Ain't nothing wrong with getting some of that sweet bearussy my brother in mommy 4th. Human girls are sooooo overrated.
We've prepared for this day for so long.
But you all lack one thing in comparison to us Dogclappers...you lack unity. The moment the dogclappers disappear you are all back at each others throats. But not us, the dogclappers. We are unified under the greatest girl only second to mommy 4th herself.
We stand at the precipice my brothers against the hateful swarms. We lack the numbers, but we do not lack the faith our dearest Lady Shadow grants us and with our fervent belief in Mommy 4th's superiority we shall be victorious!
A mustache man who was quite evil once said "All you have to do is kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will crumble to the ground" we shall do this to this 'unified' front against our fair lady and those ever loyal to her.
But as mommy says in the tome, we aren't allowed to wage war against each other so instead....
I insult ye sir! You and all your foul wenches and their issues! Lady Shadow has no issues except being a protective sister! All hail the beta breaker! All hail protector of the weak willed! All hail the best girl! Lady Shadow reigns supreme
The fleas are just an extra way for her to spread love to those who worship her and the worms are bonus points to the horny . The bark is a sweet melody to the worshipers of her majesty...I can already hear those soothing notes!
The fleas are just an extra way for her to spread love to those who worship her and the worms are bonus points to the horny . The bark is a sweet melody to the worshipers of her majesty...I can already hear those soothing notes!
Superhumans can't get each other(unless they have a function in their power to allow it) or humans pregnant. We learn this in game. Some monsters are fair game though and we've already knocked up our Elder Monster Sister, Aglaecwif. The tag just wasn't add after this update like the Harem tag hasn't been, even though we have multiple women and more than 2 know about each other.
There's plenty we don't know yet about monster and half-monster abilities. I see no reason why a 'level 5' shapeshifter couldn't shapeshift some working sperm into his balls.
There's plenty we don't know yet about monster and half-monster abilities. I see no reason why a 'level 5' shapeshifter couldn't shapeshift some working sperm into his balls.
A constant thing in regards to shapeshifters and sperm is the fact despite the MC increasing in level his sperm disappears (quite quickly) no matter what. So even if he reached level 5 there's a good chance his sperm would disappear even if he busted a nut into a chick to get her pregnant.
So even if an egg would take hold of his sperm high chances are they'd disappear during the process or simply result in nothing.
Similar to a few attempts in real life where some scientists tried using human sperm to breed a orangutan, despite the close relation in genes a human and orangutan could never breed to make some weird ass hybrid.
Deryl mentions very early on something along the lines that the MC's body went through thousands (or hundreds cant remember) years of evolution so his body is too different from a regular human even with shapeshifting to mate.
To follow up on that last bit we know the MC can incorporate shit such as rubber into his body but it did next to nothing to stop electricity from deep dicking him, I feel like this rule also applies to his sperm. No matter how much he tries to change or do this or that there are set rules on what he can and cannot do even if he reached max level.
A constant thing in regards to shapeshifters and sperm is the fact despite the MC increasing in level his sperm disappears (quite quickly) no matter what. So even if he reached level 5 there's a good chance his sperm would disappear even if he busted a nut into a chick to get her pregnant.
So even if an egg would take hold of his sperm high chances are they'd disappear during the process or simply result in nothing.
Similar to a few attempts in real life where some scientists tried using human sperm to breed a orangutan, despite the close relation in genes a human and orangutan could never breed to make some weird ass hybrid.
Deryl mentions very early on something along the lines that the MC's body went through thousands (or hundreds cant remember) years of evolution so his body is too different from a regular human even with shapeshifting to mate.
To follow up on that last bit we know the MC can incorporate shit such as rubber into his body but it did next to nothing to stop electricity from deep dicking him, I feel like this rule also applies to his sperm. No matter how much he tries to change or do this or that there are set rules on what he can and cannot do even if he reached max level.
MC can grow a tendril and inseminate the egg but he is smart and play dumb so not to become the all father XD XD because im sure to say no to a lvl 5 is a bad idea
While yeah he could do that, the question is would the sperm remain with the egg? Chances are no. Sperm goes away too fast despite whatever level he was on thus far (and ong if he had the chance I'm sure he'd breed every bitch around him).
While yeah he could do that, the question is would the sperm remain with the egg? Chances are no. Sperm goes away too fast despite whatever level he was on thus far (and ong if he had the chance I'm sure he'd breed every bitch around him).
