VN Ren'Py The Higher Society Illustrated [v0.22] [xxerikxx]

[xxerikxx]

I can agree with the Jenny part, but not with Angelina and Sofia.

You give the player the option for MC to try to stop Angelina doing any experimenting by MC telling her hes not ok with her expermenting, and yet she does and hide it from MC knowing hes not ok with it and that it can provoke anger and jealousy, which on its own is weird since she wants to be with her stepdad but thats her charater she just cant be trusted at that point.
I did feel jealous after the two licked one another, and i feel MC was as well when he gets angry with Sofia telling her she had sex with hes virgin daughter, something he never wanted to happen in my playthrough.

I see it as NTR since MC is having a sexual relationship with Angelina call it training or helping but it has still changed from being just a stepdad to a sexual relationship in one way or another and once a relationship turns into that i personaly dont want to see her cheat or have sex with anyone else but the MC since i would feel jealous about it, and i also belive MC would feel that way or there is no point in him being angry at all.

I dont mind if a game as 20 tags and they should be forced to show them if those tags are true and the content is in the game no matter how small a part it is, i just check to see if the ones i hate is among them or not.

When i see a game with the NTR tag, i always go read the spoilers and information on page 1 since alot of creators explain it there, saying its avoidable or its soft ntr with lesbians and so on, then deside if i want to play it or not, but would never complain if i know its there, since it wold be my own faulth for playing.

Also i have never, not once said the hole game is about NTR, ive said the oppesit and ive only talked about one small part of the game, the lesbian sex scenes with Angelina nothing else.

The thing you dont take into account is when someone plays the game for hours on end, loving it enjoying it and then it gets destroyed in 2 seconds from an ntr scene with the girl you have done everything you can as MC for it not to happen, then it feels really really bad and makes you feel like shit, not the hours you just wasted but not being able to play on with a game you loved to play, thats why its importen to put in the right tags no matter how small a part it is in the game, if its there people needs to know about it before playing.

You may be jealous, but luckily enough we can read MC's mindset in this story and he is not jealous. He is very protective of Angelina but not at any point shows any signs that he is jealous of Sophia. He is upset that she didn't tell him, especially since MC started dating Sophia and ended up having sex with her. Perhaps even Sophia/Angelina felt a little guilty for not telling MC, but they never tried to make him jealous.

The problem with 20 tags is that it doesn't give the developers a chance to use the tags to indicate to the players what kind of game it is. Players end up testing out a bunch of games just to discover that it's not in there taste. With just 5 tags then the developer can more clearly show the players what kind of game it is. In this game my 5 tags would be: Romance, Male domination, Cheating, Corruption and Incest.

Yes, I know that by some people definitions there's not much "real" incest in the game, but it's still a topic that is teased and played with throughout the story. Therefor that tag is much more relevant than the NTR-tag that wouldn't be on my top 20 list of tags to describe this game.

There's a lot of things that can make people uncomfortable in a big erotic visual novel and if seeing MC's daughter having sex with another girl is so problematic for you then you should probably stay away from erotic visual novels. To expect that everyone should go out of their way to help you avoid things that make you uncomfortable is just stupid. Tags should be there to indicate what kind of game it is not to protect people with mental problems.

You're problems with NTR should be a private conversation between you and your psychiatrist and not something that belongs in a game-thread.

 

[hysepReC]

Forget the "jealousy" part, it just confuses people. Look at the new definition that's part of F95's tag revamp (seen in my last post). If a LI is in a romantic/sexual relationship with the MC and then has sex with someone else (doesn't matter if it's a girl) without his approval, it's netorare. Plain and simple.

Tags should be there to indicate what kind of game it is not to protect people with mental problems.

No, tags should be there to let people know what kind of content is in the game.

If a game has a single rape scene, it still gets the tag.
If a game has a single bestiality scene, it still gets the tag.
if a game has a single swinging scene, it still gets the tag.

The same thing applies to netorare. Your game has netorare and so it should have the tag. I understand that you're sick to death of discussions like this and i don't mean to pile on but i just want to see games tagged correctly. If you weren't so resistant to adding the netorare tag, these debates likely would have died down by now.

 

[xxerikxx]

No, tags should be there to let people know what kind of content is in the game.

That's the problem with this site. That is why people can't figure out what the game is about before they play it.

I understand that you're sick to death of discussions like this and i don't mean to pile on but i just want to see games tagged correctly. If you weren't so resistant to adding the netorare tag, these debates likely would have died down by now.

You're right I'm sick of stupid discussions like this. But you're wrong that this is because of me. These kind of stupid NTR discussions exist on almost every game on F95zone. While on Itch where they treat developers with respect and let them present their own games you never see stupid discussions like this and people find interesting games more easily.

