Ren'Py The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[jaw1986baby]

Carta already said about the original poster's tone, and yes as he said it could have been put in much better words.

For instance, if it was me I would have phrased it as "Does the MC still act like a wimp/coward when he is in dangerous situation?"
Much better than continuously saying "shit" again, and again.

Also, how is MC currently being a wimp/coward (or in original poster's words "shit" lol) actually a bad thing (about the game)?

There's this thing called character development, you know lol.
The dev (HopesGaming) said before that the MC is supposed to be a coward now, but will go through transformation (both emotionally and physically) with certain events in the future where he will be capable and even dangerous (to his enemies).

From the original posters' comments, it seems like he's basically expecting a Gary Stu character in the MC, and that's not what this game is supposed to be.
So as Carta said, he's basically just projecting what he wants the MC to be currently (which he is not), but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

My mom used to make the Best Gary Stew, God rest her soul....


EDIT
Yeah I was trying to be smartass funny but then it is a tad depressing isn't it? Sorry

She(my mom) is gone but it isn't recent so I have released my sadness and only remember happy thoughts

 

[JJJ84]

My mom use to make the Best Gary Stew, God rest her soul....


EDIT
Yeah I was trying to be smartass funny but then it is a tad depressing isn't it? Sorry

No need to apologize man. Initially gave you a laugh emoji (Gary Stew), but felt it was inappropriate given your mom is no longer with you (unless you were kidding about that, I don't think you are, but I can't really tell from my end).

With time, our loved ones may no longer be around us, but they'll always live on in our memories.
Okay, I'll stop now, or I'll be in tears.

 

[JJJ84]

Siobhan situation in her own family, then her reaction when learning why the DeLuca are here. She wasn't just surprised, it looked more like a "how the fuck is this even possible ?" reaction.

You know, the update has been out since like April, so you don't really need to hide lines and lines of text under spoilers tag (I usually just use spoilers tag like for one week or so when the update releases. And if people get spoiled afterwards, it's not really my fault, since update has been out for considerable time by then).

I thought Siobhan had more of the WTF reaction as to MC's question "Why are you sad?"

She is literally dumbfounded (probably thinking "WTF is this guy talking about? ), and Caterina & Amata also both dumbfounded, bursts into laughter (while Siobhan's face becomes red with annoyance/anger).
Man, I wish we could have seen renders of that scene play out (instead of just Siobhan standing in room pic, and her closeup pic).

It would have been great.

 

[anne O'nymous]

You know, the update has been out since like April, so you don't really need to hide lines and lines of text under spoilers tag

I know. But I also know that there's players who prefer to be left with their own thoughts. Not in a stuck up way, just that they prefer to be surprised, even if it mean they were wrong, over being right because of what someone else said.
That's why I spoilered my thoughts, while everything that was directly coming from the game wasn't.

I thought Siobhan had more of the WTF reaction as to MC's question "Why are you sad?"

This one was to be expected.

I don't remember precisely the lines, but all three expected to find nothing more than some scraps behind this unguarded door that was only standing out because it was recently painted ; or just from another color, not sure right now. Therefore, when you found the second daughter of the Don living in this room, you know she don't have the habit that someone care about her. Perhaps is it her desire to live here and to not be guarded, but even in this case I don't see someone from the family coming regularly to get some news.
And then come a soldato from another family, escorted by two capos ; what is already something unusual. And not only he cared about her, but he did it in the middle of a raid against her family ; "hey, I know I'm in the middle of beating your guys, and that some can come at anytime to try to beat me up, but can we take the time to talk about how you feel ?"
Who wouldn't have a WTF reaction face to this ?

She is literally dumbfounded (probably thinking "WTF is this guy talking about? ),

I don't think it was her thoughts.

Firstly, it's not the habit for a soldato to talk to someone this high ranked. Secondly, if he do it, it's not with such freedom, and certainly not to talk about personal subjects. Thirdly, all this never ever happen when the soldato is from another family, even less under such circumstances.
What puzzled her is that, probably in this order:

1. Someone care about her ;
2. This someone is a simple soldato ;
3. This soldato is from another family ;
4. Her, who's part of the intel for her family (believed to be the head of the service) didn't knew that such person exist.