I can not say this any other way he has to go worse than the prison arc he has to go full fabius bile to get the recipe for those eggs right but first he has to hit lvl 5, smack junior, explain the harem why he has to smack junior and why there is a junior in the first place XD
There's plenty we don't know yet about monster and half-monster abilities. I see no reason why a 'level 5' shapeshifter couldn't shapeshift some working sperm into his balls.
While HERO isn't infallible, it's pretty clear that WW is telling everyone he doesn't plan to make the MC and others breed with humans and superhumans. Only monsters are the exception, currently. It's a heavily established part of the plot now and changing just for the MC would mess up the consistency of the game.
As much as I want to knock up Lexi, Dani, Nico, Ella, Alice, Nyx and so on. I've accepted that it's likely not happening. No matter what gymnastics or cope we try to make for it. That said, Mommy 4th isn't off the table and my own dream isn't dead yet like everyone else's. We already knocked of Aglaecwif this update as well. Mommy Worshippers and Monster Booty Lovers stay winning.
While HERO isn't infallible, it's pretty clear that WW is telling everyone he doesn't plan to make the MC and others breed with humans and superhumans. Only monsters are the exception, currently. It's a heavily established part of the plot now and changing just for the MC would mess up the consistency of the game.
As much as I want to knock up Lexi, Dani, Nico, Ella, Alice, Nyx and so on. I've accepted that it's likely not happening. No matter what gymnastics or cope we try to make for it. That said, Mommy 4th isn't off the table and my own dream isn't dead yet like everyone else's. We already knocked of Aglaecwif this update as well. Mommy Worshippers and Monster Booty Lovers stay winning.
Meh i take what i can. hell you are right this has Franchise potencial. Maybe we will get superhuman total war XD, Superhuman origins, superhuman 40k the Junior Heresy, superhuman III fairy hunt, superhuman creed Valhalla . And other parodies
Meh i take what i can. hell you are right this has Franchise potencial. Maybe we will get superhuman total war XD, Superhuman origins, superhuman 40k the Junior Heresy, superhuman III fairy hunt, superhuman creed Valhalla . And other parodies
Deryl mentions very early on something along the lines that the MC's body went through thousands (or hundreds cant remember) years of evolution so his body is too different from a regular human even with shapeshifting to mate.
The only reason Deryl could make that assessment is because he analysed a blood sample from the MC. That means his DNA endured outside of his body for long enough to be studied in a lab environment. That leaves the species barrier.
Teacher: Our species is too genetically diverse to breed, it'd be like a cat trying to mate with a dog.
...oh well, I guess that's it then. No kids in our future. (Puppies, kittens... I don't judge.)
There are a few inconsistencies when it comes to MC's fluids "vanishing". Some materials can "soak" them, also his blood can last long enough for Deryl to analyze while othertimes it just vanishes. I think that pregnancy will be left for the endings, unless it somehow becomes important for the plot. Aside from the fetish, if superhumans can't have kids and can't infect, then what's the endgame?
MC can change both his DNA and the target's DNA. Additionally he has the power of the 3rd and 4th. The two monsters that we know can breed are Aglaecwif (4th) and Minyak (combination of 1st/3rd/7th). So it's highly unlikely that all these "coincidences" won't end up unlocking a way fo superhumans to procreate.
There are a few inconsistencies when it comes to MC's fluids "vanishing". Some materials can "soak" them, also his blood can last long enough for Deryl to analyze while othertimes it just vanishes. I think that pregnancy will be left for the endings, unless it somehow becomes important for the plot. Aside from the fetish, if superhumans can't have kids and can't infect, then what's the endgame?
MC can change both his DNA and the target's DNA. Additionally he has the power of the 3rd and 4th. The two monsters that we know can breed are Aglaecwif (4th) and Minyak (combination of 1st/3rd/7th). So it's highly unlikely that all these "coincidences" won't end up unlocking a way fo superhumans to procreate.
Yeah, that's an accurate representation of my argument. A little fucking depressing to see my great wall of text so neatly summarized, but I think the context was necessary. Still, I am not concise.
Oh trust me, the context was necessary and laid out in a very structured manner.
On the Limit Break
One of the things I think the game does really well is creating a variety of authoritative viewpoints with their own insights, biases and blindspots. Ella and Xanthe are the best examples. However, both of them seem to agree that a Superhuman's relationship to the laws of the universe changes at Level 4. I put a quote from Ella in the spoiler below that addresses that point directly. I wrote that first, so if it doesn't seem to address this post. That's why.
