VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[BenoTF25]

Nah. WW has said the MC is never gonna have an H scene with Michael or Deryl.

Neat tbh, im not against shapeshifter charas having it bot ways(quite the opposite), but with how the mc relationship is build with those two, would be weird in a non-hot way

 

[GodOfAll]

Neat tbh, im not against shapeshifter charas having it bot ways(quite the opposite), but with how the mc relationship is build with those two, would be weird in a non-hot way

well, i mean the mc will most likely get a chance to kill and absorb them down the road. Would be strange to think "wouldnt fuck but would kill, eat and absorb them and get all their memories". I just like degeneracy, I mean MC was fucking a zombie.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

To be honest I tihnk im alone in this opinion but I dont even believe that the eye is the arbiter. Imo the daddys of the apostles are gone and the eye is a unique mutation akin to the arbiter forged in the impure body of MC. Its obvious throughout the game that apostles shit on any tier 5 and all monsters alike so whenever MC lets the eye take over he always gets fucked, if its by lochan a tier 4 time trait user or tier 5 bernhardt. And would it not make sense for the 3rd or 4th apostle to try to inform us about the arbiter being inside us?

I don't think it was made inside the MC, it claims to exist within all monsters and just have reached its furthest growth within him. But I do agree that it not being the original Arbiter but just something like it is possible. The MC senses that the Eye is a "a blasphemous, traitorous fragment". I can see the Apostles finding the Arbiters as blasphemous, since they don't want the prior pantheon of gods to be acknowledged. But traitorous? That suggests that the Eye's very existence is somehow a betrayal of the Apostles, and that wouldn't be the case for an Arbiter. I think it was something created in defiance of the Apostles, not something that existed before them.

I have one theory that is based on only a single data point, and therefore not a good theory, but it feels compelling to me. If you read the memories of the colossi corpse in the lava zone, you learn that in the distant past a woman who remembered forbidden knowledge conspired with a shapeshifter who was chosen to speak for the gods, in order to do something that would betray the Apostles. Memory and Body, working together on a blasphemy. What if they're responsible for the Eye? Whether intentionally, or as a consequence of some other goal.

 

[BenoTF25]

well, i mean the mc will most likely get a chance to kill and absorb them down the road. Would be strange to think "wouldnt fuck but would kill, eat and absorb them and get all their memories". I just like degeneracy, I mean MC was fucking a zombie.

Yeh, in a way eating them is even more "intimate", but fucking them feel a bit weird(from a meta perspective), and i dont even know if they would be down for it, as much of a horndog Deryl is, i dont see him fucking the femc, and Michael is, well himself

 

[KyngC]

source pls

He said so on stream. I can't find which one exactly but if you check Deryls wiki page on the triva section it says that.

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To maybe get your hopes up WW has says that he lies and gives out false info on stream sometimes so take this with a grain of salt.

 

[peruanosexy]

Some people right now
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MC is nothing but a selfish guy! Not even to help his friends get out of their drought!

 

[Jonathan Y]

So, after all this time, does anyone have an idea of who the entity inside the MC is? How and why is it there?

There are many clues in the game. The death "Too Strong Too Soon" suggests that the entity might be sought after by the Apostles, like Apostle Number 4, or even the Apostle of Darkness who appears shortly after.


Additionally, in the death we experience during the 3rd evolution, a monster kneels as if we have full authority over it. Moreover, this entity says, "The first has no authority over us." Who could be so powerful and essential to this point?

Well... in the same death, the entity also mentions that it's looking for a girl, saying "She is the key." Could it be that, just like the logic of the duplicates, this entity has another half inside this girl?
Well... maybe only Lochan Deus knows

The girl he mentions is Ella, the Eye says I believe in the first bad end that he needs to ''find their chosen'', with ''their'' meaning the chosen of the 3rd and 4th Apostle aka Ella. And he does find her when he dominates Goliath, and then get's teleported by Nico, and afterward just before Lochan shows he tried to locate his way back to her in Hexenringe's dimension.
He also mentions Ella right before Bernhardt destroys him, so yeah the ''girl'' is likely Ella.

And the ''Too Strong Too Soon'' bad end has nothing to do with the Eye. That end is just Ella realizing the Mc is the perfect candidate to become an avatar for the 4th ( and/or 3rd ) given he in inherited both traits, memory and body, she tries to offer him to the 4th but is stopped by The Lord Of Dark, who apparently has a thing for cockblocking his fellow apostles from gaining avatars.
But thus far nobody in-game mentioned or even knows the existence of the Eye.

