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So is the general consensus that the girl in the end is Bella's sister? I've literally never read up on this thread until this moment. Any theories on why the sister is in a coma? It also took me a minute to realize that the item the sister is holding is the teddy Bella stole. Well, looks like it anyways. My guess is that it used to belong to the sister but since she was in a coma Amber gave it to the MC. Also since it was my first time playing both games, How often do updates come out? From the little I've seen and heard from others, It's normally a good wait between them? It makes sense considering the quality of the games but does this dev make excuses and keep pushing back like some other big "dev" that wont get named?
Reason is very likely a car crash/accident like everyone else :ROFLMAO:

The teddy belonged to amber since she was little, she gave it the mc to be a role model of letting something go which is dear to your heart.

Bella didnt agreed with Ambers decision and considers the teddy as something belonging to her family - like a heirloom, so she took it back and gave it to her sister/put it in her room.

(Imo) it was meant to show that things matter to Bella even if her attitude not always displays it
 
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so after more than a year SG hasn't been progressing at all ? Thats a little disappointing. SG sometimes get like 2 update per year, or atleast 2 half updates. Now im not sure if we will get any at this rate this year
 

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so after more than a year SG hasn't been progressing at all ? Thats a little disappointing. SG sometimes get like 2 update per year, or atleast 2 half updates. Now im not sure if we will get any at this rate this year
Ocean decided to do around a 7000 render update and I believe he said all of S1 was around 12000. So he way over did and and there is the smallest amount of optimisum after this he goes back to around 2000 ish render updates shortening the time. But we'll see.
 
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Ocean decided to do around a 7000 render update and I believe he said all of CH 1 was around 12000. So he way over did and and there is the smallest amount of optimisum after this he goes back to around 2000 ish render updates shortening the time. But we'll see.

What do you mean CH1 will have 12000? Wasn't it 7000 for chapter 1? now it turns out that the 7000 renders will be with half a chapter or how is it?

If you already have 5000 renders and you have decided to return to the average of 2300 renders per update, why don't you divide the current work in 2 chapters and that's it? put a plot cut to segment it in 2 chapters and that's it, what's the point of making a chapter that lasts 3 chapters and then continue with shorter chapters?

I don't understand anything...
 

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so after more than a year SG hasn't been progressing at all ? Thats a little disappointing. SG sometimes get like 2 update per year, or atleast 2 half updates. Now im not sure if we will get any at this rate this year
He's too busy with WIAB.....now some here will tell ya that was already factored in but
um yeah :sneaky: ......Someone posted the first chapter has 12000 renders????? I'll believe that
when I see it, sometime late this year?:whistle:{thought it was 7000?}:unsure:
 

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What do you mean CH1 will have 12000? Wasn't it 7000 for chapter 1? now it turns out that the 7000 renders will be with half a chapter or how is it?

If you already have 5000 renders and you have decided to return to the average of 2300 renders per update, why don't you divide the current work in 2 chapters and that's it? put a plot cut to segment it in 2 chapters and that's it, what's the point of making a chapter that lasts 3 chapters and then continue with shorter chapters?

I don't understand anything...
Im sorry S1 was about 12000 S2 CH 1 is set to be 7000

Ocean from Steam:
"I must admit that I overdid it with the size of the next update. It will feature around 7000 still images.
To put this into perspective, Season 1 had 12000 in total.

So the next Chapter is almost as big as 60% of Season 1. "
 
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Ocean decided to do around a 7000 render update and I believe he said all of S1 was around 12000. So he way over did and and there is the smallest amount of optimisum after this he goes back to around 2000 ish render updates shortening the time. But we'll see.
The smallest amount of optimism is that Ocean said he'd go back to smaller sized updates. I'm not sure how that will work with all the branching for the different paths though. If you have 150 unique renders per path with 13 LI's currently, that's already 1950 renders per update, without the story based renders. Or maybe the path specific events will be smaller? I'm really not sure how he'll go back. My guess is that each update will have to have a limited amount of LI specific content to keep the size that low. Currently Sonya, Nadia, Elsa and Marla haven't had much contact with Nika, I don't expect any events more than bumping into them for a coffee or awkward glances in a class or something. But once everyone's paths are open, 1950 is a small number, because then there are all the lewdable characters...

