VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[Maviarab]

Maybe if you read everything I wrote in my post instead of deleting most of it for that one sentence, you would see I already offered multiple possibilities for her not sleeping with someone else while in an open relationship. She offered it with the intention of seeking companionship but events could keep her from getting the benefit of the open relationship. Like I have said many times now, just because you are in an open relationship, it doesn't mean you have to sleep with other people. It takes two people to decide to sleep with the other. She might want to but the guy doesn't. She might go out on a date but feel guilty and call it off. There are multiple possibilities for her to offer it but not get the perks of it. Notice I haven't even mentioned the cuckqueen route in any of my possible scenarios.

Maybe you need to learn some reading comprehension skills.

None of what you said offers absolutely any logical reason why she would offer it in the first place (when we know she won't take advantage of it). Why she wouldn't take advantage is fecking irelevent (in the course of this question...though there is also no logical reason for that either).

Look, let me spell out the writing for you.

1. She is too busy for her fiancé ? Check.
2. Too busy for anyone else? Check.
3. Relationship falling apart? Check.
4. Won't/refuses to cheat? (even though sis talks her into...but the dev says she won't lol) Check.
5. Is lonely? Check.
6. Solution? Offer fiancé open relationship? Check. Reason? Wtf knows...

7. Profit?

Now, there are very, very few reasons why a woman would ever offer her partner this relationsip. In fact, there's only 3. Gets off on it (nope...not in this case)...wants to fuck others herself (nope...neither here either)...or wants to offer it her partner to blame him for the breakup she wants (possibe but not as far as the dialogue goes at least).

I'll await an aswer...a logical one...reasonable....any at all....just one.

 

[quorkboy]

Here's a possibility: she sensed she might lose the MC and felt that offering an open relationship could give him a reason to stay with her.

I'm not saying this was why but you asked for something reasonable and that fits the bill.

 

[Maviarab]

Here's a possibility: she sensed she might lose the MC and felt that offering an open relationship could give him a reason to stay with her.

I'm not saying this was why but you asked for something reasonable and that fits the bill.

Ok...that's a solid reason. (have edited my post btw while you were replying). Now in what logical world would any female actually think that would work? Oh I'm afraid I might lose him...let's give him a free pass....that's sure to make him stay with me? I'm sure some women have...somewhere...and also sure they are slightly mentally unstable too. Almost as bad as getting pregnant to keep a guy.

But unlike the other guy....thanks for at least offering some kind of reason she would offer it...as deluded and foolish as it actually would be. The question we have to ask here is, do we think her character (so far) is deluded, foolish, obessesive and so utterly attached to the MC that she would literally do anything to keep him?

I don't...mileage may vary on that opinion though.

 

[quorkboy]

I agree it's not the best plan. Kind of a terrible one. Last resort territory. Maybe she's that afraid of being alone. A woman who seems tough on the outside may not be so much when it comes to romantic relationships.

I also have a problem with the idea that she's not going to even try to do anything with anyone else. If the reason I offered is what Nicole was thinking then I suppose it makes sense. But if her reason was any other then the only explanation I can come up with for her not doing anything with anybody (not even a date, not even trying to pick up guys at a bar) is "the anti-NTR crowd who are okay with a male MC fucking anyone he pleases will throw a fit if an LI does the same even by mutual agreement with the MC."

And if she is going to try then it needs to be shown or at least mentioned so that we can understand why it still doesn't happen for her.

 

[Trikus]

Maybe you need to learn some reading comprehension skills.

None of what you said offers absolutely any logical reason why she would offer it in the first place (when we know she won't take advantage of it). Why she wouldn't take advantage is fecking irelevent (in the course of this question...though there is also no logical reason for that either).

Look, let me spell out the writing for you.

1. She is too busy for her fiancé ? Check.
2. Too busy for anyone else? Check.
3. Relationship falling apart? Check.
4. Won't/refuses to cheat? (even though sis talks her into...but the dev says she won't lol) Check.
5. Is lonely? Check.
6. Solution? Offer fiancé open relationship? Check. Reason? Wtf knows...

7. Profit?

Now, there are very, very few reasons why a woman would ever offer her partner this relationsip. In fact, there's only 3. Gets off on it (nope...not in this case)...wants to fuck others herself (nope...neither here either)...or wants to offer it her partner to blame him for the breakup she wants (possibe but not as far as the dialogue goes at least).

I'll await an aswer...a logical one...reasonable....any at all....just one.

1. Agreed.
2. Not so sure, she finds time to meet her sister for drinks.
3. Not really falling apart, life is just getting in the way of the relationship. Both still love each other.
4. You know that the Devs didn't tell her that, right? She suggested the open relationship intending to get the benefits. It doesn't mean she will get them. Unless I missed a bit of dialogue where she says she can predict the future, she doesn't know what will happen.
5. Yup, well, she has her sister now and again.
6. The reason, for both of them to explore their options. He jumps right into bed with Vicky a couple of hours later, she takes her time. She doesn't know that she won't find anyone at time of offering.

