Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Deleted member 324588]

yeah its kinda sad that this is all the game is. Its bad enough when its only 3 second loop gifs but reusing same scenes is just lazy. All the hype from the initial release is gone now.

At least the scenes are of good quality tho so its still enjoyable.

‘reusing scenes is just lazy’ right they should just use every position in the Kama Sutra, and take even longer for this to be done.

And it isn’t like you’re not getting a different voice performance with the change. Sometimes customers will view a scene and be like ‘this is hot, I’d love to see ____ in this spot’ and that’s all it would take.

I can’t tell you how many people on the discord were anticipating the Killi/biolizard animation that Lily previously had. If the demand is there, they can fill it.

 

[Deleted member 4609400]

What I don't understand is why on Earth are they so determined to keep sex scenes pretty much exclusive to Pandora?

Why couldn't there be a good sex cutscene for each girl as a recruitment reward and then second, more perverted one after finishing her personal quest? Pandora would serve as a "what's happening on a daily basis around the ship outside of main narrative" kind of thing and no one would complain.

Personally, I think that "proper" sex scenes promised to players in form of personal quest rewards are simply... not enough. 3 minutes per waifu gives us typical Studio FOW movie length when combined. One. Those are free by the way.

I know that there is more to the game, there are non porn scenes, there is gameplay etc. but... For me they severely missed the mark on how much porn they want to include in the game and in what form. You cannot put the blame on players for those expectations, when your entire existence was about crazy PORN scenarios.

But I'll be fair and won't doompost before the entire game is actually finished. What's in right now is disappointing and horribly disjointed, but games tend to be like that during production, and this one is no exception. That being said, if Studio FOW decides to make another game in the future - they should spend much more time on the planning phase, because they fucked up on that front in Subverse, which is again - understandable. First game and all.

 

[NBV]

‘reusing scenes is just lazy’ right they should just use every position in the Kama Sutra, and take even longer for this to be done.

And it isn’t like you’re not getting a different voice performance with the change. Sometimes customers will view a scene and be like ‘this is hot, I’d love to see ____ in this spot’ and that’s all it would take.

I can’t tell you how many people on the discord were anticipating the Killi/biolizard animation that Lily previously had. If the demand is there, they can fill it.

But like I said in the post you avoid addressing, they could have added those in the same patch. The duplicates are mostly model swaps with only a small change to an arm or leg position. The voice acting difference is just a few seconds of new moans. There is absolutely no reason why the Equincox thigh job scene should have only been released for Lili in this patch. There's only like 4 different moan sound effects from Lili's VA going on loop in it. You can't tell me it would have taken another month to get the same amount of moan recordings with the other girls. The scene of Lili getting fucked by that dog-like mantic in the last update is no different than the one of Killi getting dicked by it in the same exact position released in this patch. Why didn't we get Killi's in that same patch? Why will we have to wait for the next patch to possibly get the same exact animation with Demi? EDIT: The truth is that they're drip feeding the duplicate scenes on purpose to artificially inflate the amount of new content Pandora has in each update. If they released them properly, it'd be obvious to even those not paying attention that Pandora hasn't been getting anywhere near the amount of new scenes they advertised it would each patch.

They're either so badly organized that they for some reason have trouble releasing dupes of each scene at the same time, or they're intentionally doing this to manipulate hype. Weren't they implying we'd get the Pandora update this patch back when they were heading towards releasing Elaisha's update? This is what happens when your team refuses to create and work with a road map for the longest time.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

What I don't understand is why on Earth are they so determined to keep sex scenes pretty much exclusive to Pandora?

Why couldn't there be a good sex cutscene for each girl as a recruitment reward and then second, more perverted one after finishing her personal quest? Pandora would serve as a "what's happening on a daily basis around the ship outside of main narrative" kind of thing and no one would complain.

Personally, I think that "proper" sex scenes promised to players in form of personal quest rewards are simply... not enough. 3 minutes per waifu gives us typical Studio FOW movie length when combined. One. Those are free by the way.

I know that there is more to the game, there are non porn scenes, there is gameplay etc. but... For me they severely missed the mark on how much porn they want to include in the game and in what form. You cannot put the blame on players for those expectations, when your entire existence was about crazy PORN scenarios.

But I'll be fair and won't doompost before the entire game is actually finished. What's in right now is disappointing and horribly disjointed, but games tend to be like that during production, and this one is no exception. That being said, if Studio FOW decides to make another game in the future - they should spend much more time on the planning phase, because they fucked up on that front in Subverse, which is again - understandable. First game and all.

because the personal quest hasn’t happened yet? The second paragraph of yours is pretty much how it’s going to go. It’ll occur when a waifu hits max devotion. It’s not like in ME2 when you hit the halfway point of the game and team members suddenly have things to do.

Secondly you can’t keep comparing the game to their movies, that isn’t equatable. Their films used already established characters, so they didn’t have to bother with things like backstory or character development. But this is their own original work, so a lot more has to go into the game to properly tell their stories. Several of their interviews with staff and voice actors have said it: this is a game with porn, not a porn game.