Side note: This give more weight to her "don't blindly believe the intel you have".
That Eiza's sister was here without her knowing it is one thing ; it's not necessary to tell her how the family will make her comply. But that she don't know that there's someone this atypical in the DeLuca family mean that she wasn't in charge of the intel behind his assassination attempt. And this is something totally different.
Even if she isn't (anymore?) the head of the intel, she's still the second daughter of the family, and still good at what she do. Yet she wasn't involved on the investigation regarding the assassination of someone living in the main house of one of the five families ? Only the persons really important live there. Even if it's just a soldato, it's a hit directly on the hearth of the family. And it's not a small family, it's one of the most important and powerful family. You need to plan this really well, because if you fail and your plausible denial don't works, it's the end of your family ; especially in this case, since the DeLuca wouldn't hesitate a single second to take revenge for that the Ombra did to the Carnefice.
When you plan this, you need someone who's good with intel and also fully understand what it mean and imply ; someone like Siobhan.

and Caterina & Amata also both dumbfounded, bursts into laughter (while Siobhan's face becomes red with annoyance/anger).

Here again I really doubt it's what happened. If she was annoyed or angered, she wouldn't have reacted like she did.
Do you really believe that the second daughter of the Ombra family would hesitate a single second to hit a soldato, even if he's from the DeLuca family, if she felt offended ? When Luna shots two guys (from the Fazio ?), they where the ones who apologized, and the family made amends for their behavior.
Of course, there were two Capos escorting him, but at most they would have made her stop before she kill him. Siobhan is a too high target, untouchable without direct orders ; especially during a shadow raid like this one. She know that, the two Capos know that.
Therefore, if it was annoyance or anger, she would have just injured MC, period ; "learn some respect kid ! And you, take it out of my view if you want to get him back in one piece."

No, what Siobhan reaction was is also what made Caterina and Amata laugh: The impassive Scorpion Princess was blushing like a teenager.

 

[whichone]

I think Hopes is going to be facing a lot of questions, on his next visit!
JJJ84 has his share, but I feel anne may be adding some more to the list...

Man, I wish we could have seen renders of that scene play out (instead of just Siobhan standing in room pic, and her closeup pic).

It would have been great.

This. Just, this.

 

[JJJ84]

I don't think it was her thoughts.

Firstly, it's not the habit for a soldato to talk to someone this high ranked. Secondly, if he do it, it's not with such freedom, and certainly not to talk about personal subjects. Thirdly, all this never ever happen when the soldato is from another family, even less under such circumstances.
What puzzled her is that, probably in this order:

1. Someone care about her ;
2. This someone is a simple soldato ;
3. This soldato is from another family ;
4. Her, who's part of the intel for her family (believed to be the head of the service) didn't knew that such person exist.

Um, when I said "WTF is this guy talking about?" I meant that half as a joke (perhaps the laugh emoji itself wasn't enough).

Here again I really doubt it's what happened. If she was annoyed or angered, she wouldn't have reacted like she did.
Do you really believe that the second daughter of the Ombra family would hesitate a single second to hit a soldato, even if he's from the DeLuca family, if she felt offended ? When Luna shots two guys (from the Fazio ?), they where the ones who apologized, and the family made amends for their behavior.
Of course, there were two Capos escorting him, but at most they would have made her stop before she kill him. Siobhan is a too high target, untouchable without direct orders ; especially during a shadow raid like this one. She know that, the two Capos know that.
Therefore, if it was annoyance or anger, she would have just injured MC, period ; "learn some respect kid ! And you, take it out of my view if you want to get him back in one piece."

No, what Siobhan reaction was is also what made Caterina and Amata laugh: The impassive Scorpion Princess was blushing like a teenager.

lol By annoyance/anger, I didn't mean it as Siobhan hating on the MC for asking that question (yeah I admit, I probably should have phrased it better).
Like you said, from my memory of the text described in that Ombra mission, she felt embaressed, blushing, and the MC's question just completely caught her off-guard, so in half inquisitive, half annoyance, she demands or asks (can't remember which way it was since it's been a while since I played that specific bit) with the "Why would you ask that question?"

