VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.982] [WeirdWorld]

[DrakoGhoul]

A lot of people seem hell bent on the "Isekai Protagonist combo platter special." At this point I wonder how many of the refutations i game are weird just world building and how much of it is him saying "Please stop asking about this."

I hope in the next update, MC tries to use electric eel power, and he blows his own arm off. He's already said he doesn't want to try it.

In other news, M vs. T. I think M has the distinct advantage of explicitly having "drain energy" vs someone who was trying to shoot him with lasers. Like, Presence of Apostles in the air besides, This was not a good matchup for T.

It's so bizarre to still even want it. The MC is already confirmed to have the most unique abilities in game and has the potential to be the strongest known spawn out of everyone when he reaches his peak, Level 5. You would think people would be happy but they rather have everyone else's power instead of the MC being creative with his own.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Think about this for a single second here, instead of hating on Xanthe and always doubting his knowledge. Why would Xanthe tell the MC he shouldn't pursue it, if it was possible? He would've encouraged it, not persuade the MC not to ruin his own power going around collecting half baked powers and weakening himself. Like, this is Xanthe, the guy who's willing to go far to test out theories and powers. This same guy is telling you, it'll ruin you and you somehow still doubt it anyway?

And after seeing what the Eye did and what it wants, you really believe it's just going to hand the MC the ability to copy powers, even if it was possible, or make monsters give the MC connections to their power? If you still do, I hope you're ready to sacrifice Ella, Alice, Michael and several others for it because that's going to likely be the bare minimum requirement on top of giving your body up.

Let it die already. If this isn't enough to dissuade you guys about this silly ass power copying stuff, I hope he implements it but permanently weakens the MC's stats in the process. We'll see how much you guys love being weak with useless amounts of even weaker powers.

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[okokok]

anyone know when will the walkthrough get update?

Usually a day or two after the final version is out

Think about this for a single second here, instead of hating on Xanthe and always doubting his knowledge. Why would Xanthe tell the MC he shouldn't pursue it, if it was possible? He would've encouraged it, not persuade the MC not to ruin his own power going around collecting half baked powers and weakening himself. Like, this is Xanthe, the guy who's willing to go far to test out theories and powers. This same guy is telling you, it'll ruin you and you somehow still doubt it anyway?

Xanthe seems actively disinterested in the spiritual side of monster powers. It's possible he just does not want to waste time on anything he can't replicate in a lab

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

A lot of people seem hell bent on the "Isekai Protagonist combo platter special." At this point I wonder how many of the refutations i game are weird just world building and how much of it is him saying "Please stop asking about this."

I hope in the next update, MC tries to use electric eel power, and he blows his own arm off. He's already said he doesn't want to try it.

In other news, M vs. T. I think M has the distinct advantage of explicitly having "drain energy" vs someone who was trying to shoot him with lasers. Like, Presence of Apostles in the air besides, This was not a good matchup for T.

I didn't know this was a big issue with the community. I wasn't saying I PERSONALLY wanted it to happen, Drako is just in a mood maybe people have been whining to him about it.

I agree though, he SHOULDN'T be able to do it, or at least UNTIL end game, when we'll be so op it wouldn't really matter to begin with.

To the eel and electricity thing though I do wish EVENTUALLY (at a higher Evolution) we can get rid of those weakness. A lot of Superhumans aren't even from an Apostle yet have virtually no real weakness instead just having to be beaten through brute force. The face that Lvl 5 bodies don't need to eat, breath, age, survive the vacuum of space, etc. It would be really stupid if by Lvl 5 we were still fucking allergic to something as mundane as lightning.

The fire and acid or corrosive weaknesss makes sense though cause it's more of an inconvenience than an actual, "Oh I just touched electricity changing a light blub? Guess I'll just die through spontaneous implosion!"

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Calm down all I'm saying is Xanthe's word isn't divine mandate, he can be wrong. He's always been concerned about the LOGICAL side of things, but Superhuman abilities are anything but logical. If we become Level 5 one day and have a deeper understanding of a Superhuman's not just genetic makeup but also their memories, why COULDN'T it be a possibility?

