RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.551] [Fujino]

[4-kun]

We should stop trying to define NTR at this point because everyone has a different take on it. At this point, we should admit that this is a corruption game with splash of NTR here n there, which may or may not increase. Either way, I don't find much to say till we are atleast halfway through the game. You're all just jumping on the gun on too quickly. Meanwhile, there's dev like stopper who has just tease us about NTR for years and still claim it to be NTR game and provide update once a year. Atleast, fujino is giving updates. Whether people like it or not is a different thing.

Well, here the problem lies not in the definition of NTR, but rather that people have clear expectations after Part 1. However, Part 2 being so much different just destroys the overall flow and doesn't resonate with these expectations. I mean, by now, it's obvious that something is going in the wrong direction, as with every new update, more and more people complain.

But to be fair, nobody knows if it's the majority complaining, as I guess most players don't share their thoughts.^^

 

[4-kun]

do people think remake game is easy fujino not need to remake thing just focus on inoda and asuna me not sure why fujino make the poll people will vote for kirito and asuna to troll

Out of curiosity, what was the poll about?

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Out of curiosity, what was the poll about?

I think he may be talking about a previous one? I went to check in both Ci-En and Patreon and he doesn't seem to have made any new poll (Unless it was in the thread for the update's release, which only those supporting him can access).

 

[Rtistik]

People in this thread seem to have a lot of diverse opinions so I thought that I should share my opinion too.

Let Him Cook.

 

[Rtistik]

People in this thread seem to have a lot of diverse opinions so I thought that I should share my opinion too.

Let Him Cook.

I mean, Fujino already said that he fucked up in places and that he will try to fix it. And, if everything does go to shit, then atleast maybe this game will become a textbook romance game. Who knows ? Let's see.

 

[TommyTommy]

It’s strange to expect an acceptable result from a developer who has so far released only a few unfinished ones, boring and primitive, if not stupid. Their specialty is anime characters, well, this can be done by an average level modder with any game. Well, he started making this game. There was a chat with photos in the first part. A great tool for atmosphere. Now he's gone. Smartphone. Yes, people make games based on its capabilities. But here it either works or doesn’t work. Where have you seen schoolchildren who don’t spend hours on their smartphone? Yes, Kirito and the others should constantly call each other, send photos, etc., an excellent tool for presenting events. But not in this game. Mechanics change as you go. Looking at this, you understand that if the developer does not have complete game mechanics, then there is no script.
Fujino is in a difficult situation: there is simply no time to think about it. I guessed right, I guessed wrong, I liked it, I didn’t like it. So our chances of getting what we want are about 1/3. 1 - he will do well. 1 - he will do something bad. 1 - he will do what has happened a million times: Asuna will become a whore like no other in life (together with her mother), Kirito... and no one will be interested in Kirito (like similar supporting characters in NTR games), definitely An African-American exchange student with a dick even bigger than Inoda's is supposed to come to school. You may ask, what does he have to do with it? I don't know where they come from in these games, they are always there. Perhaps the developers have anal weakness and they like it. What other templates are there in NTR? That's where they all will be. I just feel sorry for Suguha. That's why it's Hibishima (or whatever his name is) in the game. He's completely redundant. It feels like the developer simply had ready-made videos and used them in Suguha's thread. It would be nice if it was one of Kirito’s surviving enemies and would simply take revenge and play dirty tricks. But he's just a moral monster and a blackmailer. And Suguha is with him because the author wanted it that way. But he doesn’t want logic. There is no main character in the game. Everyone feels this subconsciously and it infuriates them. I said before that something is wrong with this game. But the only answer was that all games are like that, everything is fine. As you can see, it’s not all, and it’s not normal.