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] she demands or asks (can't remember which way it was since it's been a while since I played that specific bit) with the "Why would you ask that question?"

I think she was more voicing her surprise than effectively asking.

There were absolutely nothing right in all this situation. A soldato, escorted by two Capos, to free a girl he don't seem to know, and who's from a family he's probably too young to have known (all this approved by the Ice Queen), that don't fear the Scorpion Princess, nor care to talk to her with more respect than he would while talking to a friend, and who decide to ask two questions when offered to ask one, the extra question being totally personal ; cherry on the cake it don't seem to be something new for the two Capos who didn't tried to stop him being this bold.

So many questions have probably crossed Siobhan's mind ; "who are you ?", "what are you ?", "why are you so important ?", "why do you care about this girl ?", "why have you lied about your fight ?", "tell me kid, when was the last time your mental health have been checked ?"
Then this last move from the MC finished her. A new question popped in Siobhan's head, and like there were no room for more of them, this one had its own life, and was heard by everyone.

This is one interpretation, yours. Other people have different interpretations.

Reason why all the paragraphs starts by "I doubt that [...]" ; or here by "I think that [...]".
Therefore, any "no [...]" or "yes [...]", as well as any affirmative formulation, in those paragraphs are implicit shortcuts.

I could write each times, "no, from my point of view it's probably more something like [...]", but I'm talkative enough without this. Plus it's easier, to read, but also to reflect on the opened possibilities, when it's worded directly ; you more easily react, in whatever way, to an affirmation, than to a speculation.

 

[mightybored]

I think you are projecting too much of your own personality on the MC. As the game clearly shows he is intelligent and has some skills. He's just not drumming his chest all of the time - because he doesn't need to.

More importantly, he doesn't want to; he would rather be unnoticed and/or be seen as "lucky to win" than anything else. Kind of like an anti-Joey.

 

[Antonie van Leeuwenhoek]

That escalated quickly. Though on a lighter note i wanns see the soldato/capo training to be this inclusive.
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[whichone]

N7 Quick one mate, the "Compendium" link from the OP goes to the wrong post.
It should link to JJJ84's post.
Instead it links to Cartageno's reply.

That escalated quickly. Though on a lighter note i wanns see the soldato/capo training to be this inclusive.

lol That's gonna be boot camp for The Frenetico!

 

[anne O'nymous]

That doesn't necessitate him being important, it could just make him a buffoon, like Joey.

You mean the guy who achieved to infiltrate a whole fortified place, disarm all traps, while covering Gracie, all this without being noticed a single second ? I wouldn't call him a Buffoon, even jokingly.
He's a comic factor, there's no doubt about this, but Cordia was probably half serious when she wondered if he is an unknown child of Wilfred. He's the least best of the Elite, average in everything, yet he still achieved to reach the Elite, and he's so forgettable that his stealth mastering past totally unnoticed ; and would still be if Gracie wasn't with him.

For all she knows, he could be the same rank as them.

I doubt.
Even forgetting the dress code, it's not like there's a new Capo every week.
It need years for someone to reach this rank, and you're noticed by the other families way before it happen. This apply even more if you achieve to reach this rank faster than anyone normally do. Therefore, when you're part of the intel for a family of assassins, and the second daughter of the family, you know this kind of things ; at least for the five families. Perhaps that she don't know if MC is a soldato or an Elite, but she know for sure that he is ranked below Caterina and Amata.
If you want, look again at the fight inside the building. The Capos were able to tell that it's Amata and not Amita. Do you think they are smarter and more informed that Siobhan ?

But I don't remember Siobhan knowing that he lied about his fight? Ono saw it. Did Siobhan?