 

[zandalari]

I don't think it was made inside the MC, it claims to exist within all monsters and just have reached its furthest growth within him. But I do agree that it not being the original Arbiter but just something like it is possible. The MC senses that the Eye is a "a blasphemous, traitorous fragment". I can see the Apostles finding the Arbiters as blasphemous, since they don't want the prior pantheon of gods to be acknowledged. But traitorous? That suggests that the Eye's very existence is somehow a betrayal of the Apostles, and that wouldn't be the case for an Arbiter. I think it was something created in defiance of the Apostles, not something that existed before them.

I have one theory that is based on only a single data point, and therefore not a good theory, but it feels compelling to me. If you read the memories of the colossi corpse in the lava zone, you learn that in the distant past a woman who remembered forbidden knowledge conspired with a shapeshifter who was chosen to speak for the gods, in order to do something that would betray the Apostles. Memory and Body, working together on a blasphemy. What if they're responsible for the Eye? Whether intentionally, or as a consequence of some other goal.

We know that the Apostles live in a higher dimension and only occasionally manifest in our reality. As far as we know no one has seen an Arbiter since time immemorial, but we know they exist. Would not be a stretch to assume that they hang out/sleep in an even higher dimension that is normally inaccessible to anyone else and can't normally manifest at all.

Going off that I always assumed that the Eye is just a fragment of an Arbiter, not the real deal. It lacks memories and knowledge of what it is and needs more host power to form a proper connection to the higher dimension where only the gods reside. Needs to reconnect to its main self.

If we take the "blasphemous, traitorous fragment" line seriously then it could be because it was never meant to manifest at all. Some deranged super ritual took place that invaded the resting place of the gods and chipped a whisker off one and brought it down to earth. Traitorous because if it was done by the 3rd and 4th then they went against the wishes of other Apostles. Blasphemous because they touched a god and perhaps even went against their wishes. Whatever it is, it's not some mutation. All other monsters kneel in front of it. It's a king, a god or both.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

The eye most recently here made mention of severing our connection with the Third and the Fourth. Maybe in order to develop the Evolution trait, we need to give up our Body and Memory abilities, at least temporarily.

On a secondary note, I think if we do in fact acquire the Evolution trait, it should break the current system. Like, we can expect Apostle spawn to be the best within the system, but Arbiter spawn should be beyond the system. I'm talking about "We can go as many Evolutions high as we want" sort of nutty. "I think I will evolve to Level 47 now, good luck everybody else."

 

[Zekethor]

I don't think it was made inside the MC, it claims to exist within all monsters and just have reached its furthest growth within him. But I do agree that it not being the original Arbiter but just something like it is possible. The MC senses that the Eye is a "a blasphemous, traitorous fragment". I can see the Apostles finding the Arbiters as blasphemous, since they don't want the prior pantheon of gods to be acknowledged. But traitorous? That suggests that the Eye's very existence is somehow a betrayal of the Apostles, and that wouldn't be the case for an Arbiter. I think it was something created in defiance of the Apostles, not something that existed before them.

I have one theory that is based on only a single data point, and therefore not a good theory, but it feels compelling to me. If you read the memories of the colossi corpse in the lava zone, you learn that in the distant past a woman who remembered forbidden knowledge conspired with a shapeshifter who was chosen to speak for the gods, in order to do something that would betray the Apostles. Memory and Body, working together on a blasphemy. What if they're responsible for the Eye? Whether intentionally, or as a consequence of some other goal.

well maybe that girl is still out there, it could be Ella, or what I personally believe... Emily but we'll see

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

We know that the Apostles live in a higher dimension and only occasionally manifest in our reality. As far as we know no one has seen an Arbiter since time immemorial, but we know they exist. Would not be a stretch to assume that they hang out/sleep in an even higher dimension that is normally inaccessible to anyone else and can't normally manifest at all.

Going off that I always assumed that the Eye is just a fragment of an Arbiter, not the real deal. It lacks memories and knowledge of what it is and needs more host power to form a proper connection to the higher dimension where only the gods reside. Needs to reconnect to its main self.

