Unreal Engine Subverse [v0.9] [Studio Fow]

[Kernist]

Actually, I'm getting curious.

Would you prefer if there was no Pandora and all and the scenes happened in the main story naturally? Considering there's Xeno, Gangbang and quite a few non-captain scenes you'd get the full brunt of it, and even if you CTRL skip through it, you can't even pretend only the scenes you want are canon. I'm honestly willing to bet the answer is no, even if you hate Pandora.

Pandora, the concept of unlocking scenes because people have different tastes is self awareness on their part. Though mentioning those scenes in the main game shows a lack of commitment to this ideal.

The scenes have no dialogue, and there is no pacing though. I'd also prefer it if you could have sex with the girls naturally as you play, but I wouldn't want to see hardcore content if I could help it.

The scenes having dialogue, a beginning, middle and end would make them more erotic. Erotic integration aside it would help bring context imo.

Do you think Subverse is the only game struggling with this problem? The solution is simple, it's something that most games with niche fetishes are doing nowadays - asking the player at the start what kind of content they want to see, and then depending on the choice they prevent some events from happening. Let's not pretend that "everything happens in the story" and "h-scenes are separated from the game entirely to easy filter content" are the only available options in games.

 

[NBV]

Do you think Subverse is the only game struggling with this problem? The solution is simple, it's something that most games with niche fetishes are doing nowadays - asking the player at the start what kind of content they want to see, and then depending on the choice they prevent some events from happening. Let's not pretend that "everything happens in the story" and "h-scenes are separated from the game entirely to easy filter content" are the only available options in games.

This has been suggested to no end. A check box at the beginning of the game and main menu to turn that stuff off easily solves the problem, without having to gimp content for everyone. Of course, there's always just making it avoidable in-game through obvious dialogue choices or making them game overs. Demi already makes references to being okay with fucking other people on the Captain's crew, or flat out just says so. She offers it to guys like Dallik a couple of times already. It doesn't make sense that the devs are trying so hard to effectively hide the sex version of this content away in Pandora from those who don't want to see it, but still has the story dialogue mentioning that someone like Demi will still gobble anyone's cock on demand.





The simple solution is there but it's become extremely obvious that they don't plan on changing their decision.

 

[Grozar]

Since I'm busy playing Far Cry 6, a few weeks delay won't matter much, btw nice Lily dp mantics screenshot :v

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[TM | Twisted Games]

Actually, I'm getting curious.

Would you prefer if there was no Pandora and all and the scenes happened in the main story naturally? Considering there's Xeno, Gangbang and quite a few non-captain scenes you'd get the full brunt of it, and even if you CTRL skip through it, you can't even pretend only the scenes you want are canon. I'm honestly willing to bet the answer is no, even if you hate Pandora.

The answer is yes, a million times yes. No story, no sex scenes can please every consumer. Have your concept/vision and stick to it. If you try to please everybody, inevitably you will end up pleasing nobody. And while I can't say Pandora is a system that pleases nobody...I've seen some people sing it's praises...it's so much weaker than any other animation in that game, and so much worse than any other video FOW has done, it really sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

A check box at the beginning of the game and main menu to turn that stuff off easily solves the problem, without having to gimp content for everyone.

Although I don't love it, this would be infinitely superior to the Pandora system as well.

 

[Kernist]

This has been suggested to no end. A check box at the beginning of the game and main menu to turn that stuff off easily solves the problem, without having to gimp content for everyone. Of course, there's always just making it avoidable in-game through obvious dialogue choices or making them game overs. Demi already makes references to being okay with fucking other people on the Captain's crew, or flat out just says so. She offers it to guys like Dallik a couple of times already. It doesn't make sense that the devs are trying so hard to effectively hide the sex version of this content away in Pandora from those who don't want to see it, but still has the story dialogue mentioning that someone like Demi will still gobble anyone's cock on demand.

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The simple solution is there but it's become extremely obvious that they don't plan on changing their decision.

And that's why literally nobody is happy with the game. People who followed Studio FOW for years are pissed because their niche tastes are watered down because Subverse tries to please vanilla players. Vanilla players are pissed because as much as Studio FOW promises you have full control of which scenes happen and which not it's not true even by examples you provided. And people who never cared and are ok with both vanilla and futa/mantics are pissed because while trying to please the other two groups FOW made the sex scenes completely separated from the game itself.

 

[TheUnsaid]

The answer is yes, a million times yes. No story, no sex scenes can please every consumer. Have your concept/vision and stick to it. If you try to please everybody, inevitably you will end up pleasing nobody. And while I can't say Pandora is a system that pleases nobody...I've seen some people sing it's praises...it's so much weaker than any other animation in that game, and so much worse than any other video FOW has done, it really sticks out like a sore thumb.

Gonna be honest. It's a pleasant surprise seeing you be consistent.

Although I don't love it, this would be infinitely superior to the Pandora system as well.

Right before a scene starts, screen fades to black... This scene is mantic gangbang... Skip?

