Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Joshua Tree]

Breeders of the Nephelym. Plenty of game mechanics made by a lonesome developer.

Sorry, but the artwork in that game suck balls compared to Subverse..

 

[Joshua Tree]

Honestly, it feels like StudioFow should have made Subverse's gameplay similar to Detroit: Become Human (interactive movie). Would've played their strenghts better (animations, voice acting, fun plot, etc.)
At least for a first game. Until they have enough experience to try other more complex genres.

Detroit Become Human had a development budget of 30 million Euro... also...

Detroit: Become Human was worked on by the 180 staff members at Quantic Dream and also outsourced to the Philippines, China, Vietnam, and India. The game has 35,000 camera shots, 74,000 unique animations, and 5.1 million lines of code.

and it still kinda sucked.. meeeh.

 

[Joshua Tree]

You are trying too hard to miss the point.
Try reading again, but slowly this time.

I understand you don't want a game, you want a interactive movie. SFOW wanted to make an actual GAME, and good was that...

 

[Joshua Tree]

I'm saying that the gameplay they chose wasn't the best for their current experience in making actual games.

If you like shoot em up and tactical grid comabt, the gamplay is fine enough. If you hate such gameplay it's not. Just as people dislike fps, rpg's , or whatever. Not everyone can like the same things.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

I'm saying that the gameplay they chose wasn't the best for their current experience in making actual games.

Which is…0. So what should they have started with? They picked a simple form of tactical grid combat with basic SHMUP gameplay. Both of which, despite their simplicity, many players have found to be fun or challenging.



If Gradius and FF Tactics are too complex, then what?

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Focus on your strenghts and don't mislead the public.
Easy.

so they took their strengths, making quality smut films and combined it with hiring experienced game devs to make an actual game with quality smut and…

also if anyone was misled it’s probably cuz they read something calling it the XCOM/Mass Effect of adult games and overhyped themselves without looking into what the game was gonna be.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

The animations are good but not well implemented into the actual game.
The combat is repetitive and get's boring really fast.

Just take a look at the reviews here, people are not satisfied with the game. It is lacking content and gameplay quality.

And I’d balance that against the people that are happy with it, be it on steam or discord, and say the negative are very much in the minority.

 

[Furabia]

And I’d balance that against the people that are happy with it, be it on steam or discord, and say the negative are very much in the minority.

Whether the people who criticize the game are a minority or not is besides the point, it is moot to the discussion.

It doesn't change the fact that from a game design point of view (and even by adult game standards) Subverse is at best an underwhelming game with many flaws, given the budget and overall production quality.

Most people are simple creatures; you need only see what is popular across different media such as music, games, television, etc to realize that just because the majority of people like something, it doesn't make that something good or above criticism. Nothing is perfect of course and everything has haters and critics who most of the time are a very small minority.

But the point is that even Subverse's the critics are a minority, it is definitely a much more sizeable minority than usual for a piece of media (in a percentage), which in itself speaks volumes and is a testament to the game's design failings, regardless if the majority of people liked the game, because as we established, most people have simple needs and don't have enough knowledge to know when something is flawed.

The conclusion is that the majority of sfow's audience were of people who are into adult videos, and not adult games, so if Subverse happens to be one of your first adult games that you played then it will surely seem like an impressive thing, because the presentation is great. But for people who have more experience with adult games in general, then the sub-par execution is more clear, which consequently generate the displease seen here.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Whether the people who criticize the game are a minority or not is besides the point, it is moot to the discussion.

It doesn't change the fact that from a game design point of view (and even by adult game standards) Subverse is at best an underwhelming game with many flaws, given the budget and overall production quality.

Most people are simple creatures; you need only see what is popular across different media such as music, games, television, etc to realize that just because the majority of people like something, it doesn't make that something good or above criticism. Nothing is perfect of course and everything has haters and critics who most of the time are a very small minority.

But the point is that even Subverse's the critics are a minority, it is definitely a much more sizeable minority than usual for a piece of media (in a percentage), which in itself speaks volumes and is a testament to the game's design failings, regardless if the majority of people liked the game, because as we established, most people have simple needs and don't have enough knowledge to know when something is flawed.