 

[Rtistik]

It’s strange to expect an acceptable result from a developer who has so far released only a few unfinished ones, boring and primitive, if not stupid. Their specialty is anime characters, well, this can be done by an average level modder with any game. Well, he started making this game. There was a chat with photos in the first part. A great tool for atmosphere. Now he's gone. Smartphone. Yes, people make games based on its capabilities. But here it either works or doesn’t work. Where have you seen schoolchildren who don’t spend hours on their smartphone? Yes, Kirito and the others should constantly call each other, send photos, etc., an excellent tool for presenting events. But not in this game. Mechanics change as you go. Looking at this, you understand that if the developer does not have complete game mechanics, then there is no script.
Fujino is in a difficult situation: there is simply no time to think about it. I guessed right, I guessed wrong, I liked it, I didn’t like it. So our chances of getting what we want are about 1/3. 1 - he will do well. 1 - he will do something bad. 1 - he will do what has happened a million times: Asuna will become a whore like no other in life (together with her mother), Kirito... and no one will be interested in Kirito (like similar supporting characters in NTR games), definitely An African-American exchange student with a dick even bigger than Inoda's is supposed to come to school. You may ask, what does he have to do with it? I don't know where they come from in these games, they are always there. Perhaps the developers have anal weakness and they like it. What other templates are there in NTR? That's where they all will be. I just feel sorry for Suguha. That's why it's Hibishima (or whatever his name is) in the game. He's completely redundant. It feels like the developer simply had ready-made videos and used them in Suguha's thread. It would be nice if it was one of Kirito’s surviving enemies and would simply take revenge and play dirty tricks. But he's just a moral monster and a blackmailer. And Suguha is with him because the author wanted it that way. But he doesn’t want logic. There is no main character in the game. Everyone feels this subconsciously and it infuriates them. I said before that something is wrong with this game. But the only answer was that all games are like that, everything is fine. As you can see, it’s not all, and it’s not normal.

Bro got one bad update and decided that humanity has failed. If the next update is not peak then bro might just commit war crimes.

 

[4-kun]

I think he may be talking about a previous one? I went to check in both Ci-En and Patreon and he doesn't seem to have made any new poll (Unless it was in the thread for the update's release, which only those supporting him can access).

That's actually what I'm asking. I wasn't active at that time, so I don't know what the poll was about. I only understand from comments that Asuna x Kirito won. What else was on that poll?"

 

[kinglionheart]

That's actually what I'm asking. I wasn't active at that time, so I don't know what the poll was about. I only understand from comments that Asuna x Kirito won. What else was on that poll?"

Besides if Kirito should have sex with other woman, which girl should have more sex scenes, and if Kirito should work a part-time job to advance time.

 

[4-kun]

Besides if Kirito should have sex with other woman, which girl should have more sex scenes, and if Kirito should work a part-time job to advance time.

So, Kirito should have sex with others, won? unexpected.

 

[Meepopx]

Did the dev really took the vanilla couple vote seriously for a game about ntr?

 

[4-kun]

Did the dev really took the vanilla couple vote seriously for a game about ntr?

seem so...

That's confusing. It seems that Fujino wanted to develop Kirito's story in a somewhat positive direction, for the moment at least? But considering how the story evolved until now, quite the opposite happened. Cuckito was literally stomped from all sides. Well, technically he had sexual contact with other women; his body had to be 'precised'^^

 

[13Gatsu777]

-The only thing i would like to see would be a stats sheet for the other girls too like Fujino did on the Nero remake, no need for animated stuff just some stats or the girls current mindset like in Part1.

-Don't try to look too much into the unused stuff though the more expectation you build up the more frustrated you will get when thing go off your mark.
And they may not be used at all.

-But isn't Liz the biggest reason Inoda & Asuna don't/can't do much stuff at the start if Liz purpose is to use Inoda to break Kirito & Asuna apart?