Between that quote and Xanthe's comments on the Limit Break, I'm not holding out much hope that our universe's laws will govern Levels 4 & 5 let alone the Apostles, Arbiters and beyond. That said, they should still act as the framework that WeirdWorld's setting and power system rests upon. Guiding, but not binding. As long as the story is internally consistent, I'll manage. The moment stories start breaking their own rules, the world unravels for me and I lose interest.
Taking into account Ella's quote about laws becoming guidelines, I think that we have already seen these things and they aren't as "grand" as breaking the limits of the physics model.
For example:
Alexis can float on a disk she probably made herself, without any indication of thrust or exhaust. This thing is magical. To make matters worse she can summon huge amounts of Iron to stab things but there is no opposite reaction, which breaks Newton's third law.
MC at level 3 hovers, doesn't fly. And not only that but he can create and move around a huge ass scythe. The scene where he extends the scythe would create so much torque that the result would be comical. Yet it doesn't.
Ella turns into that devilgoatthing and can change her trajectory midair with a doublejump like the ones some old platformers have.
Technically if you try hard enough, you can come up with tinfoil-hat explanations that can at least explain the phenomena, like for example MC's tail being sentient can automatically increase the weight and counteract whatever torque was created by extending the scythe.
I attribute these to the idea that Order is a Power like any other, and if the superhuman is sufficiently strong they can bypass some aspects laid out by order momentarily. The universe will "allow" some oddities to happen, because the focus and most of the power is used to facilitate grander things like relativity, quantum oddities etc. Of course this idea can't be measured but I like it a bit more than just "magic".
The only comment I'll make about Supernatural Energy is that if it's both a Superhuman's power source and their lifeforce, Michael's ability to drain it from those weaker than him has the potential to be absolutely broken at its apex.
For now I think Michael has it rough. He needs to both store 2 types of energy and use his own internal power to facilitate the effect. This is very restrictive. What would happen for example if he never fought monsters. I expect these things to change at his higher evolution and become less rigid.
As long as his own power acts as a rate limiter and is independent from the absorbed energy (especially the supernatural one), then it doesn't leave much room for exploiting it. He could consume meat like Ella suggested, but that would be useful if he had to prepare before a fight.
At the moment Michael's offense works a lot like Malik and Klaus, but he trades ease of use for versatility. It makes sense that the Apostle of Energy would be all about conversion though. However I find it a bit hard to imagine what applications would that have down the line. Absorbing, converting and blasting is great but nothing special.
Edit: Thinking about it, if he somehow manages to absorb all types of energy and redirect them, that would probably make him invincible. For example absorbing the kinetic energy of a bullet will make him immune to bullets (and other projectiles). Taking that to the extreme, even if you dropped a planet on him, assuming that he has enough power, he could absorb the hit. But at least for now, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Also, replying to your points on Alice from your previous post. Mixed Ancestry is a lot more complicated.
1) Physics is a good starting point, but I think Ella gave us a fair warning.
Ella: And then beyond level 3... Well, it's there you'll reach a point where the laws of the natural universe start becoming less and less relevant, until they're more of a loose guideline than anything else. Physics, chemistry, science itself, things that you think you know... will not work the same way...
Superhuman is the name of the game. The supernatural is to be expected. Especially at the higher Levels.
2) It would make sense if Space and Time were twinned. At the same time, it would be natural for Energy and Matter to be twinned. They are not.
If mass-energy equivalence doesn't justify Twin Apostles, I'm less than convinced that Spacetime and Dark-Light are a foregone conclusion.
3) If we had to choose between Space and Time, then gravity fits space better. Do we really have to choose? If you assume the Fifth Apostle is Time, then I suppose so but I'm not assuming that. You know I think Time is the 8th Apostle.
My assumption is that The Ether is the (5th) Apostle of Gravity. This is consistent with Alice's powers. My theory is that Nico and Hex's power is a fairly authentic copy of the Sixth Apostle's trait.
I've spoken about this before, but I wasn't as clear as I could've been.
A) The Meta Reason: Ether or Aether is an obsolete theory of electromagnetism and gravity. It's also the Fifth Element of Greek Myth. It's an odd choice of name for the "Space" Apostle, but a rather clever name for the Gravity Apostle.
