VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Maviarab]

*Plenty of eye candy? with no context and just boobs out, might as well just stay dressed. It is like going to a nudist beach and everyone is naked, that's no eye candy, just nude people.

Who said anything about being naked as a prerequisite?

*and yes, counted the updates between both games. With the amount the dev is earning and the hardware he has, you would expect atleast 3x the output

Right: So 24 full updates (for both) in 63 months (if we take both) is an update every 3 months (give or take a few days). So you're saying, he should be (and other developers are) produce(ing) 3x this amount?

Bwahahahahahaha

And you seem to emphasize on "visual" when you need to focus on "novel", which is the key word here.

Even if I emphasised novel...that still doesn't need to include sex. I think you're confusing yourself to makre something fit a narrative you want it to in order to prove your case. Epic fail kid.

* And I know what adult means, and this game doesn't fit the adult rating. In some countries, it would even be rated 13+ just nudity

Sure...because PG stuff deals with these themes.

*sighs*...to the list you go....lost count of how many idiots from this thread have made it there at this point.

 

[Mortarion]

ha, what are you on about this game not making "big" money... Ocean has more than 1400 subscribers just on patreon. Even if you just calculate with the lowest tier, that's more than 4k a month (and I'm pretty sure many people are in higher tiers)... in reality I think it might be closer to 10. Also there is subscribestar. When S1 releases on steam (and probably itch) those numbers will go up significantly. So stop talking nonsense.

Also it's not a porn game, learn the difference. It's a visual novel with adult elements.

You have to consider the cut patreon/SS takes for them self and taxes between 25-42% (depending on the income) here in germany.

Steam takes roughly 30% from a dev, that means:

Season 1 price (roughly)	15$
Steam takes 30%	5$
Income left for Ocean before taxes	10$
Taxes from greedy asshole gov 25%-42%	7,5$ - 5,8$

And I'm not sure if the taxes are taken from the base steam price, if this the case we are talking about 6,25$ - 3,7$ income for Ocean per selled copy.

 

[omgx123]

let me quote you, looks like you have a problem with short-term memory:

" If the dev wants to make this a full time profession and wants big monthly contributions, he should deliver. "

The dev is full-time, and your statement "wants big monthly contributions" indicates that you think the dev is in fact not making big monthly contributions. Which is incorrect. But anyway I'll put you on my ignore list now, because you are annoying.

So you stated false interpretation of what I said and then ran away to hide because you don't want to be proven wrong.
You do realize that the contributions/subscriptions are payments so I know the dev is earning a big amount and I imply that in my comment. It means that if the dev still wants to such big amount, he should deliver.
And thanks for proving my point that, even if the dev is full time and making big amount of money, his updates output is that of a part time dev who is barely earning anything and is using this as a hobby.

 

[omgx123]

Simple fact of the matter is, the tags show you there's next to nothing lewd, there's a warning that you'll get blue balled if you want the lewds... so did you disobey Nami and Sasha? You're asking for something to be in the game when it's clearly stated it won't be for this season.

Ocean explained why he had to cut the tiny amount lewd scenes that were there. It's up to you whether you believe his reasons or not. A bit of eye candy would mean a lot of voided music contracts and wasted money. I think he chose wisely - a few pics of downstairs aren't worth getting excited about, and avoiding the adult tag gives him a wider audience on steam. Once the release of season 1 is out, he'll have a much better focus for season 2 which will be NSFW, and already has worked out how to deal with the licensing so this doesn't happen again.... but then we'll see everyone complain their favourite girl hasn't had enough screen time... Maybe his new cards (that he only just got) plus the Daz optimisations will see a decent turnover. But until we get past the steam hurdle, everyone is either blueballed or ...somehow enjoying the story for what it is.

Heck, maybe that's Ocean's fetish - blueballing his readers. Can't honestly blame him. People going blue is pretty funny. Maybe the start of the first lewd scene, Nika tries a move on Sasha, and he aunt chokes hime to death. The end ....plus an asphyxiation tag I guess...

I guess we'll see once season 2 kicks into gear. It's pretty pointless wanting it to be different when he's almost finished season one.

And as all the above have said - it's not a porn game. Ocean's specifically trying to avoid that for season one, and he still has enough support from patrons. The number of paying patrons shows he has enough support for his vision, it's just not the same as your vision for the game.

Finally, a user with a good reply to positive criticism instead of blind bashing ones.
Also, the music that caused licensing issues couldve been easily removed and replaced while keeping such scene. Maybe I missed why, not sure "wanting to keep it SFW" is the case.

And I feel like the dev actually has a fetish of blueballing others or he himself got the dysfunction or smthn.

 

[Mortarion]

Elduriel

Your patreon numbers are wrong:

 

[omgx123]

Who said anything about being naked as a prerequisite?

