VN Ren'Py Abandoned Sweet Dreamz [v1.5] [Badass Inc]

[rick911]

If you download an asset and dont pay for it, it's piracy. If you if you download an asset, don't pay for it, pretend it's your work and sell it, that's a little different in my book.

Right. Piracy does not equal plagiarism.


Also: historically pirates were pretty big sticklers for the rules. Just... Their own rules, not society's. Pirates also tended to settle things democratically, with each member of the crew getting an equal voice.

So saying "trolololo we're pirates we have no rulezzz" is wrong. You're not a hypocrite for being cool with piracy while criticizing this game's plagiarism. It's a false equivalency.

This game doesn't sound even worth pirating though, so...

 

[Yonamous]

If you have issues with that, then you also need to have issues with piracy (stealing) as well imho. If someof the crators of the original renders take offense from this, they could land him in hot water with Patreon though (possible).

Only if those pirates are trying to profit off the stolen property. Places like F95zone may ask for donations to keep the place going, but it would be a whole lot different if they were charging for every download.

I just find it wrong that this dev is making a game from the renders of other games, and I highly doubt they are paying (Patreon) for those games too, which would be even worse.

I'm also surprised that all the comments here haven't been pruned because very few of these five pages of comments are talking about the actual game.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Right. Piracy does not equal plagiarism.


Also: historically pirates were pretty big sticklers for the rules. Just... Their own rules, not society's. Pirates also tended to settle things democratically, with each member of the crew getting an equal voice.

So saying "trolololo we're pirates we have no rulezzz" is wrong. You're not a hypocrite for being cool with piracy while criticizing this game's plagiarism. It's a false equivalency.

This game doesn't sound even worth pirating though, so...

In todays world, pirated goods also includes things suck as knock off rolex watches, fake chinese adidas, books, music, software, games, whatever.

The issue isn't as much as plagiarism, as in possible breach of copyright, but that is for the original creators to pursue.

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This is more a case of transformative work. Take things and turn it into something else, but without asking the original creators for consent to use their work. Not quite the same, but if you look at youtube, you have a lot of these so called commentary channels. Many of them keep get struck by copyright claims, but they get debunked because the source material been used within the "transformative" work boundaries, wich in a lot of cases land under the fair use term.

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A lot of fan arts, fan fiction etc land under transformative use and parody. Still there is cases where copyright holders of the original source materials come after people and throw legal issues at them.

In the end this case is just bad taste, and of course people frown uppon it, but creators of these kinda games, steal assets all the time to use in their games. Either the source material, or just assets from each other. This case take it one step further though, but it's not something unique. Just look at games such as "Big Brother".

 

[Ursus4321]

What a discovery. If we rule out that the scenes are taken from another game, a story with Ann from TAC being a partner of the mc and not being a total whore seems amazing to me. I'm sorry, I'm not a follower of ntr, sharing or that kind of thing and that this beauty has another story in which she doesn't act like a nymphomaniac would allow me to enjoy it. Thanks

 

[zubitex]

We are here on a pirates website. Nobody care about what is allowed and what not.

What? Really?? Are you telling me that i'm lurking for more than 4 years on a pirate site?

I tought i was on a German football club fan association site...

You know what they do to pirates if they caught one?

I'm scared...

 

[Joshua Tree]

What a discovery. If we rule out that the scenes are taken from another game, a story with Ann from TAC being a partner of the mc and not being a total whore seems amazing to me. I'm sorry, I'm not a follower of ntr, sharing or that kind of thing and that this beauty has another story in which she doesn't act like a nymphomaniac would allow me to enjoy it. Thanks

When you build a story around gfx assets taken from other games, you will end up limited to what you can and can not do in the end though. Unless you keep expand to grab more gfx assets from more and more games. Then you end up much like all these games with rl adult/porn that is a miss mash of random downloads from internet.

 

[rabultfe]

that just looks like stealing with extra steps
that's not just characters from other games they just copied and pasted whole scenes and called it a day the patron milking is going to be strong with this one

 

[Jhon1885]

Ok, I understand (in part) that F95 doesn't delete this game, but why delete negative reviews?

 

[peterppp]

Ok, I understand (in part) that F95 doesn't delete this game, but why delete negative reviews?

Because people aren't reviewing the game, they are writing stuff about the dev and that he's taking pics from other games. And that's against the rules for reviews.

 

[Jhon1885]

Because people aren't reviewing the game, they are writing stuff about the dev and that he's taking pics from other games. And that's against the rules for reviews.

