VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Myscho]

Kinda weird that jacuzzi scene have to go because Steam release, saw games/VN on Steam with more sex scenes and wasnt deleted

 

[Maviarab]

Kinda weird that jacuzzi scene have to go because Steam release, saw games/VN on Steam with more sex scenes and wasnt deleted

Because season 1 is not being marketed (Ocean hopes) on Steam as an 'adult' VN. That's why. Season 2 will be rated as an 18+ AVN.

 

[deadh30775n]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've read. I think he is more than well recognised in this particular field. More than the majority.

I was talking in the sense like he is already making perfect renders, writing (not) making him popular, wealthy...
I mean anyone can see that he well recognised, just by seeing his supporters count and 5 star reviews both games has in f95
I was actually trying to say why he may be doing like this and why it is not good in the longer run.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

This is not a literal, but a figurative question, it is clear that he deleted everything "hot" because of the steam version, and as i understand that in the second season everything "hot" for the future content will not be deleted, but when will this be?
For me, this is not an improvement, this is a downgrade!
It’s just a shame, because his games are very good, but need to wait a whole year to play new content, while a lot of things will be redone, and i have to start the game from the very beginning every time!

There has been one required restart of Summers Gone in the last three years.

This was due to a software rev change that forced the restart - and was clearly identified when the restart was required.

What you call a downgrade I call Ocean making a business decision on how to best manage his AVNs.

The next step - in terms of resourcing and expanding his audience - is the upcoming Steam Season 1 release of SG.

I'm a $ supporter and I fully support Ocean's choices here.

It's not like he can monetize the Many downloads of SG made from F95 by those who have never supported him with $.

We get new content with each release of SG and these have come, historically, about 1x/6 months versus the:

'need to wait a whole year to play new content'

I'm looking forward to the new scenes in CH 5 Final and to Ocean wrapping up Summers Gone Season 1!

Cheers!!

 

[ItsNotUs]

There has been one required restart of Summers Gone in the last three years.
Cheers!!

You yourself confirmed in your own words that the game has been "standing still" for three years!

And why do those who support the dev financially constantly have the idea that those who pirate his projects do not have the right to express their opinion?

I never said that the dev is doing something bad - it’s his business how to do his projects! I just provided some facts, which in my opinion, complicate and delay the release of new updates!

His games are very good, cinematics, renderings, characters, dramatic stories, musical accompaniment, all this is done at the highest level!!!
Only one thing is missing - "hot scenes"!
Which is the fate of steam to be removed from the project and yes, my opinion is that this is a downgrade not only in "hot scenes" but also in the plot of the relationship between Nami and Niko! Scene in the jacuzzi could push them further in the plot where their next "hot scene" it would be much better and more "serious", but dev have to re-create the scene to go further with their sexual plot(i.e. in other words, start again from the beginning)! Which increases the waiting time for such content significantly!

Dev has great respect for his work, but a little constructive criticism, even from a pirate, wouldn’t hurt!

And this is just my subjective opinion!

 

[yossa999]

You yourself confirmed in your own words that the game has been "standing still" for three years!

And why do those who support the dev financially constantly have the idea that those who pirate his projects do not have the right to express their opinion?

I never said that the dev is doing something bad - it’s his business how to do his projects! I just provided some facts, which in my opinion, complicate and delay the release of new updates!

His games are very good, cinematics, renderings, characters, dramatic stories, musical accompaniment, all this is done at the highest level!!!
Only one thing is missing - "hot scenes"!
Which is the fate of steam to be removed from the project and yes, my opinion is that this is a downgrade not only in "hot scenes" but also in the plot of the relationship between Nami and Niko! Scene in the jacuzzi could push them further in the plot where their next "hot scene" it would be much better and more "serious", but dev have to re-create the scene to go further with their sexual plot(i.e. in other words, start again from the beginning)! Which increases the waiting time for such content significantly!

Dev has great respect for his work, but a little constructive criticism, even from a pirate, wouldn’t hurt!

And this is just my subjective opinion!

Bro, I'm not talking about you, but in general, having followed this thread for a long time, it's very funny to see how those who often talk a lot about the right to express their opinions are usually very sensitive to the constructive criticism of their own posts.

