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Another runaway, can't handle the smoke.Who said anything about being naked as a prerequisite?
Right: So 24 full updates (for both) in 63 months (if we take both) is an update every 3 months (give or take a few days). So you're saying, he should be (and other developers are) produce(ing) 3x this amount?
Bwahahahahahaha
Even if I emphasised novel...that still doesn't need to include sex. I think you're confusing yourself to makre something fit a narrative you want it to in order to prove your case. Epic fail kid.
Sure...because PG stuff deals with these themes.
*sighs*...to the list you go....lost count of how many idiots from this thread have made it there at this point.
The fact that it is 63 months with barely even past season 1 or big story progression is enough to be seen as a red flag and dev working at probably 20% of what he can do. Just milking. We would be lucky if the game is done in the next 10 years with such progress.
And yes, if you emphasize on novel, you'd at least have something to look out for, such as a good plot and progression, even if there is nothing lewd, but nothing is captivating, and it is a slow burn. If it was an actual book, it wouldve been thrown long ago.
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If the released chunky updates are for you no big story progression - on two games - then you should work on your mental agility 'cause it looks like you lack the computing power in your brain to process the content of the updates...
And the guy who thinks quantity over quality is something good is telling me I lack computing power xD
Wouldn't mind even half the renders if the progression was worth it.
and the number of renders per update here really doesn't matter and it shows a lack of progression when such numbers only contribute to a total of a couple scenes. We don't need a different render per every line spoken by a character, might as well turn it into a fully animated movie instead.
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I'm glad you take it that way - the thread's only recently had a mod cull. I'll keep my reply short for that reason (keeping my head down).
It's 100% certain that Ocean could have replaced the music with something else, but would you really want him to delay season 1 (and the following season 2) simply to rework a few limp dick pics to new music? Because that's the likely outcome. Ocean weighed up the amount of lewd material (not much) versus the money he'd spent on the music (a decent amount). I can understand that, and it's probably better in the long run for the story - having wider support, and season 1 as a gateway to season 2 for people on steam who might have the adult tags blocked makes sense as a business move. Success on steam will mean better stability for the development of the game - resources so he can do more outsourcing (like he did for the sports field I believe) so he can develop faster without reinventing the wheel.
As far as the fetish goes, can't say he didn't warn us, Nami and Sasha really care for us with each update
The animated movie thing is almost what Ocean is trying to do. That's his style. It didn't start that way, but how many other games have as many renders, or take as long to read? It might not need it, but that's the game's aesthetic. Might as well ask why Nami is the Cheeto while Bella's a blonde. Some choices we have no influence over and we have to take them as they are.
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From CH5 Beta post release log (1 Nov 23):
But all in all, of course, this guy is a terrible spender. He spends the hard-milked coins on completely unnecessary things, buys some stupid music licenses, signs up for some idiotic writing courses, and I’m not even gonna start about the endless upgrades of his favorite video card toys. Well, why the hell does he need cards for five grands of euros each, when the experts from this thread have finally proven that the 2070th copes with rendering just as well or even better. And if you take used ones, for example from miners after a few years of mining ethereum, then it will be almost free.
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So I suppose the steam release will be done once ch 5 full is completed? which I assume is not far now since beta has been out for quite some time.I'm glad you take it that way - the thread's only recently had a mod cull. I'll keep my reply short for that reason (keeping my head down).
It's 100% certain that Ocean could have replaced the music with something else, but would you really want him to delay season 1 (and the following season 2) simply to rework a few limp dick pics to new music? Because that's the likely outcome. Ocean weighed up the amount of lewd material (not much) versus the money he'd spent on the music (a decent amount). I can understand that, and it's probably better in the long run for the story - having wider support, and season 1 as a gateway to season 2 for people on steam who might have the adult tags blocked makes sense as a business move. Success on steam will mean better stability for the development of the game - resources so he can do more outsourcing (like he did for the sports field I believe) so he can develop faster without reinventing the wheel.
As far as the fetish goes, can't say he didn't warn us, Nami and Sasha really care for us with each update
The animated movie thing is almost what Ocean is trying to do. That's his style. It didn't start that way, but how many other games have as many renders, or take as long to read? It might not need it, but that's the game's aesthetic. Might as well ask why Nami is the Cheeto while Bella's a blonde. Some choices we have no influence over and we have to take them as they are.
And yeah, if the dev didn't care so much about going into the detail of a detail, I'm sure the progress would've been faster and the game would've had much more supporters. There need to be a balance.
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Maybe I'm overthinking this, but in events, when Nami and Sasha are together, it's literally like they're in a mirror. Literally everything, from the hairstyle to the earring.
Or for example, when Nika is training with Sasha.Sasha is literally opposite Nami, as if in a mirror.
They really are like twins.
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This is one of the big issues currently in the game. But it ends up being an expected consequence of the Dev's decision to include no sex scenes in the first season. To compensate and offer some lewdness to players you now get nudity scenes in the most awkward situations. The most egregious I remember, being Nami in the bathroom and the porch talk with Nojiko. Ruining an otherwise amazing scene with crotch and cleavage shots of Nojiko feels tacky and weird. It's out of place fan service that ends up hurting the story and it's characters.
There are moments in which nudity appears to be justified, such as Nami undressing in her room after the MC follows her, upon her finding out that everyone hid Nojiko dating Nick from her. Or Bella being naked in fetal position next to the bed after running to her room when Amber accuses her of hurting the MC. Even Vanessa's testing and teasing before the tennis match at Nick's. Those are scenes in which nudity isn't straight up gratuitous, instead being used to show vulnerability like the first two I pointed out.
