Ren'Py The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Thrill'n Flares]

What's up fellow Delucas!

Finally done with my patreon subscription. So had to come here for updates for this game. I've read this thread and I see lots of drama. Lots of people saying that complainers do not pay but enjoy it free here, I beg to differ. Many of them I reckon had decided to cancel that shit because of the crappy update times.

In my opinion, Hopes should've freezed all payments after the 6 months mark (time I left) without any updates rather than coming up with excuses and delays. From a patreon's POV, feels like paying for something that doesn't deliver

Other than that, still a good game. Will reconsider subscribing again if the following updates are consistent.

You do realize patrons do not pay for the updates? They give money for the right to extra stuff or just giving money. That is how it works. The only way you are paying for the updates is when the owner of the account makes it his or her job. Til then people are giving him money to motivate him in his bobby. So don't act like it is his job cause its not his job. Your point is only valid if he made it his job. So yeah learn what type of patreon account it is before you make such a point. Its a common mistake. Also your statement: " Lots of people saying that complainers do not pay but enjoy it free here, I beg to differ. Many of them I reckon had decided to cancel that shit because of the crappy update times." The ladder part is assumption that many of them are former patrons with no proof that they were. Even if they were they do not give money now. Also even if there are some that are former patrons that does not excuse the others from complaining when they get the game for free. For that matter back to my original point. Patrons do not pay for updates unless its only given through patreon. Which it isn't. So yeah even if they were patrons they still complain about a free game. Though we all agree patrons have a right to complain. One of the way to complain the best is stop GIVING him money. He is not the employee of the patrons until he makes it his job.

 

[HopesGaming]

The Badman (but also others who share the same view)
I understand the time for updates, especially the last couple of ones, can be really frustrating. That's why I am always understanding when there is talk about it.
But there are some things that I dislike with the way some things have been addressed.
Delays, pushing away responsibility, losing motivation, etc?
Objection! Hearsay!
None of those are the truth.

I've always made it clear that this is a hobby and until I jump at this full time (which is actually very soon!) time can vary alot. This is also on the front page of the Patreon and why the game is free. Tho, that doesn't change the disappointment when it does take a really long time, but it is what it is and the most important fact is that I've tried to make that clear as many times as I can. That is also why it isn't really a delay, as there isn't a set date of release.

Paying for a coder/proofreader? Would cost me around 80% or more of the patreon income. And that is for the lowest paid ones. It is simply not realistic at this moment. Tho, in the future, when I go full on this and, hopefully, it gains more patrons and steam sales and what not, I will of course think about what can be done in that department.

But that doesn't mean there is no investment going on right now. At the moment, I pay for freelancers. Music, custom and the more common royalty free ones (royalty free is not actually free, but not bad price wise, custom is expensive tho), paid for custom coding, art, hardware and so on.

Also, even though the proofreader, translators, coder, and so on are volunteers - it does not mean they're automatically bad or worse. Really talented people and really fast working.

Anyway, do discuss the game and even the update time (which sucks, I know) but all I ask is that you guys don't add false statements into the mix.

My motivation for the game is as it was in the beginning!
Peace

 

[Mortarion]

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[Tokenugget]

Wtf is this game That younger Luna imprisonment scene.... My heart breaks.

Oh Geez, didn't know the drama with consumers and the game devs. Here i was crying over the story of past Luna, but I haven't completed the game yet, so i can't complain. It was intense and amazing...

Yet I see we haven't seen an update since April 23, 2021. That's a year ago? I suppose we have to wait for the patreon model to change? Can't argue with free recursing money No incentive to release updates when you get cash regardless

 

[HornyyPussy]

Yet I see we haven't seen an update since April 23, 2021. That's a year ago? I suppose we have to wait for the patreon model to change? Can't argue with free recursing money No incentive to release updates when you get cash regardless

Oh for fucks sake.......

 

[Tokenugget]

Oh for fucks sake.......

I'm an outsider here that said i love the game so... not sure why that reaction. But to my point, you think the patreon model supports healthy game development?? Hah. I pay 10$ month to multiple devs. That's 120$ a year. Kind of expensive considering i can buy a Triple A game for a one time 60$. And they spend millions of dollars with 100's of people on the payroll.