7. We will see.

Your three reasons. 1. Yup, not going to happen. 2. She intends to play the field when she offered it. She doesn't know the devs aren't going to let her. I intended to do a lot of things this year, doesn't mean I have been able to do them thanks to this bloody pandemic. 3. Again, not going to happen. They both still love each other.

One last time, to make it easy for you to delete most of what I write when you quote me again: She offers the open relationship fully intending to also take advantage of it, but she cannot predict the future. Just because she intends to do something, doesn't mean she will get the opportunity. She isn't one of those characters like Deadpool who can break the 4th wall and know what the devs have in store for her.

 

[freedom.call]

Hyperserver who seems to be close to the dev stated categorically Nicole.will.not.stray. I'm assuming that is correct. Now why Nicole would offer a one sided deal I dunno, no logic there.

I'm sure she'll sort him out when she arrives. Ex popping up seems to be a theme. Rachel, Bethany, Nicole.

 

[Hyperserver]

Why did she offer it (also knowing Hyper vehemently denied there is a cuckqueen route). She just did this out of the goodness of her heart?

What? Quiet the opposite - I was the one who mentioned a possible CQ route, which would be destroyed if Nicole would be "scripted out"

 

[Hyperserver]

Hyperserver who seems to be close to the dev stated categorically Nicole.will.not.stray. I'm assuming that is correct. Now why Nicole would offer a one sided deal I dunno, no logic there.

I'm sure she'll sort him out when she arrives. Ex popping up seems to be a theme. Rachel, Bethany, Nicole.

you are right - and i still stick to what i've said.
The story is just in it's first few days. There will be a LONG story following.
Maybe take in thoughts that characters may change based on the sory happening (without giving too much away).
There are lot's other games where character turned from hated into loved - and other way around.
Just give MrDots a chance - and judge AFTER the whole story is told - and not rage about every single line of text (which makes you THINK to know what will happen in future)

 

[freedom.call]

you are right - and i still stick to what i've said.
The story is just in it's first few days. There will be a LONG story following.
Maybe take in thoughts that characters may change based on the sory happening (without giving too much away).
There are lot's other games where character turned from hated into loved - and other way around.
Just give MrDots a chance - and judge AFTER the whole story is told - and not rage about every single line of text (which makes you THINK to know what will happen in future)

I'm not raging. The open relationship or not is a pretty big moment in the story so far though. And as you know, we like to dissect everything here. Especially the big games and devs get their fair or unfair share.

 

[Hyperserver]

I'm not raging. The open relationship or not is a pretty big moment in the story so far though. And as you know, we like to dissect everything here. Especially the big games and devs get their fair or unfair share.

sorry - i am not talking about you in special - i am talking in general - first let the story happen - and if AFTERWARDS there is a reason to complain, it's fair enough to do - just not in advance.

 

[freedom.call]

sorry - i am not talking about you in special - i am talking in general - first let the story happen - and if AFTERWARDS there is a reason to complain, it's fair enough to do - just not in advance.

I hear you. Unfortunately this is what we do. Some complain, some praise, some don't say a word. You have to expect people commenting good or bad after every update, that's part of this place.

Most of us don't complain in writing here unless we like much of the game.

 

[Trikus]

Hyperserver who seems to be close to the dev stated categorically Nicole.will.not.stray. I'm assuming that is correct. Now why Nicole would offer a one sided deal I dunno, no logic there.

I'm sure she'll sort him out when she arrives. Ex popping up seems to be a theme. Rachel, Bethany, Nicole.

As I have said many times, Nicole isn't omnipotent. She cannot break the 4th wall and ask the developers if she will stray or not. She doesn't offer a one sided deal. She offers an open relationship. She just doesn't know that she won't get any.

 

[freedom.call]

As I have said many times, Nicole isn't omnipotent. She cannot break the 4th wall and ask the developers if she will stray or not. She doesn't offer a one sided deal. She offers an open relationship. She just doesn't know that she won't get any.

I'm guessing the dev told Nicole, not the other way round.

 

[Hyperserver]

I'm guessing the dev told Nicole, not the other way round.

exactly like that - lol

 

[Trikus]

*Door slams open"

Nicole: WHAT. THE. HELL!!!
MrDots: Oh, hello Nicole. Can I help you?
Nicole: DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!
MrDots: About what?
Nicole: You made me suggest an open relationship with my boyfriend right?
MrDots: Yep, what's wrong with that?
Nicole: I noticed that you are planning on letting him have sex with everyone while he is living in paradise while I'm stuck here alone in this rainy hell hole, is that right?
MrDots: Yeah, is there a problem?
Nicole: I've seen Hyperserver say that I won't get any for myself. I looked at the script and he's right. In an open relationship I'm getting nothing.
MrDots: Oh, yeah, well, you know, that's how things are.
Nicole: Seriously? Nothing? I get nothing? This wasn't in my contract when I agreed to it. I thought I would get something as well. Why else would I offer it?
MrDots: The thing is, people don't like it when the girlfriend of a main character gets to have sex without the main character being involved. So, yeah, you don't get anything.
Nicole: And that is my problem. I wouldn't have signed the contract if you had told me that.
MrDots: Sorry Nicole. My hands are tied. You are still involved in the story though.
Nicole: OH FOR F*CK'S SAKE!! You just pissed of a successful lawyer! SEE YOU IN COURT!!!