Getting back to your point, Ocean seemed to explain his reasons, but I understand that not everyone posting here is constantly following this thread. Let's say he brought back all the deleted scenes. Honestly, even with all the removed dick angles and Nami's wiggling ass in the jacuzzi, can season one be considered adult content in the sense that people expect from adult content on Steam? Did you expect such kind of scenes as adult content if you first saw the announcement of the Summer's Gone? I bet you don't, you're expecting something like BaDIK or something similar, with lots of sex scenes from a game tagged as "adult only."

Well, what impression will people have of the game when they will rush to buy a game with such quality renderings and labeled as “for adults” and when they don’t find the porn they expected there? The constant mourning howl in this thread "seeeeex wheeeen" is not enough for you? And it is going on and on despite the fact that on the main page it is written that this is not a porn game, and it does not have porn tags yet, and at the beginning of the game, Nami and Sasha persistently warn you about this and protect your balls from turning blue?

And the first impression that the public gets about a new developer on Steam is very important and will then affect all his subsequent works that he will publish there. So don't you think this is a fair compromise: he removes a micro amount of controversial content for the supposedly non-adult first season and doesn't give the public false expectations of it. Then he releases the second season tagged adults-only and makes happy those who were expecting porn content from him. Or he leaves Nami's jacuzzi scene and fails the release with removed music that was only licensed for use in non-adult content, gets his game restricted in some countries like Germany, and attracts a lot of "excited fans" crying that they were "scammed", that the "developer is lying" and the game is not for adults, and they are demanding a refund. What would you choose in his place?

I'm also very curious about the impressions of people who found this game recently and only saw the latest version of Nami's scene in the jacuzzi without erotic animation. What do you think, does this scene seem unnatural, illogical to you, did you like it or not?

 

[ItsNotUs]

Bro, I'm not talking about you, but in general, having followed this thread for a long time, it's very funny to see how those who often talk a lot about the right to express their opinions are usually very sensitive to the constructive criticism of their own posts.

Getting back to your point, Ocean seemed to explain his reasons, but I understand that not everyone posting here is constantly following this thread. Let's say he brought back all the deleted scenes. Honestly, even with all the removed dick angles and Nami's wiggling ass in the jacuzzi, can season one be considered adult content in the sense that people expect from adult content on Steam? Did you expect such kind of scenes as adult content if you first saw the announcement of the Summer's Gone? I bet you don't, you're expecting something like BaDIK or something similar, with lots of sex scenes from a game tagged as "adult only."

Well, what impression will people have of the game when they will rush to buy a game with such quality renderings and labeled as “for adults” and when they don’t find the porn they expected there? The constant mourning howl in this thread "seeeeex wheeeen" is not enough for you? And it is going on and on despite the fact that on the main page it is written that this is not a porn game, and it does not have porn tags yet, and at the beginning of the game, Nami and Sasha persistently warn you about this and protect your balls from turning blue?

And the first impression that the public gets about a new developer on Steam is very important and will then affect all his subsequent works that he will publish there. So don't you think this is a fair compromise: he removes a micro amount of controversial content for the supposedly non-adult first season and doesn't give the public false expectations of it. Then he releases the second season tagged adults-only and makes happy those who were expecting porn content from him. Or he leaves Nami's jacuzzi scene and fails the release with removed music that was only licensed for use in non-adult content, gets his game restricted in some countries like Germany, and attracts a lot of "excited fans" crying that they were "scammed", that the "developer is lying" and the game is not for adults, and they are demanding a refund. What would you choose in his place?

I'm also very curious about the impressions of people who found this game recently and only saw the latest version of Nami's scene in the jacuzzi without erotic animation. What do you think, does this scene seem unnatural, illogical to you, did you like it or not?

So much text and all for nothing! xD

Of course, i read what was written at the very beginning on the main page!

The dev didn’t have any problems with sex in his other game(but it also does not have much plot development over several years - just reworks), just take a simple trend: the market for such projects is aimed at teasing to the end, when games stand for years on a storyline in order to approach the hot scenes!
Blue balls are a feature of similar projects that plague their audience - as if we are waiting for GTA6! xd

Are we in a kindergarten or on a forum for adults? He positions himself as an dev of an adult games!

But again, I’m talking about progress and you’re ready to sit and watch regression and enjoy it!
Well good luck!