 

[HornyyPussy]

I'm an outsider here that said i love the game so... not sure why that reaction. But to my point, you think the patreon model supports healthy game development?? Hah. I pay 10$ month to multiple devs. That's 120$ a year. Kind of expensive considering i can buy a Triple A game for a one time 60$. And they spend millions of dollars with 100's of people on the payroll.

That reaction because the whole "milking dev" complaint has been done ad nauseum.

And you seem to have the wrong idea of what Patreon is, you're not buying anything from anyone, you are only supporting artists do their thing, no one is owed anything in return.

Many Dev's do this on their spare time, having no understanding that real life can get in the way sometimes simply boggles the mind.

 

[kabir_07]

Wtf is this game That younger Luna imprisonment scene.... My heart breaks.

The DEV has created a Brilliant Story line,..........It will be interesting to see what future holds for our MC.

 

[D9074]

Oh Geez, didn't know the drama with consumers and the game devs. Here i was crying over the story of past Luna, but I haven't completed the game yet, so i can't complain. It was intense and amazing...

Yet I see we haven't seen an update since April 23, 2021. That's a year ago? I suppose we have to wait for the patreon model to change? Can't argue with free recursing money No incentive to release updates when you get cash regardless

its almost like you cant read posts that are a few above your own before writing.... are you good?

 

[Thrill'n Flares]

Totally agree with 1 of your points above. It is a public game (eventually) hence patrons are just early birds who gets the game earlier. I'm cool with that.

But as per you guys are saying as well, patreon is a place to support/invest in a developer's work. Well, in that case shouldn't "supporting/investing" in someone's work at least increases their motivation/work flow? As far as I can see, it has declined over the years rather than improve. I still support a lot of other developer's that consistently improve their work. I mean come one, you cant deny that its been more than a year now and the update is the same size as the rest, isn't disappointing for a patreon.

He just keeps pushing the responsibility away to others. Eg. his coder now that is "taking his time". Understandably the coder is doing for free. But Hopes should've used the patreon's "investments" to invest in his game by hiring a paid coder or proofreader rather than asking for free favors. How is he going to improve his game if he keeps doing things the same way? Expecting free work. Taking people's support and not re-investing it in his work. That is just disappointing.

You make it sound like making the game is a job. Its not it is a hobby he is trying to make his job. He has an actual job. Until he finishes the game and publishes it on steam there is probably not enough money to make it his job let alone pay coder proof reader ect. You have to be realistic hear. He also got covid so it got him out of wack for a bit. When your routine is effected everything in you life is effected. so probably took a bit to get his routine in order and head in order to get back to the game development. Also "keeps pushing the responsibility away to others?" That has only been for the last month or two. He took responsibility and said the game is taking too long it it was his fault. Don't shit out nonesense and learn to get your facts straight not shit your britches with nonsense.

 

[Thrill'n Flares]

Oh Geez, didn't know the drama with consumers and the game devs. Here i was crying over the story of past Luna, but I haven't completed the game yet, so i can't complain. It was intense and amazing...

Yet I see we haven't seen an update since April 23, 2021. That's a year ago? I suppose we have to wait for the patreon model to change? Can't argue with free recursing money No incentive to release updates when you get cash regardless

Here goes another person with an assumption. Not knowing how game development works and assuming things always go smoothly. There games that take way longer to get development their previous titles(I am talking about games being developed for console and pc not porn games). While in development the development team can change, engine change and story change. That's just being a game developer as a job. Final fantasy 15 (orignally versus 13) and Kingdom Hearts 3 can be examples. Let alone someone doing it as a hobby. Being make assumptions that it is taking so long cause of lack of motivation. He is writing the story and making the renders for the game. Stories and renders do not come that easily. They take time. With it being his hobby and not his job it makes sense their can be a long time in waiting for updates. Patreon model is not the problem. Its that people act like their money should influence the speed of the updates coming out. That is only the case if the dev is not motivated. We have no proof he is not motivated cause we do not know how much time he has put into it. People assume way to much with their guesses without realizing they missing things that can tell us why its taking so long. His life is his own so we do not know what he does not tell us. People complain as if they know he could do more as if they know how art comes about. They do not. Its annoying to see people complain when they do not realize their complaints comes from a lack of knowledge and entitlement.

