ShadowAsgard

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Hi guys, i am right into the new update in the cavern: when a certain someone attacks us we have the option to knock them out or embrace them, but for me its not avaiable, but i shoud have maxed out everything. What did i do wrong?
 

Krytax123

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We've got another dead end with the Eye. It's a lot more lucid this time around, but it still stays vague enough to be frustrating. And it doesn't last long before Bernhardt just obliterates it. Things we learn in the dead end:
  • None of H.E.R.O.'s power trio should be as strong as they are. There's something weird about all of them. Malik is "completed, but kept whole by faith". Henri is "ascendant, yet still unborn". Bernhardt is "old, but somehow unbound".
  • Bernhardt has an attack called Planck Pressure that's so strong that it distorts the fabric of reality in its path. Assuming that the name is literal and that he's actually producing the Planck Unit of pressure, his attack subjects the target to about ten million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times the pressure at the heart of a neutron star. Let's hope he's exaggerating for dramatic effect, or we're never catching up to that.
  • The Eye remembers manifesting and being defeated before. It knows that last time it appeared, things failed because of "the aberrant". I got some theories about what that means, but I'm not ready to jump to conclusions. And when Bernhardt kills it, it comments on its cruel fate of dying over and over and over again, but that evolution requires hardship. Its last words before dying are "until next time".
  • The "She" that the Eye needs to complete itself is probably not Ella. It remembers Ella's name, but not the name of the "She" that is key to its completion.
I get the impression that the "natural order" of superhumans and monsters is to evolve until they are ready to be the perfect vessel. Im not sure if the choosen are supposed to be the vessel's for the arbiters/gods when they "come back" but i think so?

Following this thought these 12 or 6 at the moment are supposed to fight/kill each other sooner or later which leaves one winner behind who is the true good at this point (possessed by the arbiter? or reborn or whatever. This seems to be the nature in which the monsters believe and Ella imo adopted that, dropping hints in this update how great the group of friends of the MC is but in the end there can be only one.

Kinda links to Coles "only one" obsession too even tho he thinks its about being Ella's lover but i suspect at this point its Ella's goal to become part of the MC at some point.

But there seems to be another way the monsters and Ella doesnt really know about and it looks like its (as cringe as it sounds) its connected to love/friendship/companionship.

The choices from the eyes pointed towards that since the beginning and i think the eyes perception of Bernhardt/Mailik/Henri does too, all of them were the perfect vessels and should have turned/transformed already a long time ago but were able to resist their destiny/whatever.

Bernhardt being "unbound" could indicate that he simply destroyed his arbiter out of existance (maybe with help from Malik and Henri?), i always wondered how these over-powerful guys like the captians developed such a strong bond due to over fighting humans or weak monsters and it always was kinda odd how close for example Bernhardt and Malik or Henri are considering their entirely opposite personalitys, a bound like that seems to be forged due to true hardship.

Like maybe eradicating an arbiter out of existance together? Something which isnt supposed to be possible and only was possible because the three of them (or all 5 captains) were allied together? So they learned to appreciate and understand how much they need each other no matter how powerful every one of them becomes on their own? Im just brainstorming at this point lol.

Im not sure its possible to catch up to bernhardt in the time of the story lol, i suspect he will cease to exist due to indra or something completly out of there (the god tentacles?)

I think being reborn and dying kinda is the whole game of the arbiters, it sounds the neverending battle of who's able to manifest and stay in reality between the gods, so they would have naturally manifested countless times in countless worlds/galaxys already.

I think the "she" that she needs to complete itself is the mc's mom. She may took something with her when she "left", this could be the reason why her mom is "pissed" at her too

Edit: In the long run this would kinda mean the mc can either absorb all of our allies into him to become the overpowerful being and they become a part of him like Jack or Danica are already or we fight instead together with our allies against the arbiter?
 
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Dark479

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You actually just need Life, Resurrection, Eyes. The final choice doesn't matter for unlocking the dead end.
All that for a dead end...why? I have done nothing but avoid dead ends. I caught a couple by accident early on when I tried to play the game blind but otherwise no...just no. Fuck dead ends.
 
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sexoffended

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I get the impression that the "natural order" of superhumans and monsters is to evolve until they are ready to be the perfect vessel. Im not sure if the choosen are supposed to be the vessel's for the arbiters/gods when they "come back" but i think so?

Following this thought these 12 or 6 at the moment are supposed to fight/kill each other sooner or later which leaves one winner behind who is the true good at this point (possessed by the arbiter? or reborn or whatever. This seems to be the nature in which the monsters believe and Ella imo adopted that, dropping hints in this update how great the group of friends of the MC is but in the end there can be only one.

Kinda links to Coles "only one" obsession too even tho he thinks its about being Ella's lover but i suspect at this point its Ella's goal to become part of the MC at some point.

