Ren'Py The Headmaster [v0.15.3.1 Public] [Altos and Herdone]

[yuserneim]

Ok, ok, ok, ok, ok
It's just a game I know, you know, we all know. But when you sit back and think about it, the three pillars of the Headmaster's Theory make sense.
When your a child corporal punishment instill fear that if you do bad it'll happen again. But as time goes by and you get older that fear loses it's power over you and so simple spanking doesn't work anymore. Because like the MC says you forget.
Adding the three Pillars of Pain, Shame (I really looked hard for a word starting with P but no luck), and Pleasure to a punishment really does make it stick. It's like ruminations they never go away and stick with you.
Anyways, I'm just rambling, but doesn't PSP make sense?

Added Later:
I'm not trying to make some big point. it just makes sense. Don't expect much from me. I R Just TalKinG. it's just my attempt at rubbing the two brain cells I have together.

Added Much Later:
Though I would like to hear what others have to say about the concept. In your opinion is the MC on to something.

Okay, so does the whole theory in the headmaster's method makes sense? I dunno, I ain't a psychologist or anything, but I remember reading diverse opinions on whether spankings are good or bad in the long term. I don't know anyone who has been spanked at early (or when said theorical person was a teenager) so, I can't say. Humiliations leave a mark and are remembered, I can tell that from experience, but I dunno if humiliation alone is enough to alter a behavior, I'd say no. Pleasure , especially sexual pleasure, also leaves a mark and you remember those times vividly. again, I don't think sexual pleasure alone will lead to change a behavior. We should ask a mistress (or a masochist slave) who, indeed combine, pain, humiliation and pleasure to instill authority and change her sub's behaviors. Maybe there's some merit in the theory, after all. I also remember seeing a video on something called "spanking therapy" which combines pain and humiliation, but no pleasure (to the one receiving it) I dunno if said therapy was effective or not, but who knows. Another aspect to consider is that a woman's brain works in an entirely different way than a man's brain. Woman remember anything... so if the theory has some merit, it might work better in women.

I finish my abstract, saying that whether the HM's theory is valid or not everytime I read his arguments he makes a believer out of me!

If I play a porn game, I am not only here for the male-on-female (or robot-on-monster or what have you) action. That is covered better by the aforementioned possibilities. I also want a game. That includes gameplay and plot

100% agree. I came here for the fetish, stayed for the plot... and Liz..

 

[Dragon139]

Dunno, it may be differently for others, but for me it's something like this:

If I want porn, there are resources available on the internet. Plenty actually, if you look carefully.

If I play a porn game, I am not only here for the male-on-female (or robot-on-monster or what have you) action. That is covered better by the aforementioned possibilities. I also want a game. That includes gameplay and plot (virtual novels focus more on the latter, some games have more of the former), interesting characters and stuff like that. I don't expect "War and Peace" at any length, but I like to indulge a bit, have fun with the non-porn parts, think about the whole stuff. Also I like to work (a little) for my rewards.

Thus for me personally, the "it's a porn game, why do you care?" doesn't make sense. I do care because I am playing a game (or "reading" a novel), and I appreciate every one with a unique approach, interesting characters and a somewhat (within its settings) workable plot, and I will stumble when I come across major holes.

Context and influence is what makes these games so much more enjoyable when it comes to the sex scenes.

 

[BadmanBaxter]

If we got any patrons in the house do you know when the next release is likely to occur

 

[Antwit]

If we got any patrons in the house do you know when the next release is likely to occur

Around mid of march, so about 4 weeks until next release or 28 to 30 days
So be a little more patient.
I´m very shure its worth to wait

 

[Phil5k]

when you sit back and think about it, the three pillars of the Headmaster's Theory make sense.
...
I would like to hear what others have to say about the concept. In your opinion is the MC on to something.

does the whole theory in the headmaster's method makes sense? I dunno, I ain't a psychologist or anything

I'm not sure if the theory makes sense or not, but I can tell you where Altos got the idea... he's said that

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was a major inspiration for the MC's pain, humiliation and pleasure theory. I suspect it also inspired some of the "how to discipline a young lady" scene (including the name of the scene).