It really depends on how much branching there is, as right now there isn't really a huge amount - although the paths are there, you can see almost all the content in one playthrough with minimal differences. So in a lot of ways, S2 Ch1 sets a bit of the scope for how Ocean will deal with branching.
 

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The smallest amount of optimism is that Ocean said he'd go back to smaller sized updates. I'm not sure how that will work with all the branching for the different paths though. If you have 150 unique renders per path with 13 LI's currently, that's already 1950 renders per update, without the story based renders. Or maybe the path specific events will be smaller? I'm really not sure how he'll go back. My guess is that each update will have to have a limited amount of LI specific content to keep the size that low. Currently Sonya, Nadia, Elsa and Marla haven't had much contact with Nika, I don't expect any events more than bumping into them for a coffee or awkward glances in a class or something. But once everyone's paths are open, 1950 is a small number, because then there are all the lewdable characters...

It really depends on how much branching there is, as right now there isn't really a huge amount - although the paths are there, you can see almost all the content in one playthrough with minimal differences. So in a lot of ways, S2 Ch1 sets a bit of the scope for how Ocean will deal with branching.
Definitely, Some scenarios could include, LI getting ignored for a longer period of time, some LIs maybe getting dropped, like for me at least some of the names Bob mentioned it's hard to see a path for some of these LI not to just be side LIs. It's technically still early for how the amount of time that has actually passed but, like said, some these interactions have been mere greetings and conversations that hold little weight and its hard to envision a path to get where some of the LI already are. Or the size will have to be 4-5 thousand renders or more to somehow keep everyone involved. Im grasping at straws, and this is just me, but maybe half chapters just to keep a somewhat "steady" release timeline. But its all speculation and its just a waiting game like always.
 

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Definitely, Some scenarios could include, LI getting ignored for a longer period of time, some LIs maybe getting dropped, like for me at least some of the names Bob mentioned it's hard to see a path for some of these LI not to just be side LIs. It's technically still early for how the amount of time that has actually passed but, like said, some these interactions have been mere greetings and conversations that hold little weight and its hard to envision a path to get where some of the LI already are. Or the size will have to be 4-5 thousand renders or more to somehow keep everyone involved. Im grasping at straws, and this is just me, but maybe half chapters just to keep a somewhat "steady" release timeline. But its all speculation and its just a waiting game like always.
We've already had half chapters - the ~2200 renders from ch4.5 to ch5 beta for example, before the next ~2000 renders from ch5 beta to full. Ocean dropped the half numbers and now just calls each release a chapter. There's no industry standard that says a chapter is a particular length or has a cliffhanger, or anything. It just is what it is.

The steady release timeline is only achieved by setting realistic targets, so in my mind if he can deliver ~2000 render updates twice a year, we're in a much better place, Ocean's in a much better place. Given he's done ~5200 since the last release (I'm going to guess almost all the work he'd done on season 2 prior to releasing season 1 he's already redone), this isn't impossible. Whether he does it, we'll see. Once we're over this massive release, lets see if he can focus on building a healthier workflow.

As to the LI's well, he didn't intend for a shut in recluse to suddenly date everyone in the first three days of college. It'll be easy to get the rest up to speed, it's simply supplying the opportunities. Zara and Sasha have had the tiniest of interactions, but they both grabbed people's attention in an instant. All Ocean has to do is deliver content and each LI has a rabid fan base who'll want OCean to focus on only that path.... :coffee::sneaky:
 

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Ok, I finally get around to getting back to this game and it has all of these patches and such. SO..... Which patch or patches should I download for the most ORIGINAL version of the game before the dev sold his soul to Steam and Patreon? Yes I hate when a dev this gifted butchers his work to satisfy the dollar gods. Yes I also know that games of this depth and quality aren't cheap, but I had the original "Pre Steam" version and was able to see how badly it got butchered. SOOO......

Which mods not including the walkthrough mod should I download?
There are multiple "different" mods that appear to be done for different content. What order should they be installed in to prevent errors or nonsensical dialog?

Any help is appreciated.

DEV - I still love your work!! Don't hate me! I just hate what you have had to do to it just to get Steam and/or Patreon to accept it.
 