But, it's from the game, I mean, people are complaining about an artistic aspect of the game, the renders belong to another game.
It's a valid criticism, they're not saying "it's bad because it has NTR" or "it's bad because they're all blondes" "I give it one star because I don't like foot fetishes".

 

[rabultfe]

Because people aren't reviewing the game, they are writing stuff about the dev and that he's taking pics from other games. And that's against the rules for reviews.

maybe they should IGN review this game "it makes you feel like x from game y"
or Marvel propaganda "the game is the most ambitious crossover event in history"

 

[AshramAscendant]

I find this game thread fascinating. Couldn't care less about the game itself but seeing this many different game developers all commenting on a single subpar bit of schlock is pretty amazing.

 

[2524.]

"real porn" games reuse other people's artwork but no one is shaming them for it.

What's the big deal on a piracy website?

 

[polkatulk1999]

shameless lmfao

 

[yihman1]

"real porn" games reuse other people's artwork but no one is shaming them for it.

What's the big deal on a piracy website?

Because it sets a dangerous precedence. 95+% of Game developers do not fall into the "Real Porn" category. It's not the "Norm" in adult gaming. Far from it in fact.

A lot of people may say it's a double standard to allow real porn games without permission of porn stars, but disallow games such is this one using renders created by various developers without permission.

Some folks may get the pitchforks out now and want to go after game developers who use real porn stars.

Other folks may get the pitch forks out and say "If it can be done with real porn why not fake porn?" defending such a game.

Real Porn Games = Guilty

Games like this = Guilty

 

[yihman1]

This guy should be banned from the platform, for stealing renders from other games, and asking money for that? Gotta be a stu pid kid for sure!

What if his Ban Appeal is:

"Well, what about the many games with real porn? All of those are using 3rd party stolen art. How come they can do it and I can't?"

 

[evilkitty97]

This is obviously just a troll sham.
Clue is in the name "Dream'z'".

Or maybe experimental.
Either way, this is certainly not serious, nor real.

A ruse or a trial.

 

[NewTricks]

I'm all for piracy. Hence why I upload my own VN here for free a week after anyone who financially supports the project has gotten it. Fuck Adobe and their subscription services. Same goes for anything of that sort. But I do have a problem with people who consciously steal shit, make a profit from something they didn't make, and then advertise it as their own intellectual property. Hiding and/or putting attribution to the original games in small print just as grimy. He could've just as easily put it in the overview/summary.

I'm not taking any ground, just calling it what it is. Once again - Piracy and theft/plagiarism are two different things, and legally, are treated as such. The reality is that an overwhelming majority of developers willingly upload their VN/game/projects here as the sheer size of F95's userbase allows them to get a ton of eyes on them. In that sense, F95 has become and is basically a more of a free, non-F2P, dev-friendly (in most cases, at least) Nutaku. Reddit is dead, Twitter is slow-growing, DeviantArt stopped being relevant years ago. Whereas F95 has 10,000+ users online at any given time. It's quid pro quo; make a good game/VN and the financial support will come more often than not. Most likely from this forum.

Plagiarism - using someone else's ideas or words without crediting the source and pretending they're your own. No, crediting the developer's renders isn't proper attribution. Especially when you're (attempting) to make a profit like said dev. Is he using other dev's renders without permission? Yes. Is he incorrectly attributing the games and their devs/authors? Yes. Hell, he probably UnRen'd someone's VN and copy-pasted his code.

Piracy - the unauthorized use, reproduction, or sharing of copyrighted or patented material – typically music, movies, TV shows, and software. Are we pirating his music/movies? No. Are we pirating his renders/animations/etc? No. Are we pirating his software? No. Are we sharing his copyrighted material? No.

I'm with you. As a dev you spend hours posing, composing, constructing, and rendering quality images for a game like "We Were Just Kids" and somebody else can do what this guy did and make what is in principle a Renpy slideshow with a few back clicks of the mouse. And then get money for it on Patreon? Not today, Satan! It can charitably be called plagiarism but it is undeniable theft of someone else's labor.

 

[Yonamous]

Because people aren't reviewing the game, they are writing stuff about the dev and that he's taking pics from other games. And that's against the rules for reviews.

Horseshit. Reviewing the image aspect of a VISUAL NOVEL, should definitely be allowed.

 

[Yonamous]

What if his Ban Appeal is:

"Well, what about the many games with real porn? All of those are using 3rd party stolen art. How come they can do it and I can't?"

This game should stay, as should all real porn games. The links to their patreons, subscribestar, etc. should be removed.