The chances are low sure, but again we are only Lvl 3, and regardless if you have to give up all of your friends to have the possibility through the Arbiter it doesn't deter from the fact that it's a possibility.

It most certainly would probably be a weaker, less refined version compared to the original owners of it was implemented true. But that's what's nice about Lvl 5s, they have nothing BUT time to grow their powers, even more so if it turns out to be true that we can copy eventually. Even if we just took a few passives out of a playbook it strengthen us without having to mastery all the finer details of a new attack or ability.

My hate for Xanthe isn't really hate just distrust. I never said he was stupid, he just doesn't know EVERYTHING, and taking everything that comes out of his mouth as fact will only limit what we could theorize based on other factors. Some of the things I'll always gaslight him on is:
-He doesn't know how to find the primary monster matches for certain Superhuman Genes.
-He can't replicate Ella's pills
-He doesn't even know about the Apostles, instead listing them as an uncategorized class of monster that are RUMORED to be seen by people that have evolved
-He had limited interaction with intelligent (speaking) monsters. We've been at this for a year and have probably had a conversation with more than him

And the list only seems to grow the more I see him. What I do notice is he does CATEGORIZE things, like making up the Levels, Classes of monsters, etc. But anyone can do that. He TESTED on us and gave us rare lifeforms, but again; anyone can fucking do that (given enough resources). His primary feats other than being highly intelligent are:
-Making serums
-Making monster armor and weaponry
-Isolating the Monster gene, or at least figuring out it exists.

I'm not saying he ISN'T smart enough to figure these things out. I'm saying he IS smart enough to figure these things out yet still hasn't over 60 years while others have in less than a decade. Yet people still seem to think he knows EVERYTHING and ALL the possibilities about Superhumans.

I personally wouldn't want the MC to have these abilities unless it was like end game when it doesn't matter anyways. If he gets it, cool, if he doesn't, cool.

I am calm. My point still stands. You're way too eager to doubt Xanthe at every turn when he's trying to tell you that pursuing it will ruin yourself. This very same person has no problem sacrificing people to test shit out and you still, for whatever reason, don't want to listen to him.

You're also conveniently bring up that he doesn't know everything while forgetting that Xanthe is human. He figured this shit out with his own intellect and research. He studied this shit. He didn't get carried by monsters passing knowledge on *cough* Ella *cough*.

At this point, WW will just have to come out and tell you guys straight up that it's not happening for you to drop it. Because clearly him telling you through Xanthe is going out the other side of your ears about it. Same way he said pregnancy isn't going to be a thing with Humans and Superhumans, with only monsters being the exception.

Xanthe seems actively disinterested in the spiritual side of monster powers. It's possible he just does not want to waste time on anything he can't replicate in a lab

Xanthe wouldn't be wasting any of his own time. It would be all on the MC. So my point still stands. He wouldn't try to persuade the MC from doing it himself, if it was possible.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Usually a day or two after the final version is out



Xanthe seems actively disinterested in the spiritual side of monster powers. It's possible he just does not want to waste time on anything he can't replicate in a lab

He also actively avoids the solutions to all of his problems. I've never seen a more self destructive scientist in my life. He has no problem experimenting on humans and doing WHATEVER needs to be done to obtain a specimen or material.

Yet when he wonders why a teenager one upped him and the other Captains in info it's almost like most of them have been AVOIDING CORRUPTION, the one thing we know actively links you closer to monster related info.

 

[FrapFappers]

Man I have not been keeping up with the discussion since v0.85.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

I am calm. My point still stands. You're way too eager to doubt Xanthe at every turn when he's trying to tell you that pursuing it will ruin yourself. This very same person has no problem sacrificing people to test shit out and you still, for whatever reason, don't want to listen to him.

You're also conveniently bring up that he doesn't know everything while forgetting that Xanthe is human. He figured this shit out with his own intellect and research. He studied this shit. He didn't get carried by monsters passing knowledge on *cough* Ella *cough*.

At this point, WW will just have to come out and tell you guys straight up that it's not happening for you to drop it. Because clearly him telling you through Xanthe is going out the other side of your ears about it. Same way he said pregnancy isn't going to be a thing with Humans and Superhumans, with only monsters being the exception.


