Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[-L-L-MJ-]

Yeah in those discussions I mostly made the same point, and to me the after reading and remembering that Wilfred does comment on everything else you buy it became a given that he knows, and if he knows Cordia probably knows, so even if one of the other wants to stir shit they would intervene, but I was meaning more on the Mc being "Okay, I trust you guys enough now to come clean about this", and being a shown of thrust for both parts, the family in accepting him in a higher position, and him accepting that they are not his enemies. Maybe this would be saved for a future Ranking though.

About Wilfred removing the bugs himself, I don't think that is how he works, is more likely that he would leave them for the Mc to do something about it, and then wait and see if the Mc can get out of whatever mess we put him through, and if not, then intervene with Cordia.

I could definitely see MC coming clean towards Cordia about the bug in her office. After a talk like the late night scene following to her saying something along the lines of she knew but MC telling her makes her........ happy

Well... Wilfred sharing that information with Cordia is not something I'm sure about. He seems to have his own agenda and yes
the flashback scene just shows how loyal he is to the ladies/family. I do think however that he will always do and act on what he thinks is best for them even if it's not something they would want.

What I meant to express was Wilfred's elusiveness in being there for MC. It's like he wants us to know what is going on around the house, how the relationships between the family members are and somehow use MC to "fix" or make amends for the wrongs he perceives around him? If that makes sense. Anyway I meant that having Wilfred protect you from any possible fallout by removing them himself ( when and if needs be ) would in my mind work cause you share a common goal. And it wouldn't serve Wilfred plans/goals if there were to be a big fallout over them.

I don't know about that. Luna was only forgiving to MC because she didn't see him plant the bug (all she thought he was doing was just snooping around, which in her mind wasn't too big of an offense). She probably wouldn't have been as understanding/forgiving if she was realizing he was planting bugs in her room.

I still think if MC gets caught (regarding the bugs, though whether bugs actually have impact on story or not is yet to be determined), he'll get some sort of punishment (or he would have to do something for the girls to make up for his actions as an alternative).
Sure, he can try to guilt-trip them saying he was targetted 3 times, but it doesn't change the fact he was spying on them.

It may have been reasonable in MC's POV to install the bugs, but it's also reasonable from the girls' POV to be furious/disappointed with him, as well as feeling he should be punished in some way for his actions.

Luna said it best when she caught MC with the following line:

"Still, you're sniffing around in my room, without my knowledge. That makes a a bit......mad. Can you blame me for that?"

He's got manipulation skills, yes, but previous times in situations where's he's caught being in the wrong, he's been lucky enough in which his offense wasn't that great (Cordia's office, looking for his contract), or his heart was in the right place (getting stuck in the cold storage room with Isabel & Gracie - here he's able to talk himself out of it by saying he "had the best of intentions for you girls").
Just can't see him talk himself out of this one where he is in the right.

Besides, perhaps this is just me, but if he gets in trouble and every time, the girls either forgive him or he can talk himself out of any consequences, I would just find the storytelling lacking in tension (and it wouldn't really make sense as well, considering the girls got punished with "beach prison" event with the whole exploding pink paint bomb in their bathroom, which is basically child's play compared to MC planting bugs in their rooms).

But even with punishments, I'm kinda getting the feeling it will be light (and not serious punishment), especially if it's audio recorder MC used (for cameras, probably something a bit worse). Probably like MC gets grounded for couple of days or something.

No Luna didn't see him plant the bug, but I fail to understand your reasoning in that being worse than a complete stranger being in her room when she explicitly told him not to go in there in the "tour" of the house? As invasion of privacy goes I would argue they are the same at that point in time but she was very reasonable and understanding to where MC was coming from after being poisoned.

With that I mean that there are a lot of "softening" circumstances for the MC with his motivations to plant those bugs.
I do agree with you that IF the bugs are to be found, there definitely should be consequences like I said I just can't imagine them
to be that big of a deal. So I agree with you on everything else and it will be fun to see what will actually happen when the time comes.

By the way,
I made a dumb dumb..... It's actually 4 assassination attempts I forgot the one in story 3 The punishment
( How come none of you DeLuca's pointed that out? )

All that aside though, MC does sometimes feel playfully naive and despite getting in certain situations more lucky to get out of it than anything else. I honestly can't wait to see more of this MC ;

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[TundraLupus]

This has been my assumption since the beginning:

Wilfred and Cordia straight up know about the bugs. Luna, Isabel, Gracie and Antonio don't.

