VN Ren'Py Abandoned Sweet Dreamz [v1.5] [Badass Inc]

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Jhon1885

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lmao

Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I honestly don't mind.
If anybody wants to use my renders I think is fine as long as the player is happy about it, but I would get why some people or devs would be mad.
I think it depends a lot on the intention of the developer.
Once talking with a dev I was surprised that he had no problem to give me his art (it was 2d of his VN), I started a project, and the first thing I did was to clarify that the art was not mine, the second to leave a link to his patreon and not charge or pretend to accept donations, although in programming if I had enough fabric to cut, it was a sandbox (in the end I left it for personal reasons and never published it).
But I think 2 things are key:
1: ask permission to the author (I mean, you may be the author, but even so it doesn't bother you that I didn't ask you? Even if your answer was "no problem", it's like a minimum of cordiality.
2: no less important; which defines whether you play dirty or clean: make it clear that they are "borrowed assets".
For me it is not an excuse not to have a powerful pc, I use TK17 and Honey (and the 2 already puts to the limit much my pc), not by taste, but by limitations, but not for that reason I will not go to take renders of other VN.
 
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RSSINFRos

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I think it depends a lot on the intention of the developer.
Once talking with a dev I was surprised that he had no problem to give me his art (it was 2d of his VN), I started a project, and the first thing I did was to clarify that the art was not mine, the second to leave a link to his patreon and not charge or pretend to accept donations, although in programming if I had enough fabric to cut, it was a sandbox (in the end I left it for personal reasons and never published it).
But I think 2 things are key:
1: ask permission to the author (I mean, you may be the author, but even so it doesn't bother you that I didn't ask you? Even if your answer was "no problem", it's like a minimum of cordiality.
2: no less important; which defines whether you play dirty or clean: make it clear that they are "borrowed assets".
For me it is not an excuse not to have a powerful pc, I use TK17 and Honey (and the 2 already puts to the limit much my pc), not by taste, but by limitations, but not for that reason I will not go to take renders of other VN.
Yeah, asking for permission or notifying the orginal dev should be the minimum but this is f95, I'm not surprised. There is piracy all around here and if one thing is the norm so should be everything, sure I wouldn't have minded if they contacted me and asked me for the permission still I wish more people did this, I know it sounds bad but I think many people that don't know how to use daz or hs could create amazing stories and if it means using content by third party with or without permission I'd honestly accept them with arms open. About the monetization you have to remember that living is not free nor cheap, this guy maybe is trying to make something even if not with much effort to escape a boring and unsatisfing life. I'm honestly happy, even proud that someone tought renders I did were good enough to reuse.

To summarize:
Yes, please credit the author name, but don't stop from creating because you can't cover the skill of creating frames.
And monetize if you needed, this is capitalism and we all agree to it everyday


PS/Edit:
Unless there is a rule on f95 about using other's assets
 
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kartolas

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If he asked for permission from the other devs and they allowed it, I see no problem here.
 

Jhon1885

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Yeah, asking for permission or notifying the orginal dev should be the minimum but this is f95, I'm not surprised. There is piracy all around here and if one thing is the norm so should be everything, sure I wouldn't have minded if they contacted me and asked me for the permission still I wish more people did this, I know it sounds bad but I think many people that don't know how to use daz or hs could create amazing stories and if it means using content by third party with or without permission I'd honestly accept them with arms open. About the monetization you have to remember that living is not free nor cheap, this guy maybe is trying to make something even if not with much effort to escape a boring and unsatisfing life. I'm honestly happy, even proud that someone tought renders I did were good enough to reuse.

To summarize:
Yes, please credit the author name, but don't stop from creating because you can't cover the skill of creating frames.
And monetize if you needed, this is capitalism and we all agree to it everyday


PS/Edit:
Unless there is a rule on f95 about using other's assets
I "confirm" that many people don't know how to use DAZ or Honey, but some "mysteriously" are very popular (with a minimum effort at least created renders), but that's a topic for another thread (I guess).
I think it's something more "moral", I think the "limit" would be, take a character that I like from your VN and look for the Asstes, that's legal, because Daz even gives copyright, just like Honey; anyone can spend hours editing with a render of mine to get a character that he likes, up to that point is as you say, even admirable and touches your heart.
But from there to literally take out your renders, there is a step, but I reiterate, it's like you say, it's all about morals and ethics.
That is also someone very novice did it unintentionally, so it is difficult to know if it is a "avivada" (I do not know how the translator will translate this worth the redundancy! serious intention to take advantage).
 
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Candy Suxx

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Lets just put this thing to an end , if the devs from other games from whom the renders have been taken have a problem , they will call him out themselves , nobody else needs to start to crucify him. If they didn't do it that means they are cool with it .
 

Retrofire

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Mircom is a super nice guy doing this as a hobby who I could see giving permission. Inceton is a profit machine studio team, who seems highly unlikely to have said "go for it!"

But your point stands...Their battle.
 

NewTricks

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Makes me think of the Magpie, a bird purported to make its nest from stolen objects.

From Wikipedia:

In European culture the magpie is reputed to collect shiny objects such as wedding rings and other valuables, a well known example being 's opera (The Thieving Magpie). Recent research has shown little truth in the legend, and magpies, like many animals, are actually unsettled by shiny, blue, or otherwise unusual objects.

In England "a magpies nest" was a phrase used to describe something untidy and usually of little value.
 
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Havik79

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So you are at such a loss and in so much pain of your own daughter dying(?) so your response is to go out and cause pain and suffering to other fathers and their daughters.

Who said logic and common sense haven't joined truth in the media and manners right beside the dodo bird and sabertooth tigers.
 

Jack-ish

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Not gonna comment on whether it's right or wrong to use other people's work, but it seems kinda stupid. How many supporters can you get with such lazy half-assed approach? At least the devs that shamelessly milk their supporters for years are doing it with their own renders. Why not make it with real porn?
 

Jonah Arkon

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Placed on ignore from the rape tag. What are we trying to use this game for and what is it trying to teach those whom play it. That tag is something one should not dismiss by chance. It has real psychological affects. Please reconsider removing this aspect from all games. Thanks for your consideration. Best of luck in your perverse endeavors.
 

Skeltom

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I can't really debate ethics here. I personally use this site to find games to support because 99.99% of people who make games on patreon have completely forgotten what a demo is and lock every post behind a pay wall. Technically I am still pirating but I'm not trying to turn a profit anywhere... It looks like this Dev is looking for a quick buck with no work to me. They have one subscription level of 5$ a month that says something. I don't know what the case will end up being but if they drag out releases for months when they are using the work and render times of others than that is a very sleazebag thing to do, but we'll see.
 
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_Berto_

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This is a piracy forum. I'm surprised it doesn't happen as often, since most game devs use the same Daz3D Genesis/Micheal MC with the old baseball bat schlong. I've made some fun renders I've posted here and elsewhere that were used in a game as bonus cards. I didn't get any credit or was asked. I'm ok with it but some others might not be. Making a whole game though, the least one could do is give credit to the original artist. Monetizing on it is a bit sketchy, but I'll leave that to the original artists to fight that battle. To me, it would be difficult to support this dev due to the lack of creativity in creating the art. Unless the writing and plot line is exceptional and not the typical incest trope, this is a hard pass.
 
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