But there seems to be another way the monsters and Ella doesnt really know about and it looks like its (as cringe as it sounds) its connected to love/friendship/companionship.

The choices from the eyes pointed towards that since the beginning and i think the eyes perception of Bernhardt/Mailik/Henri does too, all of them were the perfect vessels and should have turned/transformed already a long time ago but were able to resist their destiny/whatever.

Bernhardt being "unbound" could indicate that he simply destroyed his arbiter out of existance (maybe with help from Malik and Henri?), i always wondered how these over-powerful guys like the captians developed such a strong bond due to over fighting humans or weak monsters and it always was kinda odd how close for example Bernhardt and Malik or Henri are considering their entirely opposite personalitys, a bound like that seems to be forged due to true hardship.

Like maybe eradicating an arbiter out of existance together? Something which isnt supposed to be possible and only was possible because the three of them (or all 5 captains) were allied together? So they learned to appreciate and understand how much they need each other no matter how powerful every one of them becomes on their own? Im just brainstorming at this point lol.

Im not sure its possible to catch up to bernhardt in the time of the story lol, i suspect he will cease to exist due to indra or something completly out of there (the god tentacles?)

I think being reborn and dying kinda is the whole game of the arbiters, it sounds the neverending battle of who's able to manifest and stay in reality between the gods, so they would have naturally manifested countless times in countless worlds/galaxys already.

I think the "she" that she needs to complete itself is the mc's mom. She may took something with her when she "left", this could be the reason why her mom is "pissed" at her too

Edit: In the long run this would kinda mean the mc can either absorb all of our allies into him to become the overpowerful being and they become a part of him like Jack or Danica are already or we fight instead together with our allies against the arbiter?
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FakeTemplar

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All that for a dead end...why? I have done nothing but avoid dead ends. I caught a couple by accident early on when I tried to play the game blind but otherwise no...just no. Fuck dead ends.
Some dead ends show bits of information that are interesting to see, especially when involving the Eye or the apostles.
 
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TheOneZR

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I am still hoping that in the end when mc reach that point of evolution he assimilates the origin and rise as himself gonna have to be low corruption for sure.
 

Zorad

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I'm going to be honest the state of the twins pisses me off to no end...but hey, MC was able to help Deryl so he better be able to help the twins. But this is so much worse than Deryl because I never much cared what became of him. And I am a bit sad that high corruption will provide literally nothing but negatives for the MC, I was really hoping there would be some benefits there similar to Nyx whose entire power is corruption based and she's not insane or dead and got through her evolutions just fine but we don't get anything but blocked paths and dead ends which just sucks...there really should have been a counterbalance to corruption where it also opens up some things not just take things away but oh well...cheating it is. Not that I have much choice since I played the game unable to know or plan for any of this.
Realistically speaking, the MC will probably find a way to fix them. I would prefer he didn't, but his powers are probably the best suited for this.

As for the corruption thing: it's too early to tell. I do think the corrupted MC will have some exclusive choices during battles or encounters with monsters (like with the Minyak) but, according to WW, if you want a more romantic experience with the LI's you should keep your corruption low.

Here's him explaining in his own words if you are interested:
 

Lolikanion

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I'm going to be honest the state of the twins pisses me off to no end...but hey, MC was able to help Deryl so he better be able to help the twins. But this is so much worse than Deryl because I never much cared what became of him. And I am a bit sad that high corruption will provide literally nothing but negatives for the MC, I was really hoping there would be some benefits there similar to Nyx whose entire power is corruption based and she's not insane or dead and got through her evolutions just fine but we don't get anything but blocked paths and dead ends which just sucks...there really should have been a counterbalance to corruption where it also opens up some things not just take things away but oh well...cheating it is. Not that I have much choice since I played the game unable to know or plan for any of this.
If you have so much corruption that it starts blocking paths then its clear that you are not playing the "good person" route.
Like, think about it. The more corrupted mc is, the less empathetic he will be.
It makes sense that you wont be able to choose the nicer options, becuase MC literally isnt able to do that.
 

lg545

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Well, my guess post time skip MC rematch against Cole (1 on 1) which already adapt to his 4-th lvl evolution would cause MC 4 lvl evolution
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Deryl would face Thanos - i think after what he did to Amber and Liz, their rivalry was establish
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Michael would face in rematch against Met - they have personal issues to solve with each other (this fight probably would bring Michael to lvl 3)
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Problem is with Alice: right now she did not have establish "personal enemy" = she did not have her own "boss battle" which could trigger her evolution:
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1)Met does not suit in this role since he had nothing personal against Alice
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2)Claus aunt ( invisible assassin ) - she has her personal motives against Alice but she is too weak in terms of raw power to posses any threat to Alice. She is more support type of unit
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3)Someone from twins...ahh...sound like a stretch. I mean from narrative stand point they have nothing in common
 
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