I don't think at all either Wilfred or Cordia will help MC get out of the problem if they are found. It is his responsibility and if anything they will take advantage of the situation to teach MC a lesson. Not in the bad sense of teaching a lesson, but in the sense of letting him grow up more in what it means to be part of a mafia family: you know, unconditional trust to the members of the family, the family first policy and absolute respect to the members that are above you in the power structure or something like that.

Neither I think it will be a big deal. Obviously, the girl will feel betrayed or something, but it will not be something huge.

Yeah, I meant kind of the same, maybe didn't frame in the right manner, on another note, for me the "absolute respect to the members that are above you in the power" is an absolute no, fuck that, you get my respect after you earn it, Antonio, for example, hasn't yet.

 

[Ayhsel]

Yeah, I meant kind of the same, maybe didn't frame in the right manner, on another note, for me the "absolute respect to the members that are above you in the power" is an absolute no, fuck that, you get my respect after you earn it, Antonio, for example, hasn't yet.

Hey I agree with you. But I always got the feeling that in mafia the power structure is huge. Remember when the son of the other family came and spoke bad to Cordia? It ended up with him being dead.

I am not saying I am supporting it neither that it holds the Deluca, just putting some ideas of my understanding of relationships in a mafia family. The important point I was making is that if anything, it will be used to further let MC grow in this kind of life.

 

[TundraLupus]

Hey I agree with you. But I always got the feeling that in mafia the power structure is huge. Remember when the son of the other family came and spoke bad to Cordia? It ended up with him being dead.

I am not saying I am supporting it neither that it holds the Deluca, just putting some ideas of my understanding of relationships in a mafia family.

If they demand that, and i have the option, my Mc will say "No, fuck you, you will have to kill me before i accept some stupid shit like that"

 

[Ayhsel]

I never meant submission but respect. Let me erase that part as it seems to mean something I don't.

 

[-L-L-MJ-]

Hey I agree with you. But I always got the feeling that in mafia the power structure is huge. Remember when the son of the other family came and spoke bad to Cordia? It ended up with him being dead.

I am not saying I am supporting it neither that it holds the Deluca, just putting some ideas of my understanding of relationships in a mafia family. The important point I was making is that if anything, it will be used to further let MC grow in this kind of life.

I think you need to make a distinction between respect and common decency, courtesy to someone in power.
Besides Straffan got shot for that in the arm I think? He ended up dead because he thought he could scheme his way into a more powerful position.

 

[TundraLupus]

I never meant submission but respect. Let me erase that part as it seems to mean something I don't.

Oh, I meant respect as well, respecting someone for the sake of it is stupid, respect also implies that you consider that person's words to be something to heed, as I said Antonio hasn't earned it, I will interrupt, and even go head to head with him if I think he is wrong, but respect in a Mafia setting normally means you shut up and do what you are told

 

[Ayhsel]

Oh, I meant respect as well, respecting someone for the sake of it is stupid, respect also implies that you consider that person's words to be something to heed, as I said Antonio hasn't earned it, I will interrupt, and even go head to head with him if I think he is wrong, but respect in a Mafia setting normally means you shut up and do what you are told

I meant it more in the way -L-L-MJ- explain it. Like I don't think you have to agree to what Antonio says, but they will expect you to at least listen to him when he speaks.

Again, I am not saying I am supporting it nor I don't agree with you on what is a more normal relationship. What I mean is about what is my understanding of what is expected in a Mafia setting. I am almost surely that if Antonio is speaking and MC shuts him up, it will not look natural or good to the other members. That is not to say MC cannot speak up and explain why he disagrees with Antonio. Am I being clear?

 

[TundraLupus]

I meant it more in the way -L-L-MJ- explain it. Like I don't think you have to agree to what Antonio says, but they will expect you to at least listen to him when he speaks.

Again, I am not saying I am supporting it nor I don't agree with you on what is a more normal relationship. What I mean is about what is my understanding of what is expected in a Mafia setting. I am almost surely that if Antonio is speaking and MC shuts him up, it will not look natural or good to the other members. That is not to say MC cannot speak up and explain why he disagrees with Antonio. Am I being clear?

I got it, I was just saying what my character if given the option would do. Pilling on that tough, fuck courtesy to someone on a position of power, almost went political after that statement, so I'll stop here.

 

[-L-L-MJ-]

fuck courtesy to someone on a position of power, almost went political after that statement, so I'll stop here.

I probably could have expressed that better as well. I meant some sort of etiquette ( the customary code of polite behaviour in society or among members of a particular profession or group. )

Meaning you wouldn't yell or curse towards Cordia being Straffan he paid the price by getting shot in his arm.