And if you haven't read the stories yet, they might keep you entertained while we wait for version 0.7...

I cannot imagine to live in a Liz- less world.

Nooooo, no god nooooo!!!! Why would you suggest such a thing?!?!?

Just for that, I think we need a gratuitous picture of Liz. Because everything's better with more Liz in our lives...

 

[BadmanBaxter]

Around mid of march, so about 4 weeks until next release or 28 to 30 days
So be a little more patient.
I´m very shure its worth to wait

cheers

Around mid of march, so about 4 weeks until next release or 28 to 30 days
So be a little more patient.
I´m very shure its worth to wait

Cheers mate. I am very excited just wondered if we had any news

 

[sf_dom]

I'm not sure if the theory makes sense or not, but I can tell you where Altos got the idea... he's said that

You must be registered to see the links

was a major inspiration for the MC's pain, humiliation and pleasure theory. I suspect it also inspired some of the "how to discipline a young lady" scene (including the name of the scene).

And if you haven't read the stories yet, they might keep you entertained while we wait for version 0.7...

Wow. Yeah, that story feels almost identical to the scene in the game. The details differ slightly in a few key ways, but it's still close enough that you can see the areas where it was changed.

 

[Dragon139]

Wow. Yeah, that story feels almost identical to the scene in the game. The details differ slightly in a few key ways, but it's still close enough that you can see the areas where it was changed.

A lot of similarities, though the story went further than the game did.

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[Deleted member 1882153]

Is anyone aware of how this game mimics or resembles a possible situation pertaining to American political figures both alive and dead? It's very uncanny how certain aspects coincide.

 

[Havik79]

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mery, "come again".

 

[DorcasAurelia]

Ok, ok, ok, ok, ok
It's just a game I know, you know, we all know. But when you sit back and think about it, the three pillars of the Headmaster's Theory make sense.
When your a child corporal punishment instill fear that if you do bad it'll happen again. But as time goes by and you get older that fear loses it's power over you and so simple spanking doesn't work anymore. Because like the MC says you forget.
Adding the three Pillars of Pain, Shame (I really looked hard for a word starting with P but no luck), and Pleasure to a punishment really does make it stick. It's like ruminations they never go away and stick with you.
Anyways, I'm just rambling, but doesn't PSP make sense?

Added Later:
I'm not trying to make some big point. it just makes sense. Don't expect much from me. I R Just TalKinG. it's just my attempt at rubbing the two brain cells I have together.

Added Much Later:
Though I would like to hear what others have to say about the concept. In your opinion is the MC on to something.

I don't think so the Headmaster's theory works IRL, at least not in the way the game portrays it. (And that's fine because this is a porn game and the mechanics make it enjoyable). Pain and shame might discourage bad behavior, but the might just emphasize the importance of not getting caught. They're both rooted in fear, and fear only reliably works when there's a power imbalance. Plus, when the punishment is inflicted for offenses the recipient thinks are unjust or disproportionate, something like strict requirements on what kind of underwear you're allowed, it potentially fosters resentment.

Mostly though, the problem is that nothing in the theory reinforces good behavior. BuT wHaT aBoUt PlEaSuRe? He's using it when they're punished, not when they're behaving appropriately, in a bizzaro inversion of negative reinforcement (Psych 101 definition - negative reinforcement is not punishment to discourage bad behavior, it is when behavior is improved by the removal of an adverse factor).

Again, not a complaint about the game, I enjoy the game.

 

[Harlequin1229]

Mostly though, the problem is that nothing in the theory reinforces good behavior.

Perhaps find each girl's fetish, and allow her to play it out on the other girls?

 

[DorcasAurelia]

Perhaps find each girl's fetish, and allow her to play it out on the other girls?

I guess that's kind how it looks like things might shake out in the game, and it works for erotic content, but if the Headmaster's objective is actually to make delinquent individuals more well behaved and studious, what's the connection between one and the other? I suppose there's obvious Skinner Box route: acing a test gets rewarded by indulging the fetish.