She don't need to have seen it, as well as Caterina and Amata don't need to hear Ono describe what she saw.
The fight happened inside a building, and was against a Capo who was protecting a facility from his family ; in top of that it's a family of assassins. You need a really big amount of luck to just ran away from him, and even more for him to then totally lost your track. Siobhan should have a really lack of faith in the Capos of her family, while Caterina and Amata should be really naive, to believe that it's possible. What effectively happened is unknown of Siobhan, and would have been unknown of Caterina and Amata if Ono haven't said it, but it's clearly not by running away that MC survived this fight.
Plus, neither Caterina, Amata, nor MC would have been so at ease if they knew that he was still there, searching for MC ; Someone trained to gather information, like Siobhan is, couldn't miss this detail.

Unless you wore the soldato outfit, which obviously no-one wore 'cos lower stats, how would she possibly know the rank of the unknown person in front of her?

As Hopes said a long time ago, it's not just for a question of renders that MC don't wear the selected clothes when officially on mission.
Even if you're just a soldato, you're proud of your family, and you wear its colors on mission. It's only when you reach a rank where everyone know who you are, and therefore what is your family, that you can dress like you want.

 

[JJJ84]

N7 Quick one mate, the "Compendium" link from the OP goes to the wrong post.
It should link to JJJ84's post.
Instead it links to Cartageno's reply.

lol That's gonna be boot camp for The Frenetico!

Huh, I checked the link about 4~5 days ago, and back then the link was going to the correct post, and now as you said it isn't.
Don't know what happened during that time, but thanks for pointing that out!

 

[JJJ84]

lol That's gonna be boot camp for The Frenetico!

Well, we haven't seen Dominico since that opening, so I do look forward to be able to whoop his ass in the training/boot camp!

Though I'm not sure whether that will be for Frenetico boot camp, or separate training (which Hopes said) that the 4 Serpents take MC and Dominico to the mountains to train.

Somehow, I get the feeling it'll go like this for our poor MC and Dominico:

 

[anne O'nymous]

Joey's a fucking retard.
[...]

You have no idea how quickly Capo's get killed and replaced.
[...]

[...]
She does not know that he lied.

No-one is wearing shitty Soldato uniform with its crap stats.
[...]

This is one interpretation, yours. Other people have different interpretations.
You can't say "No, it's not that, it's this", unless "this" is written into the story, as a fact.
At the moment, it's just speculation and personal interpretation.
Either of you could be correct.

Full hypocritical, but I should have seen it coming.

 

[JJJ84]

Yeah, was just having a nose through the compendium for ranks & saw it went to Carta's.
Uhhhmmmm...
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Ha ha ha, yeah, I'm keen to see him get developed.
Makes you wonder how it will turn out.
Will he be an anti-hero who comes good, him & MC forge a bit of a bond, through blood?
Or does he lose and become resentful, maybe even going so far as betraying the Family to the Mysterious 6??

If what we've seen in the opening scene with Dominico is any indication, I'd say that in the beginning he'd try to gain one up on our MC, trying to look more impressive, and our MC, isn't too impressed and fierce rivalry is there, back and forth, back and forth.

This is just my personal theory, but if these two are put through the wringer by The 4 Serpents (since Hopes has confirmed MC's training under Serpents with his rival), in the beginning the Serpents will have MC & Dominico compete each other, through training which is literally Hell.
Then perhaps they would be given a training where unless they work together and save each other from trouble they both fail.
Both grumble and are really unhappy with the whole circumstance, but are put in several situations where they must work together, and they do, earning each other's respect, and perhaps even bond as a friend (I mean, since MC doesn't really have a similar age male friend in the Family [since Jalen is a Kaskar], I wouldn't mind this, as long as Dominico doesn't try to poach one of my girls ).

If Dominico goes the evil route, hmmm.......then I guess the question would be that who might fill in the position of next generation of Serpents. With Dominico's introduction, and assuming he stays good with DeLucas, my lineup of 4 Serpents Next Gen was the following:

- MC
- Luna
- Gracie
- Dominico

But if Dominico turns evil, then:

- MC
- Luna
- Gracie
- Jalen

Though for the above lineup to happen, couple of things I'd imagine do need to happen in Jalen's Kaskar arc, such as perhaps Jalen's uncle betrays and kills Pops (as Jalen suspects), & rest of main Kaskar Family (Jalen, Charvi, Aunt Layla) are forced to seek asylum (? not sure if this is the correct term to use for it, but only one I could think of lol) with the DeLuca's after Jalen's uncles' coup within the Kaskars.