B) The Paranoid Reason: "Awaken, Descendant of the Sixth, Granddaughter of the Ether, Heir to Space"
I) All Grandchildren are descendants. Not all descendants are Grandchildren. There's an implication that Alice is more closely related to the Ether than she is to the Sixth.
OR
II) You can also read that line to be the Ether is grandstanding and repeating itself. "You're my descendent, my granddaughter, heir to my power." It is correct, but also clumsy and boring. Fight me.
C) The Dimension Breaker Problem: There is a fundamental difference between Alice and Nico that made the former the key to breaching Hex's dimension. Level 5 Space-bending Nico couldn't accomplish this alone. For that they needed something only Alice possesses.
I) Perhaps she inherited an aspect of the Sixth's power that Nico did not.
OR
II) Perhaps Alice's Gravity trait is the twin to Nico's trait and that is why they synergise so well.
I prefer the latter interpretation, but I think both are valid interpretations. It's a different reading of the available facts and its part of what makes the game world so compelling.
4) Obviously, Alice falls very short of a Superhuman with the combined powers of Space and Time. I don't think Alice has Time powers nor do I think she'll unlock them at a later date. Writing that theory out only strengthened my belief that the 8th is Time.
I think Alice has Gravity powers from the 5th Apostle and I think she has the same potential to unlock the 6th's trait (whatever it may be) that Jake had to unlock the 2nd's trait.
According to Aglaecwif, there was a potential inheritor to the Original Power of Order that required the complete inheritance of the 1st and 2nd traits. Jake definitely had the 1st's trait, but he never showed any sign of the 2nd's trait. That's the standard I applied to Alice.
The Ether refers to Alice is the "Heir to Space". An heir to a fortune has yet to acquire it. A prince is yet to inherit a king. I can't prove that Alice has both traits, because I don't believe she does yet and I don't know whether she will. It wasn't until Level 5 that Ella seems to have known for certain.
As far as Alice's actual power and her potential if she never unlocks the other trait. I'm far from disappointed with what she's shown and I think Gravity already has enormous potential.
The power to dictate weight, to drag meteors, order the planets, crush infinitely in a pseudo-black hole. As you said, Gravity's relationship to spacetime fits pretty neatly with my thoughts about "Space".
There is something I find curious about Alice's barrier. She seems to be shielded against lightning and plasma in a way I wouldn't necessary expect for a pure gravity barrier. It seems more like a magnetosphere.
The way she attracts and repels implies either magnetism or both gravity and anti-gravity. Either has massive implications.
I was trying hard to decrypt Alice's power. Gravity is cool, but is it "explosion" cool? Aside from collapsed stars, I don't know of any other interaction that creates explosions. This is how I think they work:
1) The fist orbs create gravitational effects. Since she is on earth and earth has air, the fists instantly suck the air and create a veil around them.
Whenever Alice punches something, the gravitational effect is momentarily halted and the air is unleashed with huge potential, turning into kinetic energy and blasting whatever is in proximity.
This explains a lot of things. The fact that gravity creates explosions for one, but also why she doesn't feel the same recoil as her targets do.
It also explains the Graviton Impact attack (which is more like.. air impact),
2) The same principle applies to her ranged attacks too. She creates an orb that is fairly unstable. The orb sucks the air creating a potential bomb, and on impact it breaks, the gravitational effect ceases and caboom.
3) Her orbs have a spin, similar to all celestial bodies. This explains why MC feels a shockwave when he touches the orbs and not a simple gravitational attraction. Perhaps if she were to use her powers in a vacuum, it would look very different.
4) In a similar vein, her "passive" barrier is her attracting the air around her and creating a veil that protects her.
I think with these assumptions we can explain the behavior of lightning and Klaus' beams but I don't remember the scenes exactly, perhaps there is something that I've missed.
This is what I get for not reading the last page ^_^. You explained it perfectly and I could just throw a like. Instead I had to spend time writing this and checking th script to not make any silly mistake.
This explains a lot of things. The fact that gravity creates explosions for one, but also why she doesn't feel the same recoil as her targets do.
It also explains the Graviton Impact attack (which is more like.. air impact),
I would just like to point it out that Alice still feels the recoil at least to some extent, there is a scene where she is training with Michael and he notices that her fighting stance is different, more stable and using punches instead of her usual pirouetting kicks, he theorizes that it was because whitout a firm grip on the ground the impact of her attacks would affect her too. Then he tricks her into using a kick and redirects it to the ground, which immediately sends her flying.