 

[chicho1958]

You make it sound like making the game is a job. Its not it is a hobby he is trying to make his job. He has an actual job. Until he finishes the game and publishes it on steam there is probably not enough money to make it his job let alone pay coder proof reader ect. You have to be realistic hear. He also got covid so it got him out of wack for a bit. When your routine is effected everything in you life is effected. so probably took a bit to get his routine in order and head in order to get back to the game development. Also "keeps pushing the responsibility away to others?" That has only been for the last month or two. He took responsibility and said the game is taking too long it it was his fault. Don't shit out nonesense and learn to get your facts straight not shit your britches with nonsense.

Forgot he doing it for free and still people complain.

 

[JJJ84]

Don't shit out nonesense and learn to get your facts straight not shit your britches with nonsense.

Whoa dude, relax.

Hopes already clearly addressed the The Badman's complaints in a concise, calm manner. So there's really no need for you to get into him like that (I mean I disagree with his opinion regarding responsibility and such, but the way you're reacting to him makes it seem like you're taking it a bit too personally).

Just a little bit of friendly advice; this thread (like many others on this site) is no stranger to dissent & disagreements.
Some may be trolls who may just be here to rile up the thread, while others may be just having a very different opinion with no malicious intentions.

While I don't mind seeing trolls being called out, in The Badman's case, I feel it's just a case of having a different opinion.
if you let such disagreements get to you like that (even if they are not trolls), you're gonna be constantly fighting people on this thread more than you need to.

 

[Tokenugget]

The DEV has created a Brilliant Story line,..........It will be interesting to see what future holds for our MC.

Yep, that was nuts... I can't think of another game or movie that pulled off such a sorrowful moment. And when the little girl died i was

 

[S1lyaaan]

Damn, 1 year without an update now. Still waiting tho because I came for the fap but stayed for the story. I will comeback next month for the monthly check-up

 

[c3p0]

Damn, 1 year without an update now.

No shit, sherlock.

 

[kabir_07]

Yep, that was nuts... I can't think of another game or movie that pulled off such a sorrowful moment. And when the little girl died i was

I think, There will be many backstory, which the MC is going to learn about the people around him.........
Some are DARK Some are Happy........

 

[Thrill'n Flares]

Whoa dude, relax.

Hopes already clearly addressed the The Badman's complaints in a concise, calm manner. So there's really no need for you to get into him like that (I mean I disagree with his opinion regarding responsibility and such, but the way you're reacting to him makes it seem like you're taking it a bit too personally).

Just a little bit of friendly advice; this thread (like many others on this site) is no stranger to dissent & disagreements.
Some may be trolls who may just be here to rile up the thread, while others may be just having a very different opinion with no malicious intentions.

While I don't mind seeing trolls being called out, in The Badman's case, I feel it's just a case of having a different opinion.
if you let such disagreements get to you like that (even if they are not trolls), you're gonna be constantly fighting people on this thread more than you need to.

I didn't mean how it sounded. Seeing it outside my head it sounds like i was angry. I was actually laughing while typing. Besides saying someone is "shitting their britches with nonesense" sounds funny. So i mean it as joke not as an angry rebuke. I was just saying he should learn how things work instead of giving his two cents that only causes problems insteads of help things. Also when i typed it i did not see other people's responses to it. Which includes hope's.

 

[Thrill'n Flares]

LOL! I was merely giving out my opinion in a calm way. I don't think I was trolling. It was my first post on f95. Hahaha. I said I would even reconsider re-subscribing. After seeing how Thrill'n Flares constantly bombards people on this thread. It seems to me that he just has some sort of personal attachment to the game as you mentioned. Or maybe he is just sucking Hopes dick. Thrill'n Flares you have issues dude, the way I see it, you have more personal attachments and issues to this game than the trolls here. At least the trolls were having fun. Haha. The guy literally replies to every negative comment here with essays when the trolls don't even pay much notice to him. Lol.

Every negative comment? I must have dreamt glossing over some them. Also you act as if my points are not valid. Also what i typed i know most, if any, just gloss over what i typed when its long. Its proven when people miss what i typed and do not realize my points never get proven wrong. Its funny how you talk shit instead talking about the points i made. Shows how mature you are. Also if i do not have fun when i type then how can put something like, "shitting your britches which nonsense" and it not be there as a joke. Whatever have nice day without getting my points. I only get on this site once a day out of boredom.

 

[Xiba21]

This is my perfect save file. v0.07.2

ok thats cool and all but where the fuck is the save file in the game so we can use your save file