Thinking about it a bit more, there's the situation where Debbie gets promoted to prefect, and that actually does improve her behavior quite a bit. She's given a purpose and goals, and that's what turns her around; but it's not actually tied into the pain, embarassment, pleasure theory.

(Again, not intending this as criticism of the game, just talking)

 

[chimichangajones]

Is anyone aware of how this game mimics or resembles a possible situation pertaining to American political figures both alive and dead? It's very uncanny how certain aspects coincide.

The former headmaster didn’t kill himself!

 

[Deleted member 1882153]

The former headmaster didn’t kill himself!

Ah, then you aren't aware.

 

[Phil5k]

Patreon: Development Update
Feb 7 at 3:59pm

Hi guys,

Work continues to progress on version 0.7 at a steady pace and it's time to give a quick update on our current progress. As I explained before, version 0.7 is all about filling in any gaps in the early game before moving into a new 'chapter' in version 0.8.

Most of our time in January was spent fleshing out the weekend events around the school and at the lake. We'll see some beach scenes with lots of girls in (and out of) their bikinis. There are some scenes in the dorms including; a movie night; a dungeons and dragons game; plus lots of little mini scenes and conversations with the girls. There will also be a couple of extra scenes for your maid Lucy at your apartment.

Now that that portion of the update is mostly complete it's time to press on with creating the punishment system for Amy and Cassandra. I've planned out their progression and I have much of their storylines written. It's time to start putting it all together and making all the animations. That's probably going to keep us busy for the whole of February and into early March. Making the animations is the biggest bottleneck that I currently have in terms of development speed but I'm hoping that having an assistant now will help speed things along.

As with Debbie and Rachel both Amy and Cassandra's punishment systems will play out slightly differently due to the girl's weaknesses with different reward scenes and different eventual roles for each girl. I'll be focusing on Amy as a higher priority and we'll see how far we get with Cassandra.

Once I have all that done I plan to spend a week or two creating a set of scenes for the English teacher Claire which will take us into mid march when we are hoping to have the release ready.

Looking forward to version 0.8 we shall make extra progress with all the girls who have punishment systems made (Debbie, Rachel Amy and Cassandra), plus we'll get a new batch of girls who will be sent to your office. Those girls have been decided by a series of polls held with our $10 and above patrons and the list will be as follows; the twins (to be punished together), Alice, Faye, Priti, Liz and new girl Zoe. To begin with we'll just have a classroom or patrol scene where we catch the girls misbehaving with the option to give a public or private punishment. They'll then have a placeholder punishment scene in your office, much like Amy and Cassandra currently have. Then I'll create a punishment system for them over the subsequent few updates.

In some more general news I recently invested in a new and much more powerful computer which should really help when creating large scenes with lots of characters (like the big classroom scene) which tended to slow down my old computer and cause it to overheat and crash. It will also help with video editing, creating high resolution custom art and wallpapers etc.

Altos

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

I don't think so the Headmaster's theory works IRL, at least not in the way the game portrays it. (And that's fine because this is a porn game and the mechanics make it enjoyable). Pain and shame might discourage bad behavior, but the might just emphasize the importance of not getting caught. They're both rooted in fear, and fear only reliably works when there's a power imbalance. Plus, when the punishment is inflicted for offenses the recipient thinks are unjust or disproportionate, something like strict requirements on what kind of underwear you're allowed, it potentially fosters resentment.

Mostly though, the problem is that nothing in the theory reinforces good behavior. BuT wHaT aBoUt PlEaSuRe? He's using it when they're punished, not when they're behaving appropriately, in a bizzaro inversion of negative reinforcement (Psych 101 definition - negative reinforcement is not punishment to discourage bad behavior, it is when behavior is improved by the removal of an adverse factor).

Again, not a complaint about the game, I enjoy the game.