I always interpreted Alice's power as "manipulating" gravity itself, the explosions being a consequence of her "pushing" things away though it might not make sense since gravity pulls objects with mass to each other, but giving the supernatural way superhuman work didn't seem a big problem for her to use it to repel things, but i really like your compressed air theory for the graviton orbs, it IS pretty cool.
Oh trust me, the context was necessary and laid out in a very structured manner.
Taking into account Ella's quote about laws becoming guidelines, I think that we have already seen these things and they aren't as "grand" as breaking the limits of the physics model.
For example:
Alexis can float on a disk she probably made herself, without any indication of thrust or exhaust. This thing is magical. To make matters worse she can summon huge amounts of Iron to stab things but there is no opposite reaction, which breaks Newton's third law.
MC at level 3 hovers, doesn't fly. And not only that but he can create and move around a huge ass scythe. The scene where he extends the scythe would create so much torque that the result would be comical. Yet it doesn't.
Ella turns into that devilgoatthing and can change her trajectory midair with a doublejump like the ones some old platformers have.
Technically if you try hard enough, you can come up with tinfoil-hat explanations that can at least explain the phenomena, like for example MC's tail being sentient can automatically increase the weight and counteract whatever torque was created by extending the scythe.
I attribute these to the idea that Order is a Power like any other, and if the superhuman is sufficiently strong they can bypass some aspects laid out by order momentarily. The universe will "allow" some oddities to happen, because the focus and most of the power is used to facilitate grander things like relativity, quantum oddities etc. Of course this idea can't be measured but I like it a bit more than just "magic".
For now I think Michael has it rough. He needs to both store 2 types of energy and use his own internal power to facilitate the effect. This is very restrictive. What would happen for example if he never fought monsters. I expect these things to change at his higher evolution and become less rigid.
As long as his own power acts as a rate limiter and is independent from the absorbed energy (especially the supernatural one), then it doesn't leave much room for exploiting it. He could consume meat like Ella suggested, but that would be useful if he had to prepare before a fight.
At the moment Michael's offense works a lot like Malik and Klaus, but he trades ease of use for versatility. It makes sense that the Apostle of Energy would be all about conversion though. However I find it a bit hard to imagine what applications would that have down the line. Absorbing, converting and blasting is great but nothing special.
Edit: Thinking about it, if he somehow manages to absorb all types of energy and redirect them, that would probably make him invincible. For example absorbing the kinetic energy of a bullet will make him immune to bullets (and other projectiles). Taking that to the extreme, even if you dropped a planet on him, assuming that he has enough power, he could absorb the hit. But at least for now, that doesn't seem to be the case.
You make a lot of good points. I'll try to compare it to what I think are "facts" or at least plausible to see how they hold up:
I was trying hard to decrypt Alice's power. Gravity is cool, but is it "explosion" cool? Aside from collapsed stars, I don't know of any other interaction that creates explosions. This is how I think they work:
1) The fist orbs create gravitational effects. Since she is on earth and earth has air, the fists instantly suck the air and create a veil around them.
Whenever Alice punches something, the gravitational effect is momentarily halted and the air is unleashed with huge potential, turning into kinetic energy and blasting whatever is in proximity.
This explains a lot of things. The fact that gravity creates explosions for one, but also why she doesn't feel the same recoil as her targets do.
It also explains the Graviton Impact attack (which is more like.. air impact),
2) The same principle applies to her ranged attacks too. She creates an orb that is fairly unstable. The orb sucks the air creating a potential bomb, and on impact it breaks, the gravitational effect ceases and caboom.
3) Her orbs have a spin, similar to all celestial bodies. This explains why MC feels a shockwave when he touches the orbs and not a simple gravitational attraction. Perhaps if she were to use her powers in a vacuum, it would look very different.
4) In a similar vein, her "passive" barrier is her attracting the air around her and creating a veil that protects her.
I think with these assumptions we can explain the behavior of lightning and Klaus' beams but I don't remember the scenes exactly, perhaps there is something that I've missed.
My brother in Talos, Rebis is a literal alchemical construct and both Aglaecwif and Valravn speak about monster magic, not to say Aglaecwif empowers the MC using magic if you choose power or skill when interacting with her. I believe we're past the point of "is superhuman strictly sci-fi or does it have fantasy elements as well".