 

[yossa999]

Are we in a kindergarten or on a forum for adults? He positions himself as an dev of an adult games!

Yep, that's why the complaints "Why dev doesn't show me the girls pipi's, I want to see it now!" sounds a little annoying from supposedly adult people.

But again, I’m talking about progress and you’re ready to sit and watch regression and enjoy it!
Well good luck!

If you measure progress in inches of the depth of penetration of the MC's penis into a pussy, then yeah, there is no progress at all.
But rest assured, I am enjoying the game and will continue to enjoy it.
Good luck to you too!

 

[ItsNotUs]

Yep, that's why the complaints "Why dev doesn't show me the girls pipi's, I want to see it now!" sounds a little annoying from supposedly adult people.


If you measure progress in inches of the depth of penetration of the MC's penis into a pussy, then yeah, there is no progress at all.
But rest assured, I am enjoying the game and will continue to enjoy it.
Good luck to you too!

Dude, when i first played Summer Gone and this was more than a year ago, my plot ended with Niko sitting at home and scrolling through the F@ceb...k news feed on his phone, depending on the decision made, either the update ends there, or Bella comes to you and the end update!
After more than a year, how far has the plot progressed?

 

[yossa999]

Dude, when i first played Summer Gone and this was more than a year ago, my plot ended with Niko sitting at home and scrolling through the F@ceb...k news feed on his phone, depending on the decision made, either the update ends there, or Bella comes to you and the end update!
After more than a year, how far has the plot progressed?

Haven't you played the chapter 5? You should play and find out for yourself

 

[Massagecook01]

i don't get the whole getting ready for steam version and cutting out certain scenes because they are too erotic. when i have seen certain games with very very erotic scenes and very very taboo themes and they have been on steam for years and still making money for the devs and steam hasnt banned them.

 

[yossa999]

i don't get the whole getting ready for steam version and cutting out certain scenes because they are too erotic. when i have seen certain games with very very erotic scenes and very very taboo themes and they have been on steam for years and still making money for the devs and steam hasnt banned them.

Man, I kind of just wrote a long-ass post answering this question.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-12821380

 

[ItsNotUs]

Haven't you played the chapter 5? You should play and find out for yourself

Of course i played and, as i said earlier, had to play from the very beginning!
After more than a year of waiting, this made me happy again!
A lot of reworked moments (but they take up time that could have been spent on a new plot)
What's new:
-trip to the beach with Bella (there's an erection problem)
-Nico meets Bella's ex or an old racing buddy
-new team training
-rats in the house
-moving
-end
Maybe I forgot something?

And this took more than a year of development!
Although no, time has yet been spent on reworks and removing the old content!

 

[Massagecook01]

Man, I kind of just wrote a long-ass post answering this question.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-12821380

thanks for the post now i understand the reasoning and fully agree with the logic.

 

[BobTheDuck]

So much text and all for nothing! xD

Of course, i read what was written at the very beginning on the main page!

The dev didn’t have any problems with sex in his other game(but it also does not have much plot development over several years - just reworks), just take a simple trend: the market for such projects is aimed at teasing to the end, when games stand for years on a storyline in order to approach the hot scenes!
Blue balls are a feature of similar projects that plague their audience - as if we are waiting for GTA6! xd

Are we in a kindergarten or on a forum for adults? He positions himself as an dev of an adult games!

But again, I’m talking about progress and you’re ready to sit and watch regression and enjoy it!
Well good luck!

One continual assumption in this thread is that Ocean's main goal in each of these games is to render successively hotter lewd scenes, and the plot is secondary. It is clearly not, the plot is Ocean's main goal, and the lewd scenes are just part of the AVN norm that he works within. WiaB basically starts with a sex scene, so it's just a plot device as far as Ocean is concerned, it's not the point of the AVN.

Progress wise, quite a lot has happened as far as the character and world building goes. If you consider plot as just the vehicle for lewd scenes, then it'll be disappointing. If you like plots and characters, there's quite a lot going on in the recent updates.

It's not really that big a deal whether there are lewd scenes or not right now. Nika's willy is not why I play the game.