-Does Suguha going for her brother a new tool to tear Kirito & Asuna apart? A drugged Kirito assaulting his sister and Asuna happen to pass by and so on

-Kirito being able to go for an "other girl" maybe a tool to have Asuna feel less guilty and so on
You know the: "Oh his really close to this girl does that mean this/that" or Since you cheat on me too i don't have to feel that bad about it and go beast mode squeezing dry Inoda XD and so on

So much to speculate but only time will tell

 

[Knight6797]

It’s strange to expect an acceptable result from a developer who has so far released only a few unfinished ones, boring and primitive, if not stupid. Their specialty is anime characters, well, this can be done by an average level modder with any game. Well, he started making this game. There was a chat with photos in the first part. A great tool for atmosphere. Now he's gone. Smartphone. Yes, people make games based on its capabilities. But here it either works or doesn’t work. Where have you seen schoolchildren who don’t spend hours on their smartphone? Yes, Kirito and the others should constantly call each other, send photos, etc., an excellent tool for presenting events. But not in this game. Mechanics change as you go. Looking at this, you understand that if the developer does not have complete game mechanics, then there is no script.
Fujino is in a difficult situation: there is simply no time to think about it. I guessed right, I guessed wrong, I liked it, I didn’t like it. So our chances of getting what we want are about 1/3. 1 - he will do well. 1 - he will do something bad. 1 - he will do what has happened a million times: Asuna will become a whore like no other in life (together with her mother), Kirito... and no one will be interested in Kirito (like similar supporting characters in NTR games), definitely An African-American exchange student with a dick even bigger than Inoda's is supposed to come to school. You may ask, what does he have to do with it? I don't know where they come from in these games, they are always there. Perhaps the developers have anal weakness and they like it. What other templates are there in NTR? That's where they all will be. I just feel sorry for Suguha. That's why it's Hibishima (or whatever his name is) in the game. He's completely redundant. It feels like the developer simply had ready-made videos and used them in Suguha's thread. It would be nice if it was one of Kirito’s surviving enemies and would simply take revenge and play dirty tricks. But he's just a moral monster and a blackmailer. And Suguha is with him because the author wanted it that way. But he doesn’t want logic. There is no main character in the game. Everyone feels this subconsciously and it infuriates them. I said before that something is wrong with this game. But the only answer was that all games are like that, everything is fine. As you can see, it’s not all, and it’s not normal.

bro I'm not gonna lie I ain't readin all that tldr?

 

[4-kun]

-The only thing i would like to see would be a stats sheet for the other girls too like Fujino did on the Nero remake, no need for animated stuff just some stats or the girls current mindset like in Part1.

-Don't try to look too much into the unused stuff though the more expectation you build up the more frustrated you will get when thing go off your mark.
And they may not be used at all.

-But isn't Liz the biggest reason Inoda & Asuna don't/can't do much stuff at the start if Liz purpose is to use Inoda to break Kirito & Asuna apart?

-Does Suguha going for her brother a new tool to tear Kirito & Asuna apart? A drugged Kirito assaulting his sister and Asuna happen to pass by and so on

-Kirito being able to go for an "other girl" maybe a tool to have Asuna feel less guilty and so on
You know the: "Oh his really close to this girl does that mean this/that" or Since you cheat on me too i don't have to feel that bad about it and go beast mode squeezing dry Inoda XD and so on

So much to speculate but only time will tell

To keep it short, Liz is helping Inoda get close to Asuna.

As for Suguha, yeah, it could be, or it's just a side story for Sugu x Kirito. It's too early to be certain. There is much potential to play around Sugu and still contribute to the main plot. For example, if Sugu would get an ability to transform in FOG, then have sex with Kirito, who thinks it's Asuna, that would build up his confidence that everything is allright, while in reality Asuna is falling down like a rock

As for Kirito hitting on other girls, without spoiling and again referring to the perk list, that's very unlikely. It would also destroy the NTR narrative. If both are cheating, then it's just a couple that broke apart.

 

[kinglionheart]

As for Kirito hitting on other girls, without spoiling and again referring to the perk list, that's very unlikely. It would also destroy the NTR narrative. If both are cheating, then it's just a couple that broke apart.