With that choice though all scenes are canon whether you watch or not but with Pandora you can pretend they don't happen for the most part.

And that's why literally nobody is happy with the game. People who followed Studio FOW for years are pissed because their niche tastes are watered down because Subverse tries to please vanilla players. Vanilla players are pissed because as much as Studio FOW promises you have full control of which scenes happen and which not it's not true even by examples you provided. And people who never cared and are ok with both vanilla and futa/mantics are pissed because while trying to please the other two groups FOW made the sex scenes completely separated from the game itself.

Literally no one is such hyperbole.

What you listed are problems that can be solved on a design level in my opinion.

It is possible to create an adult game with hardcore beast content as well as vanilla and also give in-game context to those scenes so they don't feel separate from the main game.

 

[Kernist]

What you listed are problems that can be solved on a design level in my opinion.

It is possible to create an adult game with hardcore beast content as well as vanilla and also give in-game context to those scenes so they don't feel separate from the main game.

Ofc it can be solved on a design level. Everyone knows that. Everyone here, on KS, in steam discussions, everywhere tbh gave a feedback about this and Studio FOW still somehow tries to convince us Pandora is the best solution to the problem.

 

[TheUnsaid]

She offers it to guys like Dallik a couple of times already. It doesn't make sense that the devs are trying so hard to effectively hide the sex version of this content away in Pandora from those who don't want to see it, but still has the story dialogue mentioning that someone like Demi will still gobble anyone's cock on demand.

I think originally the plan was for the adult stuff to only happen in Pandora so people could pretend shit they didn't like never even happened.

But with the way the main story is written, that's impossible.

I also agree that Pandora as is, isn't serving its purpose. I'm just saying that a lot of people are already very critical of the game on an adult content level so seeing these same people ask for direct sexual content integration doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Razrback16]

I think originally the plan was for the adult stuff to only happen in Pandora so people could pretend shit they didn't like never even happened.

But with the way the main story is written, that's impossible.

Ya, with the way some of the fringe content is forced into the dialogue, it makes it so the intention of Pandora as you mentioned above, is impossible when it comes to Lily's character. Even for players who want to have a 'head-canon' of no beast stuff for Lily, it's impossible to avoid when it's being openly mentioned during the game's script.

 

[Kernist]

Take three latest games i have played for example - EraTohoTW, Degrees of Lewdity and Asylum. EraTohoTW is pretty much design your own scenes but even at current build game allows you turn on/off pregnancy and events of getting raped. Degrees of Lewdity allows you to change bestiality into monster girls/beastmen, turning off worms, adjusting gender of npcs... everything. Asylum, a bit different approach, it warns you before triggering a scene that it's urination/scat and asks if you want to view it. No? Event doesn't trigger, it never happens and is never mentioned. Simple solutions. And here we have Pandora.

 

[NBV]

And that's why literally nobody is happy with the game. People who followed Studio FOW for years are pissed because their niche tastes are watered down because Subverse tries to please vanilla players. Vanilla players are pissed because as much as Studio FOW promises you have full control of which scenes happen and which not it's not true even by examples you provided. And people who never cared and are ok with both vanilla and futa/mantics are pissed because while trying to please the other two groups FOW made the sex scenes completely separated from the game itself.

Oh, we're in complete agreement on these things. I'm just pointing out that these things aren't new suggestions. It was pretty much the universally agreed upon one people on all their feedback platforms (Steam forums, Discord channel, Reddit) kept saying in common. It simply doesn't look like they want to change things that way... yet. I personally don't have my hopes up that the Pandora changes in the upcoming patch will be what we're hoping for, but I'll still... somewhat... remain open to seeing what they'll do with it. I think next patch will make or break it for a lot of well, well, those still adamant about the game.

I think originally the plan was for the adult stuff to only happen in Pandora so people could pretend shit they didn't like never even happened.

But with the way the main story is written, that's impossible.

I also agree that Pandora as is, isn't serving its purpose. I'm just saying that a lot of people are already very critical of the game on an adult content level so seeing these same people ask for direct sexual content integration doesn't make sense to me.

What makes the way the game is currently written impossible for them to do this? I can see plenty of ways they could input these things into the game's current layout. Plus, didn't they practically advertise that the game would have random porn scene encounters while roaming the ship during the initial advertisement phase of the game?

The reality of the matter is that Studio FOW has already invested themselves in the current Pandora system and simply don't want to change it too much from what they want it to be. It could be from laziness, bad budget management, just their own personal wants, or because of that big moderation problem I mentioned a hundred pages ago about feedback being deleted and misrepresented.

 

[Razrback16]

I personally don't have my hopes up that the Pandora changes in the upcoming patch will be what we're hoping for, but I'll still... somewhat... remain open to seeing what they'll do with it.

Couldn't agree more with this statement. I figure they don't owe me anything, but if they could fix some of the key items that have been common complaints for so many, I'm always happy to reward companies with money.