Just a different opinion.

i don't get the whole getting ready for steam version and cutting out certain scenes because they are too erotic. when i have seen certain games with very very erotic scenes and very very taboo themes and they have been on steam for years and still making money for the devs and steam hasnt banned them.

It's not about getting around bans, WiaB already has lewd scenes that aren't censored, so Ocean is fine with it. It's about licensing and marketing. Ocean wants Season 1 of SG to effectively be a teaser to hook people in regardless of age restrictions, and how easy it is to get around them. An adult tag means it won't show up in some users discovery feeds on Steam. It's purely to increase exposure. Also, having one season accepted because it's super vanilla beige in terms of adult content, will probably help season 2 get past steam's approvals quicker, making the future development easier. If the game gets a good profile, Ocean will have an easier time getting good music licenses, even with adult content.

Benefit in the long run is it'll likely stabilise the game's development.

 

[ItsNotUs]

One continual assumption in this thread is that Ocean's main goal in each of these games is to render successively hotter lewd scenes, and the plot is secondary. It is clearly not, the plot is Ocean's main goal, and the lewd scenes are just part of the AVN norm that he works within. WiaB basically starts with a sex scene, so it's just a plot device as far as Ocean is concerned, it's not the point of the AVN.

Progress wise, quite a lot has happened as far as the character and world building goes. If you consider plot as just the vehicle for lewd scenes, then it'll be disappointing. If you like plots and characters, there's quite a lot going on in the recent updates.

It's not really that big a deal whether there are lewd scenes or not right now. Nika's willy is not why I play the game.

Just a different opinion.


It's not about getting around bans, WiaB already has lewd scenes that aren't censored, so Ocean is fine with it. It's about licensing and marketing. Ocean wants Season 1 of SG to effectively be a teaser to hook people in regardless of age restrictions, and how easy it is to get around them. An adult tag means it won't show up in some users discovery feeds on Steam. It's purely to increase exposure. Also, having one season accepted because it's super vanilla beige in terms of adult content, will probably help season 2 get past steam's approvals quicker, making the future development easier. If the game gets a good profile, Ocean will have an easier time getting good music licenses, even with adult content.

Benefit in the long run is it'll likely stabilise the game's development.

What does this have to do with the lewd scene?
I wrote about the plot, how far has the plot progressed?
Long ru? xd
How long will the game itself be in development for - Twenty years?
I originally wrote that there is no need to rework what has already been reworked! That it was not necessary to change Nami and that all! Rework-reworkings lead to even long delays! Years...

That's all!

 

[BobTheDuck]

What does this have to do with the lewd scene?
I wrote about the plot, how far has the plot progressed?
Long ru? xd
How long will the game itself be in development for - Twenty years?
I originally wrote that there is no need to rework what has already been reworked! That it was not necessary to change Nami and that all! Rework-reworkings lead to even long delays! Years...

That's all!

Cutting out the lewd scenes didn't waste much time, and yes the development is longer than anyone wants, I can certainly agree on that. But I'm really happy for the reworks. It's far more consistent to me as a story.

 

[polar_1321]

You yourself confirmed in your own words that the game has been "standing still" for three years!

And why do those who support the dev financially constantly have the idea that those who pirate his projects do not have the right to express their opinion?

I never said that the dev is doing something bad - it’s his business how to do his projects! I just provided some facts, which in my opinion, complicate and delay the release of new updates!

His games are very good, cinematics, renderings, characters, dramatic stories, musical accompaniment, all this is done at the highest level!!!
Only one thing is missing - "hot scenes"!
Which is the fate of steam to be removed from the project and yes, my opinion is that this is a downgrade not only in "hot scenes" but also in the plot of the relationship between Nami and Niko! Scene in the jacuzzi could push them further in the plot where their next "hot scene" it would be much better and more "serious", but dev have to re-create the scene to go further with their sexual plot(i.e. in other words, start again from the beginning)! Which increases the waiting time for such content significantly!

Dev has great respect for his work, but a little constructive criticism, even from a pirate, wouldn’t hurt!

And this is just my subjective opinion!

I don't why your bitching about an unfinished game that you haven't even put money up front and got it for free. Your the like the 1,000s person to come in and bitch about it. It's pointless no one here can do anything about the problem you pointed out, most of these people don't even support the patron I bet. If you want to give constructive criticism to author the there's better ways to do that then bitch about it to random's.