Hmm, that's a good point... But I keep thinking of thing like Stockholm syndrome. Also what about the Theory of Uniform Effects where people follow instructions from people who appear to be in positions of authority. Also the Milgram Experiment and the Standford prison experiment comes to mind.
I don't doubt that those girls hold grudges and resentment. (the twins come to mind) But there girls live in a time were the GOVERMENT has taken their rights away. The MC may not have the power and influence over their lives like he says he does. But they don't know that. As far as their aware, the events occurring in the school are being portrayed as "normal" to them. Many of there's girls are good people that were tricked and/or abducted into the school. And we all know the power of not wanting to stand out and be normal like everyone else. The actions of the MC thanks to the information they have and the reinforcement of female staff are not things the girls can go against.

Look the point it moot really because the game is as you say not real life. and your right about there not being any positive reinforcement to their good behavior. Who know maybe it'll be added to the game. but lets not forget that one of their incentives is getting their lives back.

Going back to my point. given the right setting I think it would work. That is to say if your goal is breaking someone to your will.

Again sorry for the ranting and rambling...

 

[DorcasAurelia]

Hmm, that's a good point... But I keep thinking of thing like Stockholm syndrome. Also what about the Theory of Uniform Effects where people follow instructions from people who appear to be in positions of authority. Also the Milgram Experiment and the Standford prison experiment comes to mind.
I don't doubt that those girls hold grudges and resentment. (the twins come to mind) But there girls live in a time were the GOVERMENT has taken their rights away. The MC may not have the power and influence over their lives like he says he does. But they don't know that. As far as their aware, the events occurring in the school are being portrayed as "normal" to them. Many of there's girls are good people that were tricked and/or abducted into the school. And we all know the power of not wanting to stand out and be normal like everyone else. The actions of the MC thanks to the information they have and the reinforcement of female staff are not things the girls can go against.

Look the point it moot really because the game is as you say not real life. and your right about there not being any positive reinforcement to their good behavior. Who know maybe it'll be added to the game. but lets not forget that one of their incentives is getting their lives back.

Going back to my point. given the right setting I think it would work. That is to say if your goal is breaking someone to your will.

Again sorry for the ranting and rambling...

That all makes sense. The examples you raise do justify the girls obeying him, but I realize now that I probably left out part of my thinking: that the headmaster is trying to effect behavioral changes so that don't require a constant authoritative influence to maintain. So, I don't think his system would work as he intends it, in this setting where Mykok and his associates have the influence to create of schools fronting as disciplinary institutions but actually being sex slave factories would work, since there will remain the level of power imbalance allowing the threat of punishment to keep subjects in line. However, from what we've seen in Rachel and Debbie's quests so far, it feels more like the character improvements come from bonding personally with the Headmaster. So maybe it's just that his theory is incomplete and needs refining.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

That all makes sense. The examples you raise do justify the girls obeying him, but I realize now that I probably left out part of my thinking: that the headmaster is trying to effect behavioral changes so that don't require a constant authoritative influence to maintain. So, I don't think his system would work as he intends it, in this setting where Mykok and his associates have the influence to create of schools fronting as disciplinary institutions but actually being sex slave factories would work, since there will remain the level of power imbalance allowing the threat of punishment to keep subjects in line. However, from what we've seen in Rachel and Debbie's quests so far, it feels more like the character improvements come from bonding personally with the Headmaster. So maybe it's just that his theory is incomplete and needs refining.

OH TOTALLY! the MC is deluded in thinking his method will work in order to create upstanding and productive citizens that contribute to society in general. (unless were talking about the society that Chinese artist Yuzhou who does extreme female bondage and body modification hentai) *clears throat*
This is totally an experimental behavioral modification sex slave factory.
I think though its more Stockholm then bonding though when it comes to Rachel and Debbie... kind of and I HATE using this example Debbie is like Amanda Young in SAW who became an apprentice.
I also agree if he was given a chance to refine and improve the theory it might make it work better. But in all honesty his work will only produce slaves.

 

[Gustavs]

the MC is deluded in thinking his method will work in order to create upstanding and productive citizens that contribute to society in general. [...] his work will only produce slaves.

You are contradicting yourself here