hermit_tr

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Does anyone know who Laura is?:unsure:
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What I saw was Adriana starting a conversation about sexual relationships.
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Or it's all just a writing error :unsure:
 

yossa999

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any sharing in this game guys? and does the WT mod and uncensor patch work with the steam version?
For now, you can only share a jacuzzi with some girls, this is as much as the MC gets.
There are no adult scenes in the first season, bro. :HideThePain:

And it is unclear whether the mods will work with the Steam version; with the Patreon version, usually the mods were always updated within one or two days after the release.
 

Old Man Al

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This isn't some Hitchcockian thing is it? Where the Maker of the games makes cameo appearances throughout. Could Ocean's real surname be Waschbär?

Either that or Ocean's a Buddhist and Summer's been reincarnated. /s
Oh, I always thought that racoon was
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dorleans

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We're not looking for flaws - we're pointing out how much worse the quality is than what we've seen in OCeans work. Again, the fact that you can't see these problems but look for flaws in Ocean's work shows you have no aesthetic credibility or judgment. You keep undermining your own arguments with terrible examples that make people doubt your eyesight.

I think Ch5 Full will be over 10000 renders - Ocean's quality control is much higher than that one render provided tha thas so many flaws. You can't be taken seriously when this is your "smoking gun" for how Ocean is wasting his time leasing video cards. You've also shifted the argument - initially is was why 'Ocean ddoesn't need expensive video cards', now you've changed the your argument to 'Ocean makes mistakes'. No one is buying your point of view because you're just continually just shifting attacks, dropping what you were talking about. It's hard to see your point when you keep jumping around merely to attack from a different angle. If you want to have credible points, be consistent.

The burden of proof is on you, not us. We're actually quite calm and happy - we'd be happier with Ch5 full, but I guess we all have to find our copium somehow.

We can see the flaws in Ocean's work, but again, in the whole VN up to current, Ocean has far better quality control than that one render you used to show how Ocean could improve. That basically shows the whole thread what your opinion actually is.
Not to mention the entire line of criticism is completely beside the point. Ocean's developed a unique aesthetic in a digital medium that requires powerful graphics processors to realize. If you find that aesthetic compelling, you like Ocean. (I very much do, just to be clear.)

If you don't, then I guess his games are tedious, over-stylized melodramas with unjustifiable production timelines. I don't know why one would then go on and on about it on an Ocean forum, but that's a separate mystery.

But trying to make it an argument about image quality control is like bitching that Georges Seurat is too low-resolution.

(That's the pointilism guy.)
 
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SearingFive

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Is this true or farfetched? WIAB user ending will carry over to SG? So, if we avoid Nika being born in WIAB then the protag will differ in SG? Man, this sounds so ambitious, LMAO.
 
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Meushi

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Is this true or farfetched? WIAB user ending will carry over to SG? So, if we avoid Nika being born in WIAB then the protag will differ in SG? Man, this sounds so ambitious, LMAO.
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That's why I keep saying, that every player should consider his own playthrough as canon. No matter what's being hinted at in the other games.
I sadly don't have the resources to implement choices from WiAB into SG.
The scope of this (integrating 5 Games with thousands of choices) would probably even make a big Triple-A Studio cry.

I'm trying to keep it somewhat vague, but some plot points I just need to force.
I can only tell you to pretend that your own experience is the real deal. (I might give a little choice at some point in SG (To pick your WiAB Li), to at least cater some dialogue to your own experience.

Sorry, but that's all I can offer atm.
 

BobTheDuck

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Is this true or farfetched? WIAB user ending will carry over to SG? So, if we avoid Nika being born in WIAB then the protag will differ in SG? Man, this sounds so ambitious, LMAO.
There's nothing saying that the choices that carry over can do anything to prevent a certain bunch of events. Nika's conception might occur a year after the events of WiaB. Despite all the theories, Nika can be completely independant from the Zanes, and their interest is of a different nature.

We need to know what choices we CAN make before wondering if we can terminator Nika. I'd laugh if the only choices that carried over were whether you lost the game of darts and got Katie the sweet or spicy chicken :sneaky: In that scenario, the only thing that changes is dialogue potentially. The core canon stays the same, but the player choices add colour. Maybe we see extra photos on Aurora to add lore/background.