Xanthe wouldn't be wasting any of his own time. It would be all on the MC. So my point still stands. He wouldn't try to persuade the MC from doing it himself, if it was possible.

I understand it's not EFFICIENT to utilize a billion different powers at once trying to master them all, but again; just because Xanthe says so and experiments on a bunch of people doesn't mean it's not possible.

You're right though, he's only human; which is exactly why he doesn't have all the fucking answers, he still thinks Superhuman confirmed info related to monsters speaking to them and what not is theory just cause he didn't test it on a god damn table himself. There's nothing wrong with that either, but if he wants to be logical I'm gonna take my chances figuring out how my LOGIC DEFYING powers work on my own instead of taking Xanthe's word at face value like it's been confirmed it won't work just cause he said so.

True, he didn't get his info like Ella did (the cheater), but there is someone else (like us) and other Superhumans that know more about monsters and what have you than him because he actively refuses to accept their words as facts. Completely rational, just don't come crying to people when he's suddenly wrong on his limited hypothesis; he's had decades to switch it up.

Xanthe has said it you're right, we can't have pregnancies or mimic powers. Must mean it will NEVER be a possibility down the line cause everyone knows when Xanthe says something, it really means W.W said it (kinda true now that I think about it).

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Man I have not been keeping up with the discussion since v0.85.

Welcome back, we've been theorizing and there's been an influx of Dogclapping courtesies of ItzSyther

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I understand it's not EFFICIENT to utilize a billion different powers at once trying to master them all, but again; just because Xanthe says so and experiments on a bunch of people doesn't mean it's not possible.

You're right though, he's only human; which is exactly why he doesn't have all the fucking answers, he still thinks Superhuman confirmed info related to monsters speaking to them and what not is theory just cause he didn't test it on a god damn table himself. There's nothing wrong with that either, but if he wants to be logical I'm gonna take my chances figuring out how my LOGIC DEFYING powers work on my own instead of taking Xanthe's word at face value like it's been confirmed it won't work just cause he said so.

True, he didn't get his info like Ella did (the cheater), but there is someone else (like us) and other Superhumans that know more about monsters and what have you than him because he actively refuses to accept their words as facts. Completely rational, just don't come crying to people when he's suddenly wrong on his limited hypothesis; he's had decades to switch it up.

Xanthe has said it you're right, we can't have pregnancies or mimic powers. Must mean it will NEVER be a possibility down the line cause everyone knows when Xanthe says something, it really means W.W said it (kinda true now that I think about it).

Once again, you're way too eager to doubt Xanthe at every single turn. This is the main problem. No matter what it's about, you're ready to disagree automatically. The fact that you don't even realize this is part of the problem. It's not even about him being always right or wrong. It's the fact that he tells you that this will have negative effects but you're against it because he's the one telling you it.

Xanthe could tell you directly that there's negative consequences to an action and you still wouldn't believe him. Even when the negative stuff happens immediately afterwards. You would just point the finger back at him and call him incompetent.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Once again, you're way too eager to doubt Xanthe at every single turn. This is the main problem. No matter what it's about, you're ready to disagree automatically. The fact that you don't even realize this is part of the problem. It's not even about him being always right or wrong. It's the fact that he tells you that this will have negative effects but you're against it because he's the one telling you it.

Xanthe could tell you directly that there's negative consequences to an action and you still wouldn't believe him. Even when the negative stuff happens immediately afterwards. You would just point the finger back at him and call him incompetent.

You're right I'm going to doubt a lack of results from one guy, doesn't mean I'll doubt everything from him.

-I have nothing against the monster gear or weapons (looking forward to it actually).

-I have nothing against his eugenics, makes sense to isolate the monster compatibility gene as long as it doesn't effect me (which it doesn't).

-I have nothing against him obtaining specimens of rarity for me to absorb.

-Nothing against his categorization. I didn't argue an S Class isn't an S Class just cause he said it was.

-I agree with him on the focus being to grab specimens for monster research instead of slaughtering all of them.