And hey if the demand is there, who’s to say they won’t do Subverse themed films after this?

 

[Deleted member 4609400]

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You sound like company's mouthpiece/promotor, saying obvious things, excusing their every single fuckup while also not giving any criticism. It's every single PR talk ever. I do not discuss stuff with people on a payroll so, yeah. You may ignore my posts from now on lol.

 

[NBV]

Game was advertised as a porn game that's akin to an adult Mass Effect (described in terms of themes and space settings, not gameplay) in their own words. Just because they changed their advertisement on steam by editing the store page a month before EA's release doesn't change the fact that they got people hooked on their original advertisement. All their early early statements talk about it as a porn game. We've had this conversation before and I've even showed you screenshots of their old statements. The best you and the other dude could come up with was a single youtube interview of one of the lead devs saying a single line that you guys hooked onto to justify this narrative. It's become your ultimate excuse to shrug off any form of critique.

You sound like company's mouthpiece/promotor, saying obvious things, excusing their every single fuckup while also not giving any criticism. It's every single PR talk ever. I do not discuss stuff with people on a payroll so, yeah. You may ignore my posts from now on lol.

He's a backseat moderator even in their discord. He's that deep of a fan of it, so what else can you expect?


Actual StudioFow staff haven't supported his kind of "This is a game with porn, not a porn game" arguments at all. He's just hyper fixating on some interviews where he can conveniently take some words and push a narrative that allows him to disregard critique, like he's their personal PR machine.


We've destroyed this argument countless times throughout this thread's history , but like every other excuse or argument they make, they just pretend that never happened and start repeating again after some months. One example: https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-3-0-studio-fow.77900/post-6797602

 

[Deleted member 324588]

You sound like company's mouthpiece/promotor, saying obvious things, excusing their every single fuckup while also not giving any criticism. It's every single PR talk ever. I do not discuss stuff with people on a payroll so, yeah. You may ignore my posts from now on lol.

Right…except the part where I’ve said plenty of times that I’ve agreed that the porn could better. Also if I was being paid for this…can’t even think of a joke to properly mock the situation

Saying obvious things means your arguments are so fragile, explaining them is well…obvious.

Sorry for making sense in this den of negativity because a game you aren’t paying for isn’t up to your standards.

 

[NBV]

Sorry for making sense in this den of negativity because a game you aren’t paying for isn’t up to your standards.

Guy's been on repeat for ages.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

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if you’re actually an owner, why aren’t you airing your opinion somewhere it’s actually read, like the official public discord?

if I’m a broken record, what does that make y’all that keep complaining about the same things? They’ve heard the feedback about the smut. But again that is not something that happens instantly.

 

[NBV]

if you’re actually an owner, why aren’t you airing your opinion somewhere it’s actually read, like the official public discord?

Why do you think I've never posted feedback there before? I'm pretty sure I've told you once I did. Why does it matter to you where I discuss the game anyway? The point is, I have paid for the game.

 

[Deleted member 4609400]

He's a backseat moderator even in their discord.

Oh, that's an easy ignore then.

On the topic of Subverse - I'll never understand how Studio FOW agreed on telling the story mostly through VN style while also disjointing the number 1 selling point of the game - sex - from it.

It's MIND-BOGGLING. Ground combat - happens during the story, has narrative attached to it. Space combat - same. Sex? Nah 99% is in the separate menu, disjointed from everything. In a game where PORN is it's main selling point. Characters like to talk about fucking, but any of that happening as an natural occurence? Nah, we don't like to do that. You can play some pandora animations if you like.

 

[Razrback16]

Ya, tons of mistakes with this game so far. The reviews point out quite a few of its shortcomings. It has earned its 2.5 star rating thus far.

 

[NBV]

Oh, that's an easy ignore then.

On the topic of Subverse - I'll never understand how Studio FOW agreed on telling the story mostly through VN style while also disjointing the number 1 selling point of the game - sex - from it.

It's MINDBOGGLING. Ground combat - happens during the story, has narrative attached to it. Space combat - same. Sex? Nah 99% is in the separate menu, disjointed from everything. In a game where PORN is it's main selling point. Characters like to talk about fucking, but any of that happening as an natural occurence? Nah, we don't like to do that. You can play some pandora animations if you like.

Based on their posts and original mock-ups of the game before it drew closer to EA, they scrapped and changed a lot of things they originally teased. This is why a roadmap is so important to have. Their staff hates the idea of having a real one made, so there is a clear lack of direction going on. Funny enough, they flip flop between saying they had a roadmap during it's funding period and not having a roadmap after EA was announced. They've flip flopped on a lot of things since their initial pull funding campaign launch.

Plans obviously changed here:

 

[Deleted member 324588]

So that’s another one lost to the flock. Ah well can’t say I didn’t try. Sucks that folks would rather be pessimistic than optimistic, but can’t always change people’s minds. But I can discuss without slinging insults, while taking in all the shill/paid/secret employee fire willingly.