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Ok, I finally get around to getting back to this game and it has all of these patches and such. SO..... Which patch or patches should I download for the most ORIGINAL version of the game before the dev sold his soul to Steam and Patreon? Yes I hate when a dev this gifted butchers his work to satisfy the dollar gods. Yes I also know that games of this depth and quality aren't cheap, but I had the original "Pre Steam" version and was able to see how badly it got butchered. SOOO......

Which mods not including the walkthrough mod should I download?
There are multiple "different" mods that appear to be done for different content. What order should they be installed in to prevent errors or nonsensical dialog?

Any help is appreciated.

DEV - I still love your work!! Don't hate me! I just hate what you have had to do to it just to get Steam and/or Patreon to accept it.
I use the uncut mod, because some good shit was taken out to make the steam release more PG or whatever, plus some other stuff that Ocean didn't like I suppose. That has an incest patch built in as well. Plus I suppose you can use scrappy's WT mod, I haven't tried it as I know what most of the choices do by now. I have no need for anything else really.
 
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The steady release timeline is only achieved by setting realistic targets, so in my mind if he can deliver ~2000 render updates twice a year, we're in a much better place, Ocean's in a much better place. Given he's done ~5200 since the last release (I'm going to guess almost all the work he'd done on season 2 prior to releasing season 1 he's already redone), this isn't impossible. Whether he does it, we'll see. Once we're over this massive release, lets see if he can focus on building a healthier workflow.
TBF, I'm having a little doubt that Ocean will ever be able to achieve a steady release timeline or schedule.
To me he seems to be an "artist type", a multi-talented one. The artist types I happen to know and have worked with or helped, tend to be somewhat undisciplined, somewhat irrational, kind of airheads. The more talented, the more they seem to float around with their heads in the clouds (I don't mean the chemical or medicated kind) and the less they seem to be connected to reality. Unless you are able to cope with it and not stress yourself over their quirks and forgive them their lack of discipline up to a level, you won't be able to work with them.

I could be wrong about this, but reading Oceans dev logs makes me think the opposite. I hope that he won't go as far as cutting off his own ear, but I think you know what I'm talking about.

And I can live with that. He does what he's good at the way he prefers and is able to do it. He is clearly not slacking off, as some angry guys love to accuse every developer they know.
Trying to make him work in a way that seems more rational and efficient to people who may have more experience working on schedule and with clear deadlines, might have an opposite effect (The ear, remember?! :HideThePain:), so there's no point complaining about it or stressing over it the way some do.
 

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Ok, I finally get around to getting back to this game and it has all of these patches and such. SO..... Which patch or patches should I download for the most ORIGINAL version of the game before the dev sold his soul to Steam and Patreon? Yes I hate when a dev this gifted butchers his work to satisfy the dollar gods. Yes I also know that games of this depth and quality aren't cheap, but I had the original "Pre Steam" version and was able to see how badly it got butchered. SOOO......

Which mods not including the walkthrough mod should I download?
There are multiple "different" mods that appear to be done for different content. What order should they be installed in to prevent errors or nonsensical dialog?

Any help is appreciated.

DEV - I still love your work!! Don't hate me! I just hate what you have had to do to it just to get Steam and/or Patreon to accept it.
The "original" version of the game you seek before the dev sold out would be ch3.5 but although you can still find a link to that update in this thread, that version of the game has been discontinued. The content is finite and no longer supported although I would still heavily encourage you to try it out since it was my favorite version of this game. Sadly no mod restores the game to what it was before Steam.

That said, the next best thing would be what I described in the following post. Hope it helps!

Ask 10 people and you will likely have 10 different replies. It really depends on what your personal preference is. Some will try to scare you off of using mods with all sorts of doom scenarios like "breaking your saves". My advice is to disregard them. In 6 years of F95 and AVN's I've never broken a single fucking save by using mods. If your saves are broken it's either the dev's fault for messing up the update or lack of mod update, in which case you just need to wait a few days at worst. Or use the save fixer that the mods usually provide.

All that said, my reccomendation in this case for the better experience would be:
- Infamous Patch (should be self-explanatory)
- Walkthrough Mod (or just use URM it's always better)
- Uncut Mod (restores deleted scenes that were cut for..."reasons")
- Music Restoration Mod (restores amazing music that was once used in the game but dev lost licenses to continue using)

Choice is yours. Try them out and see what works for you. Have fun!
 
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