What I do know is that it is so far away that I'm not really worried about the extra immersion by that point. I'll have played and replayed it all many times by then - SG will be too far advanced for me to feel like this is an important thing - currently no decisions in WiaB are really worth porting across. By season 3 maybe? But how much will that change your memories of what you've already played up to season 4 of SG? This kind of thing only makes sense as a director's cut/DLC for completionists because both games are currently being played simultaneously. Ocean would have to stop developing SG and release WiaB finished for this to have a meaningful impact.

The reason we think it's challenging is we all have our own theory of what the canon ending of WiaB is and we don't even know what caused Helen's drama.

Imagine the scene in the book club: Jenna is arguing with Katie about back shots. Maybe you get to chose what sports or who is on your team in WiaB - the dialogue would be changed to reflect who was involved, increasing immersion. Or Willi gets someone pregnant and you see their content via Aurora as a side character with no screen time. Or there are news articles when Nika starts finding out his back story, and they're coloured with the Wiab choices.

The outcome of the Zanes, Reveras and Petrovas creating a shell company is set in canon, Katie, Leia and Willi surviving is set. We can even see that Katie has a knowing history of fiery attitudes with Willi, as Emilia tries goading Katie about Willi. We know Ayua is canon, even if we don't know the details.

Other things could be flexible: for example, the twins could be Gina's if she gets Willi to cuck her boyfriend. Or they could still be Gina's even if she doesn't. That's what I mean by flavour - a lot of the backstory can be rewritten to explain the canon events, with a simple dialogue replacement. Other things might be cameos that are switched on if certain variables are met in WiaB.

I'm looking forward to Nami and Gefritzel's scene, when they take back Noji's house from the mice :sneaky:
 

Ottoeight

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There's nothing saying that the choices that carry over can do anything to prevent a certain bunch of events. Nika's conception might occur a year after the events of WiaB. Despite all the theories, Nika can be completely independant from the Zanes, and their interest is of a different nature.

We need to know what choices we CAN make before wondering if we can terminator Nika. I'd laugh if the only choices that carried over were whether you lost the game of darts and got Katie the sweet or spicy chicken :sneaky: In that scenario, the only thing that changes is dialogue potentially. The core canon stays the same, but the player choices add colour. Maybe we see extra photos on Aurora to add lore/background.

What I do know is that it is so far away that I'm not really worried about the extra immersion by that point. I'll have played and replayed it all many times by then - SG will be too far advanced for me to feel like this is an important thing - currently no decisions in WiaB are really worth porting across. By season 3 maybe? But how much will that change your memories of what you've already played up to season 4 of SG? This kind of thing only makes sense as a director's cut/DLC for completionists because both games are currently being played simultaneously. Ocean would have to stop developing SG and release WiaB finished for this to have a meaningful impact.

The reason we think it's challenging is we all have our own theory of what the canon ending of WiaB is and we don't even know what caused Helen's drama.

Imagine the scene in the book club: Jenna is arguing with Katie about back shots. Maybe you get to chose what sports or who is on your team in WiaB - the dialogue would be changed to reflect who was involved, increasing immersion. Or Willi gets someone pregnant and you see their content via Aurora as a side character with no screen time. Or there are news articles when Nika starts finding out his back story, and they're coloured with the Wiab choices.

The outcome of the Zanes, Reveras and Petrovas creating a shell company is set in canon, Katie, Leia and Willi surviving is set. We can even see that Katie has a knowing history of fiery attitudes with Willi, as Emilia tries goading Katie about Willi. We know Ayua is canon, even if we don't know the details.

Other things could be flexible: for example, the twins could be Gina's if she gets Willi to cuck her boyfriend. Or they could still be Gina's even if she doesn't. That's what I mean by flavour - a lot of the backstory can be rewritten to explain the canon events, with a simple dialogue replacement. Other things might be cameos that are switched on if certain variables are met in WiaB.

I'm looking forward to Nami and Gefritzel's scene, when they take back Noji's house from the mice :sneaky:
You guys are arguing over nothing.

You will never see a SG's season 3 and you will never see a WiaB ending. I bet you will never meet William in SG, you will never know who Nika and Nami's parents were and you will never know what happened to Summer.
 
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