Also I don't know why people are saying things where cut for steam release, when it was clearly said 3-4 months ago it was so he wouldn't loose the music licensing for season 1.

Of course i played and, as i said earlier, had to play from the very beginning!
After more than a year of waiting, this made me happy again!
A lot of reworked moments (but they take up time that could have been spent on a new plot)
What's new:
-trip to the beach with Bella (there's an erection problem)
-Nico meets Bella's ex or an old racing buddy
-new team training
-rats in the house
-moving
-end
Maybe I forgot something?

And this took more than a year of development!
Although no, time has yet been spent on reworks and removing the old content!

You missed Nia's house and her talking about Summer.

 

[yossa999]

Of course i played and, as i said earlier, had to play from the very beginning!
After more than a year of waiting, this made me happy again!
A lot of reworked moments (but they take up time that could have been spent on a new plot)
What's new:
-trip to the beach with Bella (there's an erection problem)
-Nico meets Bella's ex or an old racing buddy
-new team training
-rats in the house
-moving
-end
Maybe I forgot something?

And this took more than a year of development!
Although no, time has yet been spent on reworks and removing the old content!

Reworks and WiAB, yes, but not only that.
- Bella's storyline continued with her finally confessing her feelings for the MC. Romantic scene in the desert. An important decision is how they define their relationship now (open/casual or "all or nothing", leading to another breakup). The kitchen scene where MC learns more about Bella and Zara's childhood, which gives him a much deeper understanding of their characters. Nami's jealousy of Bella and their interactions are hilarious as hell. MC finds out that Bella is being stalked by Ceril's sister and the idiot racer.
- Nami's storyline continued. Shadows of the past tainting their newfound passion for each other. Nami is desperately jealous of everyone if you kissed her in the previous chapter, or indifferent if you didn't. Sincere talk at the end of the chapter and important decision about relationship with Nami.
- Nia's storyline continued. The beginning of a romantic route with her? Options to getting more physical with her which will most likely later affect relationships with other girls. MC learns more about her characters and finds out about Nia's relationship with Summer. The important choice to agree on a date with her at the end of the visit.
- Zara's storyline continued. Zara's sincere joy at the opportunity to live with Nika under the same roof. Deeper development of her character. Meeting and night street basketball with a couple from a rival college, which will clearly play a role in the plot in the future. A very important key phrase that the MC can say to Zara, I think this opens up Zara's route.
- Mila's storyline continued. A short scene which allows the MC to finally settle up Mila's route and decide if he wants to be with her.
- The most important key scene of the entire chapter is the visit to the book club. Introduces MC to the women of Wollust's high society. Opens up many further plots, but now much of the information is still vague and its meaning ambiguous. At the very least we learn that:
- Noji has been a member of this club for a long time.
- Noji has a beef with Katie Zane, and Katie really wants to meet Nami and Nika.
- Noji and Amber knew each other well, but they played strangers to Nika when he had his first therapy session. This bothers him and he decides to look into it. And now he doesn’t know what else Noji is hiding from them and why.
- The women in the book club clearly know something about Nami and Nika that Nami and Nika don't.
- Nika has the opportunity to communicate with Sasha and begin their closer acquaintance. They both suffer from panic attacks.
- WZ and Leia are alive and lurking somewhere nearby.
- The least interesting thing is the possibility of affairs with hot milfs.
- A rat infestation finally brings Noji and Nick together and forces Nami and Nika to decide to move into the student house. A stay at Nick's house allows MC to learn that Vanessa is strangely aware of his romantic life and knows too much about him and Mila. And training with Zara is inevitable and will start the next morning

Of course, I missed a lot and only skimmed over the key points of the fifth chapter. But all of this only makes sense if you're playing a story-focused game with adult elements. If you're waiting for porn, it's just a waste of time, at your fingertips holding Ctrl.

 

[faramata]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've read. I think he is more than well recognised in this particular field. More than the majority.

Maybe to you. And this is where the facepalm is sorely needed. He worded it pretty poetically, but yeah, if you want an example of perfectionism, you have the taxi driver in "Collateral" played by Jamie Foxx, who said he was only doing it temporarily, and when Tom Cruise asked him how long he'd been a taxi driver he said "15 years".