The conclusion is that the majority of sfow's audience were of people who are into adult videos, and not adult games, so if Subverse happens to be one of your first adult games that you played then it will surely seem like an impressive thing, because the presentation is great. But for people who have more experience with adult games in general, then the sub-par execution is more clear, which consequently generate the displease seen here.

forgot the ‘in my opinion part’ there.

From my own experience played other adult games or not doesn’t really mean that much to the experience here. I’ve played illusion games, rpgmaker games, plenty of VN’s, both in development and fully completed ones, and this just goes above and beyond all of them, which is a good thing.

“The conclusion is that the majority of sfow's audience were of people who are into adult videos, and not adult games”

Yes, and people gave them money for a game. Of which they’re getting.

“Whether the people who criticize the game are a minority or not is besides the point, it is moot to the discussion”

So that there’s people with negative views of the game completely nullifies the positive ones? Your next paragraph seems to imply that the negative reviews are the most important ones, which I think would be a big mistake. That just screams ‘Last Jedi to Rise of Skywalker’ where the negative criticism was taken the most in, and the trajectory of the films went way off track.

There’s plenty of ways to present criticism, there’s many positive posts that also ask for things for the next update. But most of the reviews here are not the kind that a dev would care to read.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Looks like steam mods have the subverse forum on overwatch or something. Some "chinese" threads get deleted as soon as they appear. Next up, steam get under siege by Cbinese for denying them the "freedom of democracy" to protest...

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Looks like steam mods have the subverse forum on overwatch or something. Some "chinese" threads get deleted as soon as they appear. Next up, steam get under siege by Cbinese for denying them the "freedom of democracy" to protest...

think that’s steam actually, I believe there’s some system they use when a review bombing like this occurs

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Off topic, but negative reviews were NOT the ones reponsible for the sequels sucking.

personally I liked the direction TLJ was going with it, but it seems they just backtracked all over it. But yeah off topic.

 

[Joshua Tree]

think that’s steam actually, I believe there’s some system they use when a review bombing like this occurs

Yeah, but saw not just regular mods there today, saw some with actual VALVE tags on them doing some enforcing.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Yeah, but saw not just regular mods there today, saw some with actual VALVE tags on them doing some enforcing.

Makes sense, can’t just not deal with something that significant. Specially if the dev contacts them about it.

 

[Razrback16]

Can review bombing actually harm the game sales?

Eh, only for lazy people who don't read some of the actual reviews and just look at the percentages (and in my experience most people read the reviews or even inquire on messageboards if they want more information). It's important to actually read what people have to say. When I'm interested in a game on Steam, I read reviews from verified owners, and I use the options in the filters to only read reviews from people who are not only verified, but have played the game for a specified # of minimum hours and I look for commonalities in the positives and negatives to see what people think is good, bad, and mediocre before deciding whether to buy a game, and for how much $.

With the whole Chinese language translation issue, devs gave their answer to that topic, and some people were angry about it and cited it in their reviews as it was apparently important to them.

Ultimately it doesn't matter if people just read what the reviews have to say. When there's a criticism of something that doesn't matter to a potential customer, that customer just skips over that review as it doesn't apply to them.

Another route some who aren't sure will take is to the high seas where they can test drive the game and decide if it's for them and then if they like it they may then choose to buy it.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I think some of the most recent positive reviews will trigger some people down there in China land..

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特別上來看熱鬧XDDDD
Respect! Studio FOW


Also it seems like Steam taken a ZERO tolerance of Chinese threads (threads/posts started in Chinese) on the Subverse forum atm. Not just locked, but removed all together. Rather than deal with translate these things I think they doing a "no fucks given" approach.

 

[replica]

west taiwan so fragile, so weak.


well if they are really "chinese" why they can't read Traditional Chinese


if emperor xi know they play this kind of game, their hard earn social credit score 'll gone

 

[tt1230thomas]

Why I can't start the game after I downloaded the game? It keeps jumping me to steam and the application not launching

 

[Joshua Tree]

Why I can't start the game after I downloaded the game? It keeps jumping me to steam and the application not launching

Here is a hint...

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[GifMeMore1987]

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I'm relatively new to this site, so I also have a question: is there a reward for the 100th user asking the same question? It would explain a lot.