Right: So 24 full updates (for both) in 63 months (if we take both) is an update every 3 months (give or take a few days). So you're saying, he should be (and other developers are) produce(ing) 3x this amount?

Bwahahahahahaha

Even if I emphasised novel...that still doesn't need to include sex. I think you're confusing yourself to makre something fit a narrative you want it to in order to prove your case. Epic fail kid.

Sure...because PG stuff deals with these themes.

*sighs*...to the list you go....lost count of how many idiots from this thread have made it there at this point.

Another runaway, can't handle the smoke.

The fact that it is 63 months with barely even past season 1 or big story progression is enough to be seen as a red flag and dev working at probably 20% of what he can do. Just milking. We would be lucky if the game is done in the next 10 years with such progress.

And yes, if you emphasize on novel, you'd at least have something to look out for, such as a good plot and progression, even if there is nothing lewd, but nothing is captivating, and it is a slow burn. If it was an actual book, it wouldve been thrown long ago.

 

[Mortarion]

The fact that it is 63 months with barely even past season 1 or big story progression is enough to be seen as a red flag and dev working at probably 20% of what he can do. Just milking. We would be lucky if the game is done in the next 10 years with such progress.

If the released chunky updates are for you no big story progression - on two games - then you should work on your mental agility 'cause it looks like you lack the computing power in your brain to process the content of the updates...

 

[omgx123]

If the released chunky updates are for you no big story progression - on two games - then you should work on your mental agility 'cause it looks like you lack the computing power in your brain to process the content of the updates...

And the guy who thinks quantity over quality is something good is telling me I lack computing power xD
Wouldn't mind even half the renders if the progression was worth it.
and the number of renders per update here really doesn't matter and it shows a lack of progression when such numbers only contribute to a total of a couple scenes. We don't need a different render per every line spoken by a character, might as well turn it into a fully animated movie instead.

 

[noirzesqueszn]

I feel it, this is the week

 

[BobTheDuck]

Finally, a user with a good reply to positive criticism instead of blind bashing ones.
Also, the music that caused licensing issues couldve been easily removed and replaced while keeping such scene. Maybe I missed why, not sure "wanting to keep it SFW" is the case.

And I feel like the dev actually has a fetish of blueballing others or he himself got the dysfunction or smthn.

I'm glad you take it that way - the thread's only recently had a mod cull. I'll keep my reply short for that reason (keeping my head down).

It's 100% certain that Ocean could have replaced the music with something else, but would you really want him to delay season 1 (and the following season 2) simply to rework a few limp dick pics to new music? Because that's the likely outcome. Ocean weighed up the amount of lewd material (not much) versus the money he'd spent on the music (a decent amount). I can understand that, and it's probably better in the long run for the story - having wider support, and season 1 as a gateway to season 2 for people on steam who might have the adult tags blocked makes sense as a business move. Success on steam will mean better stability for the development of the game - resources so he can do more outsourcing (like he did for the sports field I believe) so he can develop faster without reinventing the wheel.

As far as the fetish goes, can't say he didn't warn us, Nami and Sasha really care for us with each update

The animated movie thing is almost what Ocean is trying to do. That's his style. It didn't start that way, but how many other games have as many renders, or take as long to read? It might not need it, but that's the game's aesthetic. Might as well ask why Nami is the Cheeto while Bella's a blonde. Some choices we have no influence over and we have to take them as they are.

 

[yossa999]

Even if you just calculate with the lowest tier, that's more than 4k a month (and I'm pretty sure many people are in higher tiers)... in reality I think it might be closer to 10.

From CH5 Beta post release log (1 Nov 23):

New Tier added.
A few very generous boys have some pretty high custom pledges, and my highest tier at the moment is 50$.
I created a 100$ tier. Aurora Borealis.
While it's mostly just a supporter tier, they and the Ethereal Glow boys will get 1-3 additional, slightly spicier treat images in the future. (So whenever I create a new Set, they will get more. The spicier pics will drop to the Ethereal Glow's after a week.)
You also get a Discord role + more voting power on the soon-to-be-started Blender short story polls.
As always, don't ever feel pressured to pick a higher tier.
Always take care of yourself first.

But all in all, of course, this guy is a terrible spender. He spends the hard-milked coins on completely unnecessary things, buys some stupid music licenses, signs up for some idiotic writing courses, and I’m not even gonna start about the endless upgrades of his favorite video card toys. Well, why the hell does he need cards for five grands of euros each, when the experts from this thread have finally proven that the 2070th copes with rendering just as well or even better. And if you take used ones, for example from miners after a few years of mining ethereum, then it will be almost free.