You know what all of those have in common? They are all LOGICAL shit you can test and research as a human. Now what I don't trust is:

-Take his serum for instance; it obviously works, but I've seen OTHER SOURCES that may determine it might upset your Progenitor (Ella & the 3rd) or weaken your overall strength as a result (Malik, Bernhardt, and Henri are all natural and considered some of if not the strongest). It's up to you to determine if that's a safe route for you to take, just cause Xanthe says it is despite his limited knowledge and/or belief of Monster connections with Superhumans (due to dissuading Corruption and idk, being HUMAN), forgive me if I don't trust him at face value in the matter.

-Him saying we CAN'T do something with our powers, the whole start of this argument. He's had YEARS of research on various Superhumans yes, but even he admits multiple times in fact that there are MANY aspects to Superhumans that just defy all logic, WE have seen that is true. Superhumans, and their abilities more so, go far beyond a test tube and a human's intelligence on the matter. There's an added bonus that every Superhuman is unique, more so us being an Apostle(s) spawn & an Arbiter's favorite, 2 things Xanthe doesn't even fucking know exist in the first place. So if he says I can't do something based on what he dissected in a lab I might be inclined to put that up for debate, as I'm doing now.

-I'm 50/50 on the pregnancy, I'd say it's true that it's IMPOSSIBLE if it wasn't for what we are and what we can do to other people down to not just the mental but genetic level, especially later on. As for anyone not involved or influenced by us, probably not, but monsters by nature love to breed and this is a porn game, you're telling me pregnancy will NEVER be a thing for US (and those we influence ofc) just cause Xanthe said so?




So no, I don't just blindly ignore what he says, but I also don't blindly believe it like some people seem to, and you can't fault others for thinking the same given everything we know and he doesn't, both from a narrative AND character perspective.

Again though, if we could eventually utilize other's powers it wouldn't necessarily be a negative or inefficient thing. It also doesn't make you an Isekai fanboy or whatever just cause people want the potential of something that's possible and don't want to accept Xanthe's word at face value when we nor he is even Lvl 5 yet. There are plenty of one trick pony powers or passives we could utilize to expand on our overall strength. Take Klaus's energy for example; we don't have to learn how to become Goku and shoot lasers out of our ass, but we could learn his passive shielding to be tankier when we're stationary. Or expand on Demi's perception ability and merging it hand in hand with our Memory ability. I would welcome THAT addition to our arsenal as we'd still be the same and focusing our main powers, just with added bonuses that may potentially help pass a skill check if you consumed someone, something like that. If it doesn't happen though, great, nothing has changed. If it's added, great, Xanthe ISN'T the game's puppeteer and we can finally stop taking his word at face value as if he is and shaming others for thinking he wasn't initially.

 

[JoeSlace]

So there is a way to get on the monster's planet? Guess i will play again shuahsiua

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

So there is a way to get on the monster's planet? Guess i will play again shuahsiua

There's like a new Dead End that I BELIEVE explores it, though I'm not 100% certain that's what it was.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

You're right I'm going to doubt a lack of results from one guy, doesn't mean I'll doubt everything from him.

-I have nothing against the monster gear or weapons (looking forward to it actually).

-I have nothing against his eugenics, makes sense to isolate the monster compatibility gene as long as it doesn't effect me (which it doesn't).

-I have nothing against him obtaining specimens of rarity for me to absorb.

-Nothing against his categorization. I didn't argue an S Class isn't an S Class just cause he said it was.


You know what all of those have in common? They are all LOGICAL shit you can test and research as a human. Now what I don't trust is:

-Take his serum for instance; it obviously works, but I've seen OTHER SOURCES that may determine it might upset your Progenitor (Ella & the 3rd) or weaken your overall strength as a result (Malik, Bernhardt, and Henri are all natural and considered some of if not the strongest). It's up to you to determine if that's a safe route for you to take, just cause Xanthe says it is despite his limited knowledge and/or belief of Monster connections with Superhumans (due to dissuading Corruption and idk, being HUMAN), forgive me if I don't trust him at face value in the matter.