If we take the "blasphemous, traitorous fragment" line seriously then it could be because it was never meant to manifest at all. Some deranged super ritual took place that invaded the resting place of the gods and chipped a whisker off one and brought it down to earth. Traitorous because if it was done by the 3rd and 4th then they went against the wishes of other Apostles. Blasphemous because they touched a god and perhaps even went against their wishes. Whatever it is, it's not some mutation. All other monsters kneel in front of it. It's a king, a god or both.

That's an interesting interpretation for "traitorous" that I hadn't considered, that it's not the Chosen of the 3rd and 4th betraying them but the 3rd and 4th themselves betraying all the other Apostles. I do kind of get the sense that there's dissent among the Apostles. Even leaving aside the 7th's very obvious opposition to the others, we know that something has led to Indra killing several Chosen and that Apostles seven through twelve aren't expected to show up for the Black Moon. Maybe the 3rd and 4th went against the other Apostles, and that's why the Eye exists. I like that idea.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

That's an interesting interpretation for "traitorous" that I hadn't considered, that it's not the Chosen of the 3rd and 4th betraying them but the 3rd and 4th themselves betraying all the other Apostles. I do kind of get the sense that there's dissent among the Apostles. Even leaving aside the 7th's very obvious opposition to the others, we know that something has led to Indra killing several Chosen and that Apostles seven through twelve aren't expected to show up for the Black Moon. Maybe the 3rd and 4th went against the other Apostles, and that's why the Eye exists. I like that idea.

I believe in the first scene that we see the Eye, the Third and Fourth are standing off to the side subserviently.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I believe in the first scene that we see the Eye, the Third and Fourth are standing off to the side subserviently.

It was never clear to me if they were staying silent out of subservience or because the Eye had hijacked the connection. The Eye instructs the MC not to talk to them, but that could be it wanting him not to address the help, or it could be it warning him about drawing attention to what it was doing. The thing likes its ambiguous phrasing.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

It was never clear to me if they were staying silent out of subservience or because the Eye had hijacked the connection. The Eye instructs the MC not to talk to them, but that could be it wanting him not to address the help, or it could be it warning him about drawing attention to what it was doing. The thing likes its ambiguous phrasing.

According to what we learn from Aglaecwif, the monsters, especially the older ones, revere the Arbiters as the "true gods". The Apostles are merely the interim gods awaiting the return of their masters. I feel this wouldn't be a sentiment shared by one of the Chosen if this is an opinion uncommon among the Apostles themselves.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

According to what we learn from Aglaecwif, the monsters, especially the older ones, revere the Arbiters as the "true gods". The Apostles are merely the interim gods awaiting the return of their masters. I feel this wouldn't be a sentiment shared by one of the Chosen if this is an opinion uncommon among the Apostles themselves.

Yeah, but Aglaecwif also says that she thinks praying to the Arbiters is foolish. And Ella says that most monsters won't even mention the Arbiters, and that she thinks the reason is that they're afraid of offending the Apostles by acknowledging their predecessors. So it might be that while the Apostles aren't supposed to rule in their own name, they want to. On the other hand, if the 3rd and 4th were betraying the other Apostles, they might be Arbiter loyalists. So I guess what I'm saying is that I have no solid idea.

 

[thegibusman]

Has the public/revised version been released?

 

[Dipasimaan]

Has the public/revised version been released?

Yes, like a week ago. The download link is right on the first post

 

[One_Black_Sun]

I wanted to say that the use of AI by weirdworld is EXTREMELY good and is the prim-example of how it should be used. Look at the cgs alone. You can see the passion but also the crazy amount. The new sprites looks all great, far cleaner but still hot and the monster designs looks way better in the 2d/3d mixture style. I think what's really important about this is that AI is basically useless and looks retardedly bad for people that can't draw, but for those who are creative and can draw, it's a massive plus. Especially if they want to produce new content.

The amount of scenes and art we get is insane, in one battle scene you have like 300 different cgs, in which the people move around and shape-shift like 100s of times, interact with the environment and cause massive changes to it. In many scenes we're people just TALK we get unique cgs, not just sprite + background. Meanwhile in basically EVERY other game this would be 1 CG and like 5 sprites (which would be the entire update for the next 3 months lol). For me no other game comes close to the atmosphere and feel of the game itself. It's really a great implementation of AI + skill + love for the work, I hope he continues to deliver at that speed and quality. (Only critique would be lack of Fmc content but I guess we'll get more in the future.)

You say that, but a lot of CGs of characters are them just standing in an A pose. It's quite jarring at times.