your army grows with more units, made slowly by Lily or the old fashioned way through monster rape, and thats why the first faction you go after is the fuckbots
They aren't people, have no agency, and it isn't rape. You capture a fuckload of them and they clone you a bigboy army of mantics.
Sidebar: Imagine Demi as the niave and sweet AI queen at the heart of the sexbot menace and absorbing their faction as a first galaxy arc. Setting a pattern of earning your "waifus" through the core combat mechanics.

Ideally then comes VN relationsim mechanics of convincing your crew and captured enemies to bear your mantic children, sending videos of it out across the internet to proselytize the benefits of mantic sex, but sticking to the limited mechanical scope of subverse you can make this all happen as part of the linear narrative through cutscene.

Bottom line as the overarching meta plot, the empire falls into shambles over the course of the game because of the threat and pornagraphic propaganda of your sex positive, giant dick having, swarm faction that directly neutralizes the core imperial races psyonics. All because their ground forces want to fuck the mantics they're fighting.

There you have wrapped up with a nice little bow the game they actually wanted to make, but with their ducks in a row about
1. Global framing of sex content being the player with the female characters
2. Narratively suported core mechanic of the Mantic on X they wanted to animate
3. all sex is consensual

And if it sounds like this, or any, or the released version of Subverse would make hell of a lot more sense as an RTS instead of xcom-bullethell, it's because it does.

They always wanted to make an "Overlord" style game. Instead we got subverse due to the constraints of normies and their inability to write or game design around them.
 
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Zeddy

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A lot of energy spent trying to convince others to dislike stuff. I don't think the problems here warrant this many drama posts. If I am wary of something and want to share that; I try to keep it concise to not waste people's time. For what problems this game's development does have, there are plenty of other, more serious things currently happening in the world to be this upset about and try to change. This game is unimportant enough to ignore if you don't like it. It would be cool if this passion shown in this thread was used on more constructive things.
 

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A lot of energy spent trying to convince others to dislike stuff. I don't think the problems here warrant this many drama posts. If I am wary of something and want to share that; I try to keep it concise to not waste people's time. For what problems this game's development does have, there are plenty of other, more serious things currently happening in the world to be this upset about and try to change. This game is unimportant enough to ignore if you don't like it. It would be cool if this passion shown in this thread was used on more constructive things.
Made me think of this


But no ones spending any energy on trying to prove the game is bad or convince people to not like it. The game being bad in it's current form is self evident. The "drama" stems out of no one defending the game or even thinking it's good, but wanting to shut down discussion all the same.

These dogged "defenders" aren't arguing for the game on it's strengths. Things like the voice actresses putting in a great job. The technical merits of the premium scenes long enough to watch. Not even where they personally think the game should go to generate some positive speculative posting. There are plenty of highly critical reviews that have went far deeper into what works about subverse than subversefan69 and co. ever have 'defending" the game.

Just nonstop kvetching whenever anyone offers their perception that the game is bad, much less brings up a problem they have with a specific mechanic. Well you're not allowed to feel that because the game is early access, only a .0000001, because you should just trust them as professionals, because they're a small studio and should be given the benefit of the doubt, beca...
Endless, shameless duplicitous bad faith posts to shut down discussion, backfiring when someone interrupts their circlejerking like on dev moderated social media. Limping away and waiting or forum sliding the next page to start up another attempt to consensus crack F95 into the opinion that until the game is "out" no one can have an opinion.
 

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I still like the game in it's current form (which is btw in EARLY ACCESS and not even 50% compete) what are you gonna do? lynch me? lol at the people here complaining ad infinitum when most of you all won't even BUY IT when it gets completed! spouting crap like ''HuRr DuRr GAmE iS rEusIng AsSeTs fRoM anOthEr GaMe!'' and you jack off to the same reused assets in any Renpy game here like what?! GTFO here :p:LOL::ROFLMAO:
 
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IG88a

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I still like the game in it's current form (which is btw in EARLY ACCESS and not even 50% compete) what are you gonna do? lynch me? lol at the people here complaining ad infinitum when most of you all won't even BUY IT when it gets completed! spouting crap like ''HuRr DuRr GAmE iS rEusIng AsSeTs fRoM anOthEr GaMe!'' and you jack off to the same reused assets in any Renpy game here like what?! GTFO here :p:LOL::ROFLMAO:
"Well you're not allowed to feel that because the game is early access"
womp womp
Fiery post and yet conspicuously absent... articulating why he likes the game, let alone why anyone should like the game, yet still indignantly saying everyone else must reserve judgement as if this wasn't a game and studio handed over two million dollars upfront only to release incomplete and over a year late. :HideThePain:

The dual opinion of "You won't even buy the game" and "it's fine if they pirated honey select models from illusion" is pretty humorous. Usually something that hypocritical goes in different posts at the least.
 