-Him saying we CAN'T do something with our powers, the whole start of this argument. He's had YEARS of research on various Superhumans yes, but even he admits multiple times in fact that there are MANY aspects to Superhumans that just defy all logic, WE have seen that is true. Superhumans, and their abilities more so, go far beyond a test tube and a human's intelligence on the matter. There's an added bonus that every Superhuman is unique, more so us being an Apostle(s) spawn & an Arbiter's favorite, 2 things Xanthe doesn't even fucking know exist in the first place. So if he says I can't do something based on what he dissected in a lab I might be inclined to put that up for debate, as I'm doing now.

-I'm 50/50 on the pregnancy, I'd say it's true that it's IMPOSSIBLE if it wasn't for what we are and what we can do to other people down to not just the mental but genetic level, especially later on. As for anyone not involved or influenced by us, probably not, but monsters by nature love to breed and this is a porn game, you're telling me pregnancy will NEVER be a thing for US (and those we influence ofc) just cause Xanthe said so?




So no, I don't just blindly ignore what he says, but I also don't blindly believe it like some people seem to, and you can't fault others for thinking the same given everything we know and he doesn't, both from a narrative AND character perspective.

Again though, if we could eventually utilize other's powers it wouldn't necessarily be a negative or inefficient thing. There are plenty of one trick pony powers or passives we could utilize to expand on our overall strength. Take Klaus's energy for example; we don't have to learn how to become Goku and shoot Lazers out of our ass, but we could learn his passive shielding to be tankier when we're stationary. Or expand on Demi's perception ability and merging it hand in hand with our Memory ability. I would welcome THAT addition to our arsenal as we'd still be the same and focusing our main powers, just with added bonuses that may potentially help pass a skill check if you consumed someone, something like that.

Having nothing against monster gear, eugenics, monster corpses and classifications is irrelevant. And if I'm being brutally honest, I even doubt this is completely true coming from you. You would find some hole in some of it and complain about Xanthe and/or HERO being incompetent in some way.

You didn't see any sources, in reference to Ella evolving via a serum. The 3rd wasn't upset with Ella because of that. Her brushing him off would be the likely cause. This take is also instantly refuted by Michael evolving via the serum and the 2nd watching over him during it, with seemingly no issue with his spawn taking it. Which just adds another unfound critique you have formed against Xanthe for no reason.

As for the rest of your post. I guarantee if you switched Xanthe with Ella, this discussion wouldn't even be happening right now. She could tell you every single thing that Xanthe has said and you wouldn't even doubt or question anything passed the intentional thought. While still finding some fault with Xanthe, even if he told you all that info first. You would give all the credit to her.

This is not even about taking things at face value because I don't agree with several things said by Xanthe. It's the fact that you're clearly biased against this character and for whatever reason, think Xanthe has to be wrong about something as the default conclusion.

This is where the discussion ends. This already distracted me from my ass paradise long enough. Get your last bars off and make it count because I'm likely not going to reply to it after this point. I got to start up my new playthrough after that is finished.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Having nothing against monster gear, eugenics, monster corpses and classifications is irrelevant. And if I'm being brutally honest, I even doubt this is completely true coming from you. You would find some hole in some of it and complain about Xanthe and/or HERO being incompetent in some way.

You didn't see any sources, in reference to Ella evolving via a serum. The 3rd wasn't upset with Ella because of that. Her brushing him off would be the likely cause. This take is also instantly refuted by Michael evolving via the serum and the 2nd watching over him during it, with seemingly no issue with his spawn taking it. Which just adds another unfound critique you have formed against Xanthe for no reason.

As for the rest of your post. I guarantee if you switched Xanthe with Ella, this discussion wouldn't even be happening right now. She could tell you every single thing that Xanthe has said and you wouldn't even doubt or question anything passed the intentional thought. While still finding some fault with Xanthe, even if he told you all that info first. You would give all the credit to her.

This is not even about taking things at face value because I don't agree with several things said by Xanthe. It's the fact that you're clearly biased against this character and for whatever reason, think Xanthe has to be wrong about something as the default conclusion.

This is where the discussion ends. This already distracted me from my ass paradise long enough. Get your last bars off and make it count because I'm likely not going to reply to it after this point. I got to start up my new playthrough after that is finished.

You don't get to say I doubt Xanthe at every turn and then when I bring up points I DON'T doubt about him, you completely ignore them for the sake of your own argument; even just to add that you yourself DOUBT what I said was even true, guess we can both doubt stuff hmm...