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[omgx123]

I'm glad you take it that way - the thread's only recently had a mod cull. I'll keep my reply short for that reason (keeping my head down).

It's 100% certain that Ocean could have replaced the music with something else, but would you really want him to delay season 1 (and the following season 2) simply to rework a few limp dick pics to new music? Because that's the likely outcome. Ocean weighed up the amount of lewd material (not much) versus the money he'd spent on the music (a decent amount). I can understand that, and it's probably better in the long run for the story - having wider support, and season 1 as a gateway to season 2 for people on steam who might have the adult tags blocked makes sense as a business move. Success on steam will mean better stability for the development of the game - resources so he can do more outsourcing (like he did for the sports field I believe) so he can develop faster without reinventing the wheel.

As far as the fetish goes, can't say he didn't warn us, Nami and Sasha really care for us with each update

The animated movie thing is almost what Ocean is trying to do. That's his style. It didn't start that way, but how many other games have as many renders, or take as long to read? It might not need it, but that's the game's aesthetic. Might as well ask why Nami is the Cheeto while Bella's a blonde. Some choices we have no influence over and we have to take them as they are.

So I suppose the steam release will be done once ch 5 full is completed? which I assume is not far now since beta has been out for quite some time.
And yeah, if the dev didn't care so much about going into the detail of a detail, I'm sure the progress would've been faster and the game would've had much more supporters. There need to be a balance.

 

[Doomyk]

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but in events, when Nami and Sasha are together, it's literally like they're in a mirror. Literally everything, from the hairstyle to the earring.

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Or for example, when Nika is training with Sasha.Sasha is literally opposite Nami, as if in a mirror.

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They really are like twins.

 

[RNasc4444]

*Plenty of eye candy? with no context and just boobs out, might as well just stay dressed. It is like going to a nudist beach and everyone is naked, that's no eye candy, just nude people.

This is one of the big issues currently in the game. But it ends up being an expected consequence of the Dev's decision to include no sex scenes in the first season. To compensate and offer some lewdness to players you now get nudity scenes in the most awkward situations. The most egregious I remember, being Nami in the bathroom and the porch talk with Nojiko. Ruining an otherwise amazing scene with crotch and cleavage shots of Nojiko feels tacky and weird. It's out of place fan service that ends up hurting the story and it's characters.

There are moments in which nudity appears to be justified, such as Nami undressing in her room after the MC follows her, upon her finding out that everyone hid Nojiko dating Nick from her. Or Bella being naked in fetal position next to the bed after running to her room when Amber accuses her of hurting the MC. Even Vanessa's testing and teasing before the tennis match at Nick's. Those are scenes in which nudity isn't straight up gratuitous, instead being used to show vulnerability like the first two I pointed out.

Then you have dumb shit like Nia fondling her breasts in front of a guy in the gym, the Zara "wardrobe malfunction" in the basketball game, Nami parading around in only panties at the Frohn's and Vic sitting there with her tits out like its nothing. I mean, I know the girl can't walk but she can damn well drag her ass and grab a blanket or a top to cover herself.

 

[hermit_tr]

Another runaway, can't handle the smoke.

The fact that it is 63 months with barely even past season 1 or big story progression is enough to be seen as a red flag and dev working at probably 20% of what he can do. Just milking. We would be lucky if the game is done in the next 10 years with such progress.

And yes, if you emphasize on novel, you'd at least have something to look out for, such as a good plot and progression, even if there is nothing lewd, but nothing is captivating, and it is a slow burn. If it was an actual book, it wouldve been thrown long ago.

63 months, with Final product ±12000 renders (excluding cinematic renders), it produces 190 renders per month. And many game devs put out monthly updates around that (even if reduced to +10000 renders, it's still around 160 renders). And that amount is extraordinary given how high the quality of the rinder Ocean produces.

 

[Maviarab]

So sad and pathetic....Approx 65% of his posts in a game thread he doesn't like, thinks is a waste, whines about and thinks the dev is a milker...

Must be related to Alex....

 

[BobTheDuck]

So I suppose the steam release will be done once ch 5 full is completed? which I assume is not far now since beta has been out for quite some time.
And yeah, if the dev didn't care so much about going into the detail of a detail, I'm sure the progress would've been faster and the game would've had much more supporters. There need to be a balance.

WiaB's most recent Dev Log

That gives you the rough time line - Ocean things his work on the Season 1 release will be all done by (roughly) the next dev log for WiaB. This week's SG dev log will likely explain where he's at with the intro cinematic. One of the things that happens is Ocean is actively developing future content for both games while waiting for the renders to churn through. If you don't follow WiaB, it's worth doing simply because the dev logs give you a better picture. No matter what anyone says, Ocean is communicating every week with people about the game, so unlike other dev's we at least know exactly where things are at, even if he's terrible at estimating timelines. As a perfectionist myself, I get the problem - 5 more minutes to fix something you notice becomes 30, which quickly leads you down a rabbit hole, and suddenly it's two days later. The problem is that people like the quality of the result, and the result IS because of his perfectionism (not saying it's perfect, just saying his drive to polish things has gotten it to the quality level people like, as eveidenced by the support for SG).