While I would call that behavior disrespectful, I wouldn't call acting in a polite manner towards someone as having respect for them? Which is weird.... And probably a completely different discussion on itself.. Which probably goes into fearing possible consequences ( leading by fear and have that as some form of respect ) Vs looking up to someone and their mannerisms characteristics where one could earn respect by their actions.

And doesn't the game include this as well by asking about respect, honor and integrity and the meaning of those words for you and isn't that tied in with the dispassion system? Hopes was talking about here At least that would be my guess..
( In story 5 the Proud fazio )

Was interesting to say the least.. Also that reminds me if we get to meet MC's mother soon....

 

[TundraLupus]

I probably could have expressed that better as well. I meant some sort of etiquette ( the customary code of polite behaviour in society or among members of a particular profession or group. )

Meaning you wouldn't yell or curse towards Cordia being Straffan he paid the price by getting shot in his arm.

While I would call that behavior disrespectful, I wouldn't call acting in a polite manner towards someone as having respect for them? Which is weird.... And probably a completely different discussion on itself.. Which probably goes into fearing possible consequences ( leading by fear and have that as some form of respect ) Vs looking up to someone and their mannerisms characteristics where one could earn respect by their actions.

And doesn't the game include this as well by asking about respect, honor and integrity and the meaning of those words for you and isn't that tied in with the dispassion system? Hopes was talking about here At least that would be my guess..
( In story 5 the Proud fazio )

Was interesting to say the least.. Also that reminds me if we get to meet MC's mother soon....

Ok, etiquette I can, and will abide by, nothing is lost in being polite, I don't remember if it is this game, but won't we need to start over because of gameplay changes? if not I might anyway because my way of thinking has changed since my last save, about the mom, yeah I wonder too, probably just after the Mc notices she was training him from the begging though.

 

[Ayhsel]

Ok, etiquette I can, and will abide by, nothing is lost in being polite, I don't remember if it is this game, but won't we need to start over because of gameplay changes? if not I might anyway because my way of thinking has changed since my last save, about the mom, yeah I wonder too, probably just after the Mc notices she was training him from the begging though.

In the most likely scenario according to Hopes, yes we will, as he is implementing some big codes changes. Some about the missions part, some visual things.

 

[TundraLupus]

In the most likely scenario according to Hopes, yes we will, as he is implementing some big codes changes. Some about the missions part, some visual things.

Then I'll just wait., thanks

 

[SuperLYC]

BTW, next release is 0.7.0? So this game only has 13 releases since July2018? Every release must has a good amount of contents but lt takes more than 2 months' waiting for a new release, right? (Right, patience)

Is that true? Sorry for this unrelated topic but I am kind of addicted after first time playing. Anyone at least can tell how long it takes for a new release

 

[Ayhsel]

Is that true? Sorry for this unrelated topic but I am kind of addicted after first time playing. Anyone at least can tell how long it takes for a new release

Mmm I might be mistaken but I think part 4 was release last year around May, part 5 around october/november, part 6 in march and part 6.5 in june. There is no logical reason why the past should be a good predictor of the future, but hope that helps.

 

[JJJ84]

No Luna didn't see him plant the bug, but I fail to understand your reasoning in that being worse than a complete stranger being in her room when she explicitly told him not to go in there in the "tour" of the house? As invasion of privacy goes I would argue they are the same at that point in time but she was very reasonable and understanding to where MC was coming from after being poisoned.

With that I mean that there are a lot of "softening" circumstances for the MC with his motivations to plant those bugs.
I do agree with you that IF the bugs are to be found, there definitely should be consequences like I said I just can't imagine them
to be that big of a deal. So I agree with you on everything else and it will be fun to see what will actually happen when the time comes.

By the way,
I made a dumb dumb..... It's actually 4 assassination attempts I forgot the one in story 3 The punishment
( How come none of you DeLuca's pointed that out? )

All that aside though, MC does sometimes feel playfully naive and despite getting in certain situations more lucky to get out of it than anything else. I honestly can't wait to see more of this MC ;

I see it (if Luna found MC planting bugs in her room) as worse, especially with the cameras, with the MC being able to be in "peeping Tom" mode with that lol.
Not sure what you mean by they are the same in terms of invasion of privacy, but let me use an example to explain how I see the situation.