A lot of maybes, and possibilities yes, but if it played out like that certainly wouldn't mind Jalen as 4th Serpent (since despite his back and forth banter with MC, we all know he can be trusted).

 

[JJJ84]

Or, the MC being a nice guy, like he is, might not want to fuck his friend up so pull his punches a little.
Which Dominico could probably spot & pull him up on it.
I wonder if Eiza will be entering?

Perhaps MC lets Dominico win (due to our MC still in that "let other people underestimate him" stage) and like you said Dominico, after the tournament talks with MC in private and says "Why did you let me win?"

MC's reply: "It's just gonna bring me unwanted attention if I win, so you can have it."

Probably when he hears it, Dominico's mind would be 'This is one weird dude' (especially Dominico sort of likes to show off, like he tried to do in front of Wilfred against other soldatos in the opening).

You know, since Eiza mentioned that she previously competed against Luna before, I'd like to see their rematch "Luna vs Eiza 2"

Actually, scratch that, I need MC vs Luna in a Frenetico match somewhere down the line.
I need Luna to give me that First Prize (in her words "something much, much better") she said existed in that date, damn it!!

 

[JJJ84]

Yeah, I like that idea!
I reckon, when Dominico hears it, he'll think "He could've beaten me, but he didn't. He gave me the glory, because he didn't want it putting him in the spotlight... Smart cookie."

Ha ha yeah, they've got more than one score (MC's attention) to settle!

Yeah, it's all good, we can have both.
Eiza v Luna rematch can be the QF, or the Semi.
MC v Dominico in the other, but then MC has to beat him.
Aah, but then he has to win the tournament.
Damn. There goes the Dominico arc idea! Still, outdone by Luna, it's no shame.

You know, it'd make me laugh so hard, if somehow Luna and Dominico are put in a hand to hand combat (striking) match in the single elimination tournament, and the following happens:


Dominico: Lady Luna, just so you know, I won't go easy on you. Here I come!

Luna: (ignoring Dominico) Where is Hope? And why is this idiot babbling in front of me instead of fighting?

Luna takes a glimpse at the elimination table on the wall.
Her and Dominico are the one half of the quarter finals in Bracket A, and Hope and Eiza are in the other half of quarter finals in Bracket B.

Luna: (thinking) 'Ah, so I need to beat this guy in front of me, and Hope needs to beat Eiza in order to face each other.

Dominico: (swoops in to strike)

Luna: Hmph.



Luna: (dusting her hands) Hope, you better get here (smiling).



It's gonna put a major dent in his pride, but if the story is going Dominico is evil route, then I can accept this with Dominico getting humiliated by Luna with a one-hit ko, heh.

 

[RuiMist]

What do you have to put to raise the Offensive Power? I tried pc.offensive=5, pc.offense=5, pc.offensivepower=5 but none of those worked. I was able to raise the rest

 

[mordred93]

What do you have to put to raise the Offensive Power? I tried pc.offensive=5, pc.offense=5, pc.offensivepower=5 but none of those worked. I was able to raise the rest

pc.bodyodor=50 .... pc.inventory.rightguard=0 .... that will help you be more offensive. Oh wait - wrong kind of offensive.

 

[Cartageno]

Joey's a fucking retard.

I read him completely differently. Apart from being a bit of comic relief, I see him mirroring some of MC's attributes, being underestimated but actually quite competent.

What do you have to put to raise the Offensive Power? I tried pc.offensive=5, pc.offense=5, pc.offensivepower=5 but none of those worked. I was able to raise the rest

I advise against using console cheats in this game. While it worked for some, others saw their game bug out. Since it isn't difficult to get the required stats during gameplay I'd say it isn't worth the risk - also you will miss out on some lewds which only happen if you fail checks in this game at the appropriate time.

In any case, keep a save from before you changed stats so you have a fall back option.