I'd hazard a guess that after the steam release we'll see a new Ocean who's learned a little about his shiny new A6000 ADA's and also about moving forward. I've seen a lot of comments in the dev logs that suggest he's honestly frustrated with the pace he making and he's actively looking for ways to increase output. There's a limit one person can manage, but even still, he's not reached that limit where the tech/hardware is faster than his development. Before other people call me naive, yes, this is a hopeful comment, and I'm not blind to his work proclivities.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but in events, when Nami and Sasha are together, it's literally like they're in a mirror. Literally everything, from the hairstyle to the earring.

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Or for example, when Nika is training with Sasha.Sasha is literally opposite Nami, as if in a mirror.

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They really are like twins.

I don't know if you're over thinking it, but damn that's a great sleuthing observation. I'd guess that they are meant to match/be a mirror just to emphasis the earrings plot, just underscoring that when they're in the same scene. It might hint at future collaboration or antagonism, but I guess we all knew there's going to be something revealed from Sasha about Nami's (and Leia's) earring at somepoint. Great observation

This is one of the big issues currently in the game. But it ends up being an expected consequence of the Dev's decision to include no sex scenes in the first season. To compensate and offer some lewdness to players you now get nudity scenes in the most awkward situations. The most egregious I remember, being Nami in the bathroom and the porch talk with Nojiko. Ruining an otherwise amazing scene with crotch and cleavage shots of Nojiko feels tacky and weird. It's out of place fan service that ends up hurting the story and it's characters.

There are moments in which nudity appears to be justified, such as Nami undressing in her room after the MC follows her, upon her finding out that everyone hid Nojiko dating Nick from her. Or Bella being naked in fetal position next to the bed after running to her room when Amber accuses her of hurting the MC. Even Vanessa's testing and teasing before the tennis match at Nick's. Those are scenes in which nudity isn't straight up gratuitous, instead being used to show vulnerability like the first two I pointed out.

Then you have dumb shit like Nia fondling her breasts in front of a guy in the gym, the Zara "wardrobe malfunction" in the basketball game, Nami parading around in only panties at the Frohn's and Vic sitting there with her tits out like its nothing. I mean, I know the girl can't walk but she can damn well drag her ass and grab a blanket or a top to cover herself.

I find the same thing. I've only once been is a situation where it was hot enough for the women to take their tops off for comfort. Even with different cultures, it's mostly fan service. Despite that, I think if Ocean had something more believable, it's lose the appearance of an AVN, so he's kinda done it just to keep fans happy, and blueballed. Anticipation is at least a slightly sext mindgame

I mean, scenes in the women's change rooms would've made sense, and been natural. Scenes changing int he unisex showers make sense. Moments like the jacuzzi feel natural because there is also a level of social awkwardness, and it's partially explained by Vanessa's weird and forward character. The awkwardness of the group kiss makes sense, Nami's teasing and wardrobe dysfuctions mostly feels okay. But yeah, the random toplessness I find weird and out of place. WiaB's farm scene felt at least vaguely natural for a hot day, as I've been in that situation, but even then, I don't live in a world like that, so I can't easily relate.

 

[Ottoeight]

You can tell him whatever the hell you want, but omgx123 has a point: the story is moving forward too slowly.

I'm not talking about the number of updates Ocean delivers. I'm talking about the fact that the story is narrated in real-time without time skipping since the day Nika & Nami enter ZRP Uni. This is totally insane.

Last update covers... 1 day. What could possibly happen in a day?

This narrative concept can't work for this VN.

 

[Old Man Al]

You can tell him whatever the hell you want, but omgx123 has a point: the story is moving forward too slowly.

I'm not talking about the number of updates Ocean delivers. I'm talking about the fact that the story is narrated in real-time without time skipping since the day Nika & Nami enter ZRP Uni. This is totally insane.

Last update covers... 1 day. What could possibly happen in a day?

This narrative concept can't work for this VN.

Such is life: there are days many things happen (more than you can handle sometimes) and sometimes nothing happens for weeks. So if, at the beginning of university life, you are a bit overwhelmed - because it's all new to you, it is nothing total unreasonable. I think Oceans catching that phase pretty good and I personally have yet to find a boring scene in SG (or WIAB), especially as there is so much going on in the background since the reworks.

 

[Winchester Quincy]

Hey guys, where can I download old version of this game - before the rework