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Fresh playthrough for the first time since I started like update 0.4 or whatever. Are there new scenes in the beginning of the game like before and after the party? Its been a long time since I played through the early part of the game
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For number 4, I'd say the reason Nico seemed weak was because Ella was prepared for how she fights, rather than her being weak. Having a S class Hexenringe on her side, I'd imagine she could test any number of ways to plan around Nico's abilities, as anything Nico could throw at Ella, so too could Hex. Ella only got pushed back because Nico could do more of what Hex could do than what Ella expected. Deus almost definitely went into the past, probably right when or just before we did the Origin evolution, as that would probably be when our connection to the higher plane was weakest, giving him time to thoroughly destroy us.
Number 5 seems to be more so related to how well they are predisposed to the monster's genes, and probably how close they are to the source. If Alice wasn't one step removed, but five or even more, even she might not have been able to speak to her founding monster, like almost all of the other members of H.E.R.O.
I agree that Ella's not dead, but for different reasons. I think Ella's plan is to wait out the superhumans of H.E.R.O. until all of, or at least most of the lv 5s are fighting against S.I.N. or other monsters to revert her state back to life. Ella has told us that it is possible to alter another superhuman's powers if you can control the energy that they put into you, so Ella most likely used Nyx's power to put herself in a suspended animation like state where she seems to be dead, because even the energy radiating out of her corpse is "tainted" with Nyx's. What is she waiting for? To steal H.E.R.O.'s monster artifacts of course, she needs to get her hands on as many as possible it seems.
When it comes to natural vs safe evolutions, I think it would only really matter to our monster parents near the end of our evolutions (Possibly only during the 5th evolution, as that is the one with requirements to meet), though natural evolutions tend to have the trance state that allows us to better understand what new derivations of our powers have manifested. It might allow for a stronger base level of evolution, but maximum power per evolution seems to be more so dependent on the individual's affinity for the monster that turned them, and how early they got those powers (As implied by the S.I.N member who evolved during the war). I also think that is the reason why we aren't as powerful as Alice, I think we are more compatible with the monster that made our parents than with our parents themselves, which is why we have a lower level of power storage until we become able to use whatever power that being has (I think it is some limited form of Order, as the eye was the one to imply that we don't have to listen to the Authority of the 1st, but also because it is similar to how Ella could force herself to not change, even against powers arguably beyond what any being we've encountered besides maybe Aglaecwif could survive).
Shopkeep is most likely a Charlie like monster, rather than a Rebis. The Rebis species seems to focus on monster alchemy rather than trading. However, making a verbal pact? More specifically, one that can kill a lv 2 superhuman instantly and without retaliation? Sounds like a lv 4 or 5 version of Charlie's power, in a slightly different direction (One that requires us to accept the contract, rather than how Charlie's seems to be that she has to accept the contract). It also could explain how Shopkeep's stores always have him in them, if his powers allow him to sense that a contract could be made if he goes to a certain storefront, then he'll be in his store whenever someone needs him.
The really crazy part?
MC: So two of the strongest members in one team... Does that mean Cthulu is the most powerful team in H.E.R.O.?
Lisa: Ha! We'd be the strongest anyway. After all, we're the only team with all five members on their fifth evolution.
MC: What? Really?
Lisa: Mhm. For Team Reaper, Oberon, and Kronos, only the Captain is a level five. The lieutenants are all level 4, with a couple of exceptional level 3's thrown in. While in team Lucifer, only four of the five members are on their fifth evolution. Which makes us, from Team Cthulu, the undisputed strongest team, hmhm.
Malik, Nico, Clark and Alexis are all confirmed Level 5. Only one left.
Deus is Level 4.
I am playing through the new update, just wanted to mention something about MC's
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There's one major flaw in that plan, she will most likely be kept in a room much like Valravn, meaning any power will be surpressed/negated. Without inside help she's effectively dead, only thing i can think of is Charlie forcing MC to free Ella while getting Oscar. MC will infiltrate S.I.N. soon so i guess meeting Charlie is likely.
But how likely is it for Ella to put herself in a situation where she has no control at all or even a backup plan?
There's a lot that can go wrong, if Charlie gets killed or decides to defect, it's over for her. Remember Charlie only wants her brother free and demonsterfied and so far has done what she did for just that reason, she couldn't care less for S.I.N.
And then there's Nyx's mark, that extra life seems to offer several possibilities to escape any power from Charlie on you...
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Use search top right, there's a bunch posts explaining how to save Laurie...
- Jan 9, 2021
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There's several ways, but most importantly training. There's a walkthrough pdf on page one, it's outdated (0.94) but everything upto last update is in there. And any stuff happening in this update can be checked in the scripts too, it's just a wordpad file.
As for your way to get the power exact it depends on earlier choices, you can get +2 power if you don't exceed a certain amount but that's only possible on certain paths (can't be done if you got the + 3 power earlier in the game, you'll not make the necessary training points later, also you'll might mis some +Alice points getting that +2 power)
I think the tree is probably where she's hiding, if it's in the HERO base at all. Any infiltration plot was probably spun to Charlie as a way to save her brother and bring him back so there's no doubt she'll stay loyal for a long while still.