 

[NBV]

Couldn't agree more with this statement. I figure they don't owe me anything, but if they could fix some of the key items that have been common complaints for so many, I'm always happy to reward companies with money.

I think the main issue the next update needs to address above even the whole mantic sex and Pandora being isolated problem are the scenes being 30 second loops. If those tons of new scenes they mentioned being added are still glorified webms, then they haven't learned a thing, and they're just trying to push quantity over quality as a band-aid fix.

 

[Razrback16]

I think the main issue the next update needs to address above even the whole mantic sex and Pandora being isolated problem are the scenes being 30 second loops. If those tons of new scenes they mentioned being added are still glorified webm's, then they haven't learned a think, and they're just trying to push quantity over quality as a band-aid fix.

Yep, this is also a huge issue, I agree. I actually mentioned some of the items people have talked about in this thread over on the Subverse subreddit recently. I have low hopes of any of it actually being implemented, but it would upgrade the quality of things significantly if the 'scenes' actually felt like scenes and not just brief clips strung together in a haphazard and poorly flowing manner.

 

[TheUnsaid]

Pandora as you mentioned above, is impossible when it comes to Lily's character.

Why are you so obsessed with Lily XD.
It's a thing for all the girls. Demi'll suck anyone's dick. Elsa or whatever is literally a porn star.

Asylum, a bit different approach, it warns you before triggering a scene that it's urination/scat and asks if you want to view it. No? Event doesn't trigger, it never happens and is never mentioned. Simple solutions. And here we have Pandora.

I've only played Asylum, but there even if you skip the scene it still happened.
Even if you skip her scat cene she still gains 1 passion.
If you could skip her using the vibrator she'd still gain vaginal experience.

Isn't that what Pandora was trying to solve? You can make a head-canon of what actually happens and doesn't. Though I think it doesn't do that.

Oh, we're in complete agreement on these things. I'm just pointing out that these things aren't new suggestions. It was pretty much the universally agreed upon one people on all their feedback platforms (Steam forums, Discord channel, Reddit) kept saying in common. It simply doesn't look like they want to change things that way... yet. I personally don't have my hopes up that the Pandora changes in the upcoming patch will be what we're hoping for, but I'll still... somewhat... remain open to seeing what they'll do with it. I think next patch will make or break it for a lot of well, well, those still adamant about the game.



What makes the way the game is currently written impossible for them to do this? I can see plenty of ways they could input these things into the game's current layout. Plus, didn't they practically advertise that the game would have random porn scene encounters while roaming the ship during the initial advertisement phase of the game?

The reality of the matter is that Studio FOW has already invested themselves in the current Pandora system and simply don't want to change it too much from what they want it to be. It could be from laziness, bad budget management, just their own personal wants, or because of that big moderation problem I mentioned a hundred pages ago about feedback being deleted and misrepresented.

I'm in agreement with a lot of what people feel, but I don't think they know the full ramifications of what they're asking for and think the game might surprise them in a negative way of they get what they want.

Again, I was surprised at the consistency from TwistedMagoo earlier. If most people feel that way which I doubt from how negatively the reaction they have from Lily passively mentioning her sexlife then direct erotic integration would require some core design changes. In that case Pandora is actually what these users want, if it did what it said it would do.

 

[NBV]

I'm in agreement with a lot of what people feel, but I don't think they know the full ramifications of what they're asking for and think the game might surprise them in a negative way of they get what they want.

Wait, what? What would be the ramifications of having a setting that allows players to turn on or off these avoidable mantic sex scenes?

 

[Razrback16]

Why are you so obsessed with Lily XD.
It's a thing for all the girls. Demi'll suck anyone's dick. Elsa or whatever is literally a porn star.

My issue is mainly with the forced narrative xeno content with Lily - she is the only one it seems to be shoe-horned into the story with. I don't expect all of the girls to be saints, but I do think the mantic stuff should have been optional. And allow me to clarify as well - I'm perfectly fine with mantic stuff being in the game as I don't expect everyone to want what I want, but I do think the more fringe content should have been optional.

 

[NBV]

On another note, the dev diary somewhat emphasizing them hiring young management is kind of weird. Given that they already have a track record of immature moderation, staff, and managers from back when they only did SFM animations, that still carries over to their community management today, is it really wise only focus on them being "young" new blood? I hope I'm just reading too into it and they're not actually focusing on getting specifically younger people in as managers.

EDIT: It really just comes off as super weird that they push everything on the fact that their dev team and managers are on the older side as where the problems lie.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Isn't that what Pandora was trying to solve? You can make a head-canon of what actually happens and doesn't. Though I think it doesn't do that.

I'll go a step farther, and say that this isn't even possible. Even in a choose your own adventure book, the pages you didn't read still exist. People can attempt to have a head canon different from the narrative, but in the end, it's going to be doomed to failure by the context provided in the rest of the story.

For me, and I stress for ME, I know not for everybody, but I think for some others as well...the scenes in Pandora were so poor, so disjointed and out of context from the narrative, that they barely qualify as erotica at all.