Then you have dumb shit like Nia fondling her breasts in front of a guy in the gym, the Zara "wardrobe malfunction" in the basketball game, Nami parading around in only panties at the Frohn's and Vic sitting there with her tits out like its nothing. I mean, I know the girl can't walk but she can damn well drag her ass and grab a blanket or a top to cover herself.
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63 months, with Final product ±12000 renders (excluding cinematic renders), it produces 190 renders per month. And many game devs put out monthly updates around that (even if reduced to +10000 renders, it's still around 160 renders). And that amount is extraordinary given how high the quality of the rinder Ocean produces.
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So sad and pathetic....Approx 65% of his posts in a game thread he doesn't like, thinks is a waste, whines about and thinks the dev is a milker...
Must be related to Alex....
Must be related to Alex....
BobTheDuck
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WiaB's most recent Dev Log
That gives you the rough time line - Ocean things his work on the Season 1 release will be all done by (roughly) the next dev log for WiaB. This week's SG dev log will likely explain where he's at with the intro cinematic. One of the things that happens is Ocean is actively developing future content for both games while waiting for the renders to churn through. If you don't follow WiaB, it's worth doing simply because the dev logs give you a better picture. No matter what anyone says, Ocean is communicating every week with people about the game, so unlike other dev's we at least know exactly where things are at, even if he's terrible at estimating timelines. As a perfectionist myself, I get the problem - 5 more minutes to fix something you notice becomes 30, which quickly leads you down a rabbit hole, and suddenly it's two days later. The problem is that people like the quality of the result, and the result IS because of his perfectionism (not saying it's perfect, just saying his drive to polish things has gotten it to the quality level people like, as eveidenced by the support for SG).
I'd hazard a guess that after the steam release we'll see a new Ocean who's learned a little about his shiny new A6000 ADA's and also about moving forward. I've seen a lot of comments in the dev logs that suggest he's honestly frustrated with the pace he making and he's actively looking for ways to increase output. There's a limit one person can manage, but even still, he's not reached that limit where the tech/hardware is faster than his development. Before other people call me naive, yes, this is a hopeful comment, and I'm not blind to his work proclivities.
I don't know if you're over thinking it, but damn that's a great sleuthing observation. I'd guess that they are meant to match/be a mirror just to emphasis the earrings plot, just underscoring that when they're in the same scene. It might hint at future collaboration or antagonism, but I guess we all knew there's going to be something revealed from Sasha about Nami's (and Leia's) earring at somepoint. Great observation
I find the same thing. I've only once been is a situation where it was hot enough for the women to take their tops off for comfort. Even with different cultures, it's mostly fan service. Despite that, I think if Ocean had something more believable, it's lose the appearance of an AVN, so he's kinda done it just to keep fans happy, and blueballed. Anticipation is at least a slightly sext mindgame
I mean, scenes in the women's change rooms would've made sense, and been natural. Scenes changing int he unisex showers make sense. Moments like the jacuzzi feel natural because there is also a level of social awkwardness, and it's partially explained by Vanessa's weird and forward character. The awkwardness of the group kiss makes sense, Nami's teasing and wardrobe dysfuctions mostly feels okay. But yeah, the random toplessness I find weird and out of place. WiaB's farm scene felt at least vaguely natural for a hot day, as I've been in that situation, but even then, I don't live in a world like that, so I can't easily relate.
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You can tell him whatever the hell you want, but omgx123 has a point: the story is moving forward too slowly.
I'm not talking about the number of updates Ocean delivers. I'm talking about the fact that the story is narrated in real-time without time skipping since the day Nika & Nami enter ZRP Uni. This is totally insane.
Last update covers... 1 day. What could possibly happen in a day?
This narrative concept can't work for this VN.
I'm not talking about the number of updates Ocean delivers. I'm talking about the fact that the story is narrated in real-time without time skipping since the day Nika & Nami enter ZRP Uni. This is totally insane.
Last update covers... 1 day. What could possibly happen in a day?
This narrative concept can't work for this VN.
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Such is life: there are days many things happen (more than you can handle sometimes) and sometimes nothing happens for weeks. So if, at the beginning of university life, you are a bit overwhelmed - because it's all new to you, it is nothing total unreasonable. I think Oceans catching that phase pretty good and I personally have yet to find a boring scene in SG (or WIAB), especially as there is so much going on in the background since the reworks.
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BobTheDuck
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Old collection of links in post
I did a search through this thread a while ago, most of the links are still active. I didn't look for all the 0.5 releases and the early version numbers I'm not sure about - there's at least a 1, 2 and 3 release. I think after 3 the main reworks started.
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Hey man, thanks for trying. Appreciate it.
The game was completed quite a bit before the REMASTERING started right? I saw some screenshots, where we get to see adult summer. The story has progressed quite a bit. I want that game
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Summer never resurfaced after her disappearance, even in the old SG. What you probadly saw are pictures of the nightmare in the beginning of SG. Summer was way older in the old version.
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The adult summer you saw was the intro scene, that was the first thing to be reworked I think. Might have been Ch 3. You have to play CH1 or 2 before the rework to see it, and it's basically the same as now, except as adults with creepy smiles and smoking joints.
On the other hand, you can see the edgy dark version that some people like. It's more a curiosity than anything else.