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Let me just Ask something before you guys continue to argue...
When will there be an update? any news?
 

arpaschad

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"Well you're not allowed to feel that because the game is early access"
womp womp
Fiery post and yet conspicuously absent... articulating why he likes the game, let alone why anyone should like the game, yet still indignantly saying everyone else must reserve judgement as if this wasn't a game and studio handed over two million dollars upfront only to release incomplete and over a year late. :HideThePain:

The dual opinion of "You won't even buy the game" and "it's fine if they pirated honey select models from illusion" is pretty humorous. Usually something that hypocritical goes in different posts at the least.
then don't freaking play it! XDXD it's as if your incessant whining at an EA game will MAGICALLY make it have all the features you DEMAND and make it finish instantly! And you're always spouting the ''HuRr DuRr Mah Two MilLion!!!'' as if the devs didn't DO ANYTHING with that money? lol



OH MY GOD! WHAT'S THIS? THEY ARE STILL ROLLING UPDATES? I THOUGHT THIS GAME IS DEAD AND AN UNREDEEMABLE GARBAGE! HOW DARE THEY SHOW THAT THEY ARE USING THE 2 MILLION TO DEVELOP THE GAME!
 

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Let me just Ask something before you guys continue to argue...
When will there be an update? any news?
They give us monthly reports, you can see them either here: or the game's steam page (which depending on where you live, you might not be able to see.
 

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Forget the Pandora stuff, I'm more concerned with how long it will take for us to get the full game? At the rate they're going this game won't be finished till like 2023/2024 and by then, will this game even have anywhere near the same amount of excitement for it as it did during opening launch?

I would have preferred playing this game all at once even if it was released a year or two from now instead of playing a quarter of the game now then having to wait like a year for the next quarter.
 

Joshua Tree

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Forget the Pandora stuff, I'm more concerned with how long it will take for us to get the full game? At the rate they're going this game won't be finished till like 2023/2024 and by then, will this game even have anywhere near the same amount of excitement for it as it did during opening launch?

I would have preferred playing this game all at once even if it was released a year or two from now instead of playing a quarter of the game now then having to wait like a year for the next quarter.
So why didn't you just wait until its done then? How early access games progress is no secret. If people expected content to drop at same rate the average monthly some renpy games toss out, that on them though..
 

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Forget the Pandora stuff, I'm more concerned with how long it will take for us to get the full game? At the rate they're going this game won't be finished till like 2023/2024 and by then, will this game even have anywhere near the same amount of excitement for it as it did during opening launch?

I would have preferred playing this game all at once even if it was released a year or two from now instead of playing a quarter of the game now then having to wait like a year for the next quarter.
You are welcome to wait, just note that buying the game would cost 30 USD now, and the full game 40. I know that's not saying much considering where we are, but buying in lets you support the devs, and have an actual voice in their respective feedback channels.

Otherwise, critiques are just kinda bouncing off a wall here.
 

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I enjoyed the game, but it felt linear and had a lack of content I didn't expect for the price tag put on this game. Right now it would need at least 10-20 more hours of new non repetitive game play/scenes. If I was judging this game with the price tag included I'd give it a 5/10.
 

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I enjoyed the game, but it felt linear and had a lack of content I didn't expect for the price tag put on this game. Right now it would need at least 10-20 more hours of new non repetitive game play/scenes. If I was judging this game with the price tag included I'd give it a 5/10.
What did you expect from a early access release?
 

drakar

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Updates at least once every two months, no?
The common time window for an update in most early access games that are not VN is usually 2 to 4 months for each content update.
So yeah, I would say that is fair to expect a content update within the next few days, just to be clear, I'm not saying that they will deliver, I'm saying that is fair to expect.
 

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The common time window for an update in most early access games that are not VN is usually 2 to 4 months for each content update.
So yeah, I would say that is fair to expect a content update within the next few days, just to be clear, I'm not saying that they will deliver, I'm saying that is fair to expect.
Don't get your hopes too high.

I expect something similar (3/4 months between each update), but the first MAJOR update will probably need more time since they had to recruit more people after the release of the AE.
 

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The common time window for an update in most early access games that are not VN is usually 2 to 4 months for each content update.
So yeah, I would say that is fair to expect a content update within the next few days, just to be clear, I'm not saying that they will deliver, I'm saying that is fair to expect.
There is no "common" time window. It's different for every f'ing game.

- Baldurs Gate 3 haven't had a content update since it was released over half a year ago.
- Mount & Blade 2 Bannerlord, haven't had a real content upgrade in several months.
- Empyrion Galactic Survival, was in early access for several years before it went full release, and still get patched and fixed on regulary.
- 7 Days to die, released in 2013 and still in early access... (and being updated and worked on).
- Surviving the aftermath, still early access on steam, after it was 1 year exclusive to Epic.

I could list up a bunch more early access games I got, but should be enough to give you an idea...
 

IG88a

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That really the thing, when nothing materializes the far end of the expected window or what actually materializes if it does.

On launch they had 25 rigs for 27 scenes. From what they've said and fact they've given contractwork to outside animators it seems they think their way out of this hole is more porn, almost like it's a porn game or something, so ~50 more chibi animation rigs packaged into a copy paste of the same game loop to be released on... sometime.

Games that have come back from the brink by missing a "ground running" 2-3 month update schedule are the ones that made major mechanic changes in response to backlash. Hell even muh no mans sky. All those things the "fans" think the game doesn't need. A Subverse with radiant sandbox combat as a framework for regular sex scene updates, the main porn scenes unlocked as rewards for using characters in story missions, a basic love bar relationsim to farm scenes from girls you haven't used in combat, etc.

You endeavor to not say anything stupid, to not double down, and then out of the blue you drop a game2 that's recut game1 into something hardly recognizable to everyone's benefit. Not exactly the tact being taken.

If a new build amounts to more sex scenes without context and "progression" via another hour of noninteractive VN cutscenes, the initial impression of the game is the final impression of the game.
 
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