She'll probably stay in hiding, where ever she is, until shit hits the fan and there's a big conflict between HERO and SIN and she can slip in through the cracks during it. It's all pure conjecture obviously so who knows what will actually happen.
Its not much of a walkthrough. More of a scene guide. There's that sneaky dead end when you get the first sex scene with Ella (grew to strong to quickly) or w/e. I cant figure out how to get more than 12
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I see way more options for Ella to get into HERO base when she's with your dad and Jeff (?) or just with S.I.N.
She already was in two bodies at the same time, (at least i got that impression) it's much easier to have had another one transported by the Hex while part of her was effectively put in stasis by Nyx. Having an extra body inside HERO base might be valuable in the future, it's there if she needs it and she can still do whatever needs to be done now.
I agree, all of this, as well as every SIN member basically just saying Ella is an underling of Langdon feels like masterful redirection, HERO thinks she's dead and is focusing on SIN, so she can maneuver much better without them breathing down her neck to complete her personal objectives. It's already pretty well established that SIN is a means to an end for her and she couldn't give a rats ass if they all die or not, except for obviously her personal posse.
There's like 10 separate posts detailing how to save her both normally and by cheating, use the search function instead of being lazy.
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There is a glitch in the game and it still says level 2 with the old numbers, although I'm supposed to be level 3 now
Exactly my point. Guy controled future. Consider this...... Whether we want to stay with hero or not.... Whether there is a traitor that might turn on us......or us just being a dick, I'm not sure we can handle them in any situation possible.
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Honestly H.E.R.O holding back against S.I.N makes no sense. I'd wager a majority of that Diamond War was carried by the S Class alliances Monsters and Ella herself, both of which are out of the picture for them to have to deal with now.
I'd assume maybe it's because they want to weed out the key members with us in order to make sure they don't sprout back up, but again at the end of the day H.E.R.O just dominates.
I understand that they are in the way of Ella's objectives but she could not have thought that facing them in any caliber would've gone well, perhaps she didn't have a choice, I mean she is "dead" right now cause she got greedy with Nicolette but still.
Honestly boggles my mind just how outmatched she is in the grand scheme of things. Deus it seemed like didn't even participate in the main fight (nor did he have to), while even Goliath one of her big boy cards is now gone practically by the hands of Alexis alone (yes I know Malik killed it but Alexis with time would've eventually took it down) and she's I believe mentioned to not only be one of the newest Level 5s, but also one of the weakest along side Clark.
Those Monsters were her backbone but now that entire fallback is gone (unless she has more), a bunch of newbie Superhumans that band together with S.I.N won't hold a CANDLE to the elites or I dare say even the numbers of H.E.R.O. Sure they have the rich elites backing them but as Dexter had already mentioned, one of his Level 5s alone could probably overthrow the world government.
Shit even if she is trying to summon something as strong as what we turned into, Level fucking 4 Deus mopped the floor with that Level and I'm sure there are others like Bernhardt and Malik or even Nyx that have similar OP tricks up their sleeves as well. Only hope? Summon whatever the fuck ANNIHILATED Team Kronos, they are STILL injured to this day (got a feeling it was one of the Lords, hence why Xanthe has the corpse he used on Tiffany, presumed Lord Avatar).
I'd assume maybe it's because they want to weed out the key members with us in order to make sure they don't sprout back up, but again at the end of the day H.E.R.O just dominates.
I understand that they are in the way of Ella's objectives but she could not have thought that facing them in any caliber would've gone well, perhaps she didn't have a choice, I mean she is "dead" right now cause she got greedy with Nicolette but still.
Honestly boggles my mind just how outmatched she is in the grand scheme of things. Deus it seemed like didn't even participate in the main fight (nor did he have to), while even Goliath one of her big boy cards is now gone practically by the hands of Alexis alone (yes I know Malik killed it but Alexis with time would've eventually took it down) and she's I believe mentioned to not only be one of the newest Level 5s, but also one of the weakest along side Clark.
Those Monsters were her backbone but now that entire fallback is gone (unless she has more), a bunch of newbie Superhumans that band together with S.I.N won't hold a CANDLE to the elites or I dare say even the numbers of H.E.R.O. Sure they have the rich elites backing them but as Dexter had already mentioned, one of his Level 5s alone could probably overthrow the world government.
Shit even if she is trying to summon something as strong as what we turned into, Level fucking 4 Deus mopped the floor with that Level and I'm sure there are others like Bernhardt and Malik or even Nyx that have similar OP tricks up their sleeves as well. Only hope? Summon whatever the fuck ANNIHILATED Team Kronos, they are STILL injured to this day (got a feeling it was one of the Lords, hence why Xanthe has the corpse he used on Tiffany, presumed Lord Avatar).
I don't think she's some incredible mastermind or anything, but I do think cutting ties and "disappearing" for a while was on the agenda for her, to go back to working in the shadows on low profile things. Langdon/SIN is in for a rude awakening once they start being dismantled because without Ella/the monsters as you said, they have no god damn chance of survival.
Also it seems pretty clear that her goals can be accomplished without really bothering about HERO, seems like the only reason she ended up in this situation is because she lost the thing that she had to get Langdon to retrieve and ended up owing him a favour.
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