Just be to clear, the Kirito sex with other woman poll had several choices including Kirito having sex with other woman but still loves Asuna. I am hoping that one won so he can have pity sex with Administrator later. But if that choice won he can still have sex and be loyal to Asuna like when Sugu gave him a HJ and maybe more during his fever.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

To keep it short, Liz is helping Inoda get close to Asuna.

As for Suguha, yeah, it could be, or it's just a side story for Sugu x Kirito. It's too early to be certain. There is much potential to play around Sugu and still contribute to the main plot. For example, if Sugu would get an ability to transform in FOG, then have sex with Kirito, who thinks it's Asuna, that would build up his confidence that everything is allright, while in reality Asuna is falling down like a rock

As for Kirito hitting on other girls, without spoiling and again referring to the perk list, that's very unlikely. It would also destroy the NTR narrative. If both are cheating, then it's just a couple that broke apart.

Just be to clear, the Kirito sex with other woman poll had several choices including Kirito having sex with other woman but still loves Asuna. I am hoping that one won so he can have pity sex with Administrator later. But if that choice won he can still have sex and be loyal to Asuna like when Sugu gave him a HJ and maybe more during his fever.

Like King said, I think the Suguha scenes in this update are very likely a result of the "Kirito doing it with other girls" choice winning, which is technically a workaround for Fujino because while most took it that way the poll never specified if Kirito had to be WILLING, or even conscious, for that particular choice, hell, we know he still firmly loves Asuna after all, so even if Suguha rode him till exhaustion while he was out of it and later again when he was at FOG then it technically fulfills what that poll seemingly wanted, if it was indeed the option who won XD

As for Administrator, yeah, is almost sure that Fujino will give her at least ONE H-scene, there is no way he bothered full-on making her a whole model otherwise, what is completely unclear at this point is how. Kirito getting to get fucked by the Goddess would technically count as a win for him normally, which would be weird for a NTR game, but not outside the realm of possibility after this last update with Suguha, as it made me remember one thing: Nothing that happens in the rec. room carries on to the real world, so it technically would just count as Admin/Quinella getting pleasure for him without him ever remembering while he's still getting NTRed IRL XP

 

[4-kun]

Just be to clear, the Kirito sex with other woman poll had several choices including Kirito having sex with other woman but still loves Asuna. I am hoping that one won so he can have pity sex with Administrator later. But if that choice won he can still have sex and be loyal to Asuna like when Sugu gave him a HJ and maybe more during his fever.

So we don't really know which choice won. Well, as Fujino gave that choice, means he had that idea and wanted to do it anyway, but maybe wasn't sure how the audience would react to that becaus some people emplified that the poll forced him to change the story, but it seems to me, that it was his idea in the first place.

Man, after all that fuss, I guess the next update will have a turning point in the main story

 

[LordFrz]

SAO is usually in a much weirder spot in that regard because is one of the few series where despite the 'Harem' labels the MC is genuinely and firmly in a relationship with the girl of his choice and the other girls despite what they may feel or not accept it and even support them, some slips aside, so whenever any of the non-Asuna girls is used for a 'NTR' doujin is technically not really such but is labeled as it anyway XP



Is that from Patreon? If so, yikes, I honestly can't believe some people feel so entitled as to demand Fujino to REMAKE THE ENTIRE PART just because they don't like the developments At least his answer is just simply that he will consider speeding up some plots, but I can't imagine he won't be affected by all this shit if previous decisions based on people's complaints are anything to go by, which honestly sucks as one of the few people that really liked this latest update.



Preach it dude.

Yea most "harem" shows arent actual harems. It just has bunch of girls in it and a few of the girl have a crush on the MC. BUt the MC always ends up with 1 girl, which makes it not a harem.

 

[LordFrz]

Out of curiosity, what was the poll about?

Just a few directions he could go, and what kind of scenes people wanted. One option was to have more KiritoxAsuna sex scenes, which I suspect won after that last update. Full poll is posted in this thread somewhere, a lot of us posted our answers too.