I am well aware the game is not perfect. That isn’t in question, but what in development game is? Opinions are fine but there is a line between constructive criticism and claiming the devs are lazy or taking shortcuts. Do you know what goes into the redoing of a scene? I don’t, but I sincerely doubt that it is as simple as a cut and paste action. Far as I know none of us have made a game, let alone in an engine like UE4. So what goes on behind the scenes isn’t something we can truly factor into it.

What I can see is a developer that actively reads everything on its discord feedback channel, that has kept up its monthly updates, that explained its large gap between launch and its first major content addition. That acknowledged its faults and stated how it wanted to progress moving forward. And has successfully made the projected timeframe for the next update.

How many ’AAA’ games have we seen have had things go wrong and the devs blame their QA department, or crunch their workers to make a timeframe, and will go dark for months or even years before updating their customers?

This is why I am a fan of FOW’s, because they are so antithetical to what typical game devs have become. They aren’t discussing the dlc because the base game isn’t done, there’s no season pass, no microtransactions for PP points, no lootboxes to determine what scenes you unlock, no episode format to releases so you have to buy each new girl. You pay the already discounted price now, and you’re entitled to a full game. A GAME that happens to have adult content in it.

Even if you were to remove the Pandora system and its scenes, you’d still have a story about a raunchy crew attempting to overthrow an abstinence-based empire. But it’s there as a reward for spending time with the ladies, unlocking not just smut, but personal conversations with them that reveal more about them, eventually culminating in a personal quest that’ll cap off with a longer animation that you’ve been thirsting for so much. That’s called creating anticipation.

Just try to consider that before you equate the work of dozens of people down to just 3 second gifs.

 

[Cerealkiller23]

So...
when's the update gonna be available, any guess?

 

[Razrback16]

So...
when's the update gonna be available, any guess?

Probably a few days to a week (just guessing).

 

[NBV]

So that’s another one lost to the flock. Ah well can’t say I didn’t try. Sucks that folks would rather be pessimistic than optimistic, but can’t always change people’s minds. But I can discuss without slinging insults, while taking in all the shill/paid/secret employee fire willingly.

You've constantly talked down to others in the past and made self-masturbatory posts about complaints coming from others who haven't paid for the game themselves. You can't act above this after making yourself known as that guy of the thread.

Opinions are fine but there is a line between constructive criticism and claiming the devs are lazy or taking shortcuts.

Because I point out that they've lied, exaggerated, and flip flipped constantly in the past? If they make it a big deal to advertise that their Elaisha patch will contain way more than it'll actually have, you best believe people are going to point that out as lies and exaggerations. They said that update would contain "50+ new pandora scenes", while more than half of those scenes were duplicates. Around half of that half were duplicates of scenes already released in the initial EA launch.

Can anyone tell me why they'd drip feed only one of the Equinock thigh sex scenes with Lily in this patch, only to release the same exact scene in the next patches with the other girls in her place?

Do you know what goes into the redoing of a scene? I don’t, but I sincerely doubt that it is as simple as a cut and paste action. Far as I know none of us have made a game, let alone in an engine like UE4. So what goes on behind the scenes isn’t something we can truly factor into it.

To make the duplicate scenes with model swaps only require swapping the model files and making some minor position changes to limbs to avoid clipping. It's not that complicated. You don't need to be a game dev to know this. The fact that you think there would be tons of work for literal model swap scenes with the only changes being different sound effects being played and finger positions (Taron's hands are different from the other girls) is very telling. Then again, this wouldn't be the first time you've kind of just guessed and said things based on those guesses to defend Subverse.

How many ’AAA’ games have we seen have had things go wrong and the devs blame their QA department, or crunch their workers to make a timeframe, and will go dark for months or even years before updating their customers?

Other 'AAA' games have a roadmap and are usually screwed by things from upper management, such as unfair deadlines. When those larger company 'AAA' games screw up badly and blame those that shouldn't be blamed, we don't give them a pass. StudioFow may not be randomly blaming their QA departments, but they are playing it very loose with their PR. They know Pandora has been a touchy subject and refuse to even touch on what they plan to change about it in the future. That's very shady marketing.

I won't even address the rest of your post, since it's just masturbatory drivel about them not doing the most scummiest stuff other 'AAA' games do, despite them failing to do a lot of bare minimum stuff the average not scummy 'AAA' games have. When they stop dodging at every turn how they'll address how they plan to change the biggest complained about feature in the game, or stop padding out their patch notes to make them sound larger than they actually are, then we can pretend their not being shady about things.

EDIT: It's not about them not being perfect. I've said in the past that I can give them a free pass on a lot of things. The issue we have is how much they overpromised and continue to overpromise. They've even developed the token PR move of saying they'll fix a much talked about feature, but give no date, roadmap, or hint as to how they plan to do it.

 

[Volgar1991]

Why nobody who have the game right here share his file x3

 

[Unholyanus]

Why nobody who have the game right here share his file x3

Because once the files are available, no one will check out the new comments and see their thirteen paragraphs essays.

 

[aarrtt]

This gdrive folder contains clean 0.4.0 files, you'll just have to use steamless to crack the game exe.

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