*Storms out grumbling nasty adjectives about MrDots*

 

[Hyperserver]

*Door slams open"

Nicole: WHAT. THE. HELL!!!
MrDots: Oh, hello Nicole. Can I help you?
Nicole: DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!
MrDots: About what?
Nicole: You made me suggest an open relationship with my boyfriend right?
MrDots: Yep, what's wrong with that?
Nicole: I noticed that you are planning on letting him have sex with everyone while he is living in paradise while I'm stuck here alone in this rainy hell hole, is that right?
MrDots: Yeah, is there a problem?
Nicole: I've seen Hyperserver say that I won't get any for myself. I looked at the script and he's right. In an open relationship I'm getting nothing.
MrDots: Oh, yeah, well, you know, that's how things are.
Nicole: Seriously? Nothing? I get nothing? This wasn't in my contract when I agreed to it. I thought I would get something as well. Why else would I offer it?
MrDots: The thing is, people don't like it when the girlfriend of a main character gets to have sex without the main character being involved. So, yeah, you don't get anything.
Nicole: And that is my problem. I wouldn't have signed the contract if you had told me that.
MrDots: Sorry Nicole. My hands are tied. You are still involved in the story though.
Nicole: OH FOR F*CK'S SAKE!! You just pissed of a successful lawyer! SEE YOU IN COURT!!!

*Storms out grumbling nasty adjectives about MrDots*

GENIOUS

 

[Trikus]

GENIOUS

thank you

 

[Maviarab]

Hyperserver who seems to be close to the dev stated categorically Nicole.will.not.stray. I'm assuming that is correct. Now why Nicole would offer a one sided deal I dunno, no logic there.

I'm sure she'll sort him out when she arrives. Ex popping up seems to be a theme. Rachel, Bethany, Nicole.

Exactly...

What? Quiet the opposite - I was the one who mentioned a possible CQ route, which would be destroyed if Nicole would be "scripted out"

I know you did..and you told us it was catagorically off the table. So as freedom said...no logical sense as to why she wouldm offer it. The routes again are unimportant, the logic beyond them and the writing is.

I hear you. Unfortunately this is what we do. Some complain, some praise, some don't say a word. You have to expect people commenting good or bad after every update, that's part of this place.

Most of us don't complain in writing here unless we like much of the game.

Yup....

As I have said many times, Nicole isn't omnipotent. She cannot break the 4th wall and ask the developers if she will stray or not. She doesn't offer a one sided deal. She offers an open relationship. She just doesn't know that she won't get any.

Still wittering on. Doesn't fecking matter what she does or doesn't think/know...Hyper himself told us she will not cheat. So enough with your fourth wall bollox and she doesn't know what will happen in the future...WE DO!

So knowing this information..it throws the writing, plot and logic right out of the window. I get it's an adult game...some large parts of suspension of disbelief arre required...but it still needs to be based upon some sort of logic.

Done here though...pointless. Like arguing with 7 year olds as to why they can't have ice cream before dinner. Will be back once the update drops. We shall see if/how it improves.

 

[Ayhsel]

The thing is, people don't like it when the girlfriend of a main character gets to have sex without the main character being involved. So, yeah, you don't get anything.

In my opinion, as long as it was only lesbian sex people would have been happy. I myself love reading lesbian scenes, to be honest.

But what do I know. If there is anything I learned in this forum is that people can complain about absolutely anything.

 

[Trikus]

Still wittering on. Doesn't fecking matter what she does or doesn't think/know...Hyper himself told us she will not cheat. So enough with your fourth wall bollox and she doesn't know what will happen in the future...WE DO!

So knowing this information..it throws the writing, plot and logic right out of the window. I get it's an adult game...some large parts of suspension of disbelief arre required...but it still needs to be based upon some sort of logic.

Done here though...pointless. Like arguing with 7 year olds as to why they can't have ice cream before dinner. Will be back once the update drops. We shall see if/how it improves.

Do you understand how fiction works? Just because we the audience knows something doesn't mean a character does. Like, in a slasher movie. We know the killer is in a room, but the character doesn't. Should that character make the right decision and not go in that room, thereby making a slasher movie where absolutely nobody dies? Or do they go into that room, satisfying the story and being a victim. Take Robocop. We the audience knows that Murphy is going to get murdered by Clarence and his gang. Murphy makes the decision to try and arrest them even though we know that was a stupid decision and he is about to die. Superman 2. The audience knows that General Zod and his team are on Earth but Superman doesn't and gives up his powers halfway through the movie. Playing to what the audience knows, Superman wouldn't have done that. Jaws. The audience knows the shark is close by but the characters don't. If they did they would stay out of the water. The Dark Knight. We the audience know what will happen to Harvey Dent, but he doesn't. Otherwise he wouldn't have got in that car to get kidnapped and set on fire.

Just because we know Nicole won't sleep with anyone, doesn't mean she and the MC know that. Her offering the open relationship makes sense for the character at the time she suggested it.