The DeLuca Family is a school. In that school we have the principal (Cordia), the vice principal (Wilfred), and of course, the students (MC, Luna,Gracie, Isabel). For the example's sake, let's say one of the girls stole something really important to MC (instead of assassination in the game).
Now, to find the culprit, MC plants camera bugs all around the school, including the girls locker/changing room (all the girls rooms in game). Unfortunately, the bugs get found out with footage of the girls changing on them.

MC can try to make excuses all he wants here (and try to talk his way out of it), but would it change the fact that he went peeping Tom, spying on them? No. While the girls of the school may even be friends with MC, I just find it hard to believe they would be like "Okay, you saw us naked, but we forgive you." All of these girls have strong personalities, and I can see them demanding to the principal that MC should be punished in some way.

And regarding the principal & vice principal, while they may feel sympathy for MC (for having his important item stolen), the most logical action they would do is either expel the MC or in the very least suspension for couple of days. I just don't see them acting like "Okay, just don't do it again."

Now, I'm not saying if he gets found out with the bugs in the game, it should be a severe punishment (something like expulsion would basically be game over lol), especially with how vital he is to the Family, and his relationship with the girls.
But something like suspension (like he gets grounded for couple of days in game) I can definitely see as something plausible. As for the girls, I'd even imagine they might feel hurt or be angry with him for a little while (and perhaps he needs to do something to make it up to them).

But as I said before, perhaps his bugs will never get found out at all. Everything that's been talked about the bugs (by everyone, including me) is basically conjecture, so who knows what will happen.

Don't think I was keeping actual count of how many assassination attempts there actually were lol. Only in the recent days, I began using gallery feature to rewatch some events. Gotta say, I'm finding it pretty handy.

 

[tok2ross]

Excellent game. Very good story. Need more on the Mysterious Six.

 

[mikel8519]

Really nice story, great characters, great dialogues - especially jokes/flirts - graphics and animation are ok - kissing and teasing are looks nice, for now its the only XXX-thing in the game. Gameplay is boring, main character is almost retarded - any skills/attributes(stealth, strength, threat, "offensive/defensive" power) are completely useless during story part, he's childish like sb who's grow up in luxury, not young guy with difficult past. His humour is great though.

If you're looking for good sex scenes then go somewhere else there is almost none here - for now - but if youre looking for interesting story characters and some lewd LOL actions - very soft though - then this is great

 

[HopesGaming]

Really nice story, great characters, great dialogues - especially jokes/flirts - graphics and animation are ok - kissing and teasing are looks nice, for now its the only XXX-thing in the game. Gameplay is boring, main character is almost retarded - any skills/attributes(stealth, strength, threat, "offensive/defensive" power) are completely useless during story part, he's childish like sb who's grow up in luxury, not young guy with difficult past. His humour is great though.

If you're looking for good sex scenes then go somewhere else there is almost none here - for now - but if youre looking for interesting story characters and some lewd LOL actions - very soft though - then this is great

To defend the poor MC -

He is a coward when it is about life and death situations. (Especially if it involves guns)
But he is not afraid of fights.
Example. During the park scene where he met the two bonans (Luna with the Ice cream and gun scene), he was not afraid even as he was alone against two and one of em had a bat.
He can hold his ground in normal fights.
But no matter how traumatic his past may have been - we can't have him fight heroically and fearlessly against people that wish to kill him. You don't go from being the average joe with normal school duties to a gun-blazing confident hero.
Everything at its time.

About the boring gameplay - agree. Changing next version.
The correlaction between the story and his stats will also make a bit more sense by then.

 

[SuperLYC]

Yeee

To defend the poor MC -

He is a coward when it is about life and death situations. (Especially if it involves guns)
But he is not afraid of fights.
Example. During the park scene where he met the two bonans (Luna with the Ice cream and gun scene), he was not afraid even as he was alone against two and one of em had a bat.
He can hold his ground in normal fights.
But no matter how traumatic his past may have been - we can't have him fight heroically and fearlessly against people that wish to kill him. You don't go from being the average joe with normal school duties to a gun-blazing confident hero.
Everything at its time.

About the boring gameplay - agree. Changing next version.
The correlaction between the story and his stats will also make a bit more sense by then.

Yeeeeeeeah! Can't wait to play next version. I am new to the game but I notice that the story is focusing more on deluca family members and less on MC himself recently. All of them surely have a lot of surprising stories to tell(both future and past), but I I'm still interested in Mc's mysteries(like why he can live with family, what exactly his contract requires him to do, who is his father what happened to his mother, why ombra family wants to assassinate him , what quality makes him a serpent material…etc)
Anyway , l love this game very much , thank you for presenting us such an amazing masterpiece and I will subscribe as soon as earn enough money