In regards to the serum, the reason I brought up Ella is because we know that with each Evolution or even infection, you have to meet a certain criteria for various areas. Be that compatibility with the monster, physically, mentally, etc. etc. So if they DO have a hand in our Evolutions to an "extent", what do you think happens when you start forcing said Evolutions against their wishes? Sure, you're right; the 2nd was fine with Michael using it but that was at Lvl 1 to 2. Everyone has said that the 5th is an ENTIRELY different Lvl, it's also probably the Lvl we really get in touch with our monster (high Corruption risk & all that). If all of that is true, the people who haven't been Evolving probably aren't evolving due to the conditions they haven't met yet. Which is why I was certain it was implied the 3rd was mad at Ella because she used the serum to Evolve and that's why she "wasn't worthy" I could be wrong, but it's a suspicious I have. Along with the other points like Bernhardt, Malik, & Henri being considered some of the strongest Superhumans at H.E.R.O but I guess we'll ignore that point again. If Xanthe could disprove any of this I'd be more than happy to take his serum and trust his infinite wisdom but oh wait! He hasn't had he...shame...

Ya I probably wouldn't doubt if Ella told me. Know why? Cause she's a SUPERHUMAN and not to mention significantly more alike in terms of powers than the POWERLESS 80 yr old man, actively DOESN'T fight against Corruption so she knows the monster sides of it, and seems to know more than him anyway despite the serum. So yeah, if the roles were reversed, cool. Would I still explore the options, sure, cause she doesn't have the Memory trait like we do so there's potential we could do things she thought we couldn't (plus the Arbiter likes us). So I'm not biased AGAINST Xanthe as a whole, just this particular instance, I'm not going to blindly listen to his limited knowledge of the matter as if W.W confirmed it himself he hasn't and when we haven't tested it ourselves, AND we aren't at our full potential, end of story.

 

[Grimnir098]

Bernhardt, Malik, and Henri are the strongest superhumans at H.E.R.O. because they've been at level 5 for longer than anyone else. That means they benefit from a level 5 growth rate, instead of a level 4 or level 3 growth rate like the others.
Remember, the serum was only perfected and used on Nico, Nyx, Lucius, Alexis and the others some time after the game's start, which means they only reached level 5 recently.
Bernhardt, Malik, and Henri have probably been at level 5 for years. We know Henri at least went from level 1 to level 5 within a week.

 

[Bleh21]

Haha feels good to be fully vindicated on Liz in fact not being a gold digger. She cares about the MC the most out of everyone in the group that's not family. She just thinks she and the MC can't have a relationship cause they're both depressed, not "u 2 short 4 me". When she comments about the MC being so different yet feeling the same, its literally because the MC is getting rid of his depression and helping her with her depression as well. The MC is literally fixing her.

It's literally a story about a girl who think she's incapable of showing emotions slowly learning what it means to love. As much as I like NTR, gotta say the love route is pulling ahead.

The update was a 10 just for that emotional flashback alone. Probably the most romantic scene in the game too in the love route. Really didn't expect that from the most emotionless character in the game. Though reaaaally makes me feel bad for her in the NTR route.

 

[JetHawk]

You don't get to say I doubt Xanthe at every turn and then when I bring up points I DON'T doubt about him, you completely ignore them for the sake of your own argument; even just to add that you yourself DOUBT what I said was even true, guess we can both doubt stuff hmm...

In regards to the serum, the reason I brought up Ella is because we know that with each Evolution or even infection, you have to meet a certain criteria for various areas. Be that compatibility with the monster, physically, mentally, etc. etc. So if they DO have a hand in our Evolutions to an "extent", what do you think happens when you start forcing said Evolutions against their wishes? Sure, you're right; the 2nd was fine with Michael using it but that was at Lvl 1 to 2. Everyone has said that the 5th is an ENTIRELY different Lvl, it's also probably the Lvl we really get in touch with our monster (high Corruption risk & all that). If all of that is true, the people who haven't been Evolving probably aren't evolving due to the conditions they haven't met yet. Which is why I was certain it was implied the 3rd was mad at Ella because she used the serum to Evolve and that's why she "wasn't worthy" I could be wrong, but it's a suspicious I have. Along with the other points like Bernhardt, Malik, & Henri being considered some of the strongest Superhumans at H.E.R.O but I guess we'll ignore that point again. If Xanthe could disprove any of this I'd be more than happy to take his serum and trust his infinite wisdom but oh wait! He hasn't had he...shame...

Ya I probably wouldn't doubt if Ella told me. Know why? Cause she's a SUPERHUMAN and not to mention significantly more alike in terms of powers than the POWERLESS 80 yr old man, actively DOESN'T fight against Corruption so she knows the monster sides of it, and seems to know more than him anyway despite the serum. So yeah, if the roles were reversed, cool. Would I still explore the options, sure, cause she doesn't have the Memory trait like we do so there's potential we could do things she thought we couldn't (plus the Arbiter likes us). So I'm not biased AGAINST Xanthe as a whole, just this particular instance, I'm not going to blindly listen to his limited knowledge of the matter as if W.W confirmed it himself he hasn't and when we haven't tested it ourselves, AND we aren't at our full potential, end of story.

Malik, Bernhardt and Henri were also the first ones to achieve their fifth evolution which likely contributes to their power level over the other level fives. During this update Xanthe does cut himself off as he's saying a natural evolution wouldn't be nearly as something, which to me doesn't sound like it's going to cause weaker evolutions. Obviously Michael and Tiffany are only achieving their second evo at this point so could the same sentiment hold true at the level five I don't know. But one thing we can be fairly certain of is that HERO does have a lot of data and knowledge on evolutions, likely more than Ella just due to the numbers difference they have as Ella's crew was very small in scale in comparison to HERO.

Onto to the whole anti corruptions thing I honestly have no idea where you are getting this impression that he is anti-corruption. Sure he invented the helmet to help keep corruption in check but there doesn't seem to be any real mandates to wear it. During the wedding Nyx will even comment on you not wearing it and ask if you're interested in the corruption aspect of your powers so they can clearly tell who is and isn't wearing it and yet nobody cares that you aren't. Not only that but most if not all of the high ranking HERO members are all corrupted to fuck. Nyx herself kills and revives people just to increase it, there's no way in hell you could refute Bernhardt not being on the path to max his corruption out with his open distaste for humanity. So to say the info he and the captains have is inferior due to them avoiding corruption is just blatantly false.

Lastly onto your notion of him not knowing anything about the Apostles even going so far as to say he doesn't know of their existence. Again during the Michael and Tiffany evolution scene we can see him clearly talking about detecting them during the evolution process, he's even surprised they only detected one due to Tiffany's not making an appearance. He goes on to show that he knows about their avatars and that they have a true form somewhere which should be the only important thing and then theorizes could the true form also be dead. So while they might potentially not define them as apostles as others do clearly he and HERO knows about them even being able to detect their presence during evolution.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Anyway, I have returned from ass paradise. Now, I'm exhausted as shit. I'll have to start my new 5th Playthrough later. Instead of fully redoing my Murderhobo, I just figured I'd just do a 5th one.

It's pretty much the same as my main. The 4th is still Mommy. Danica still alive. The only difference is I'll focus max skill points first and then build into power and corruption. Basically, I'm doing a "balanced" playthrough. My Main prioritizes power with corruption coming secondary and skill third. My Corruption Main prioritizes both power and corruption. My Murderhobo prioritizes body count over everything. Skill MC with 0 Corruption obviously prioritizes skill stat. So this new one will do all three together, when possible.

So now that I've got that out the way. It's time to reveal this playthrough name. I've had so many names with Darkness, Void, Night, Dark Night and so many more. So I've settled on the new hero name "Veil" with this playthrough. This one is going to be tricky to get right but I'll figure it out as I go.

 

[Amjdfattali12]

It's so bizarre to still even want it. The MC is already confirmed to have the most unique abilities in game and has the potential to be the strongest known spawn out of everyone when he reaches his peak, Level 5. You would think people would be happy but they rather have everyone else's power instead of the MC being creative with his own.

Can i use this version on joiplay + I want a full save