 

[hysepReC]

That's the problem with this site. That is why people can't figure out what the game is about before they play it.

I don't see it as a problem. More tags make it easier to figure out what a game is about, not harder.

These kind of stupid NTR discussions exist on almost every game on F95zone.

That's true but you're really not doing yourself any favours here. If you add the tag and people still complain then that's completely on them. You could just report their posts and let the moderators deal with it. If the game was properly tagged as NTR, i likely wouldn't even be here right now. I don't go into every game thread that has NTR content and complain about it. It only becomes an issue for me when it's untagged.

 

[MikesDK]

You may be jealous, but luckily enough we can read MC's mindset in this story and he is not jealous. He is very protective of Angelina but not at any point shows any signs that he is jealous of Sophia. He is upset that she didn't tell him, especially since MC started dating Sophia and ended up having sex with her. Perhaps even Sophia/Angelina felt a little guilty for not telling MC, but they never tried to make him jealous.

The problem with 20 tags is that it doesn't give the developers a chance to use the tags to indicate to the players what kind of game it is. Players end up testing out a bunch of games just to discover that it's not in there taste. With just 5 tags then the developer can more clearly show the players what kind of game it is. In this game my 5 tags would be: Romance, Male domination, Cheating, Corruption and Incest.

Yes, I know that by some people definitions there's not much "real" incest in the game, but it's still a topic that is teased and played with throughout the story. Therefor that tag is much more relevant than the NTR-tag that wouldn't be on my top 20 list of tags to describe this game.

There's a lot of things that can make people uncomfortable in a big erotic visual novel and if seeing MC's daughter having sex with another girl is so problematic for you then you should probably stay away from erotic visual novels. To expect that everyone should go out of their way to help you avoid things that make you uncomfortable is just stupid. Tags should be there to indicate what kind of game it is not to protect people with mental problems.

You're problems with NTR should be a private conversation between you and your psychiatrist and not something that belongs in a game-thread.

I think you will find there is alot more people that hates NTR and have a problem with it then there are people who likes it.

Incest tag is fine since for some reason they dont need to be blood related for it to be incest on this site, i dont agree with it since it wouldent be incest in the eyes of the law if not blood related, but i accept it since thats how they made the tag rules on this site.

The 20 tags or whatever sould be there do show what you can run into in a game, even a single guy/guy kiss should then have gay tag, a single ntr scene should have ntr tag.
Tags are not where you find out what the game is about, you read the description on page 1 where the creator can explain the story and what game is about and you can use the spoilers for even more info as well.

If you only put in those 5 tags of yours, people would miss out on way to much, you got to remember people look on tags to see if a game has the kinks/fetish they like to play, so in this game you wouldent know that it has a virgin(s) which alot of people like, or that it has animations and so on, so you do need to use all the tags so people know what to expect in the game.

For Angelina i see it as ntr, its not just cheating when shes having a romance and a sexual relationship with someone else then MC multiple times, first kissing, then licking, then toys, its alot more then cheating or a one night stand.
And to me the hole reason MC gets angry at both Angelina and Sofia is because of jealousy, i dont see any reason why he would be angry if not for that reason, if hes not jealous then he should be happy about it that him helping has done good for getting her out of her shell.

 

[Yngling]

I don't see it as a problem. More tags make it easier to figure out what a game is about, not harder.

I'm with xxerikxx on this.

A larger game with a somewhat complex storyline will have a huge amount of tags. But people who are looking for something may download a game based on a certain tag, which applies only to a very short scene somewhere deep into the story.

For example, Midlife Crisis has the "gay" tag. But it is about a guy building a harem of women (and one optional trans character) many of whom are related. The tags which apply here are "harem" and "incest" and probably "cheating" because his wife is not aware of everything he does, and in some cases "romance" as well. But the game also has the "gay" tag because of one short scene between two side characters. But I were looking for a gay themed game, I'd be pretty disappointed to say the least because it's nowhere near the focus of the game.

 

[xxerikxx]

I don't see it as a problem. More tags make it easier to figure out what a game is about, not harder.


That's true but you're really not doing yourself any favours here. If you add the tag and people still complain then that's completely on them. You could just report their posts and let the moderators deal with it. If the game was properly tagged as NTR, i likely wouldn't even be here right now. I don't go into every game thread that has NTR content and complain about it. It only becomes an issue for me when it's untagged.

No. People complain all the time over content that is tagged but not visible in the game. The tags creates expectations and when people download the content based on tags then they get upset and start ranting in the game-thread because the game isn't what they expected it to be. The NTR tag will make people who like NTR download the game and this game will be a big disappointment for them.

The tags should help players not confuse them and build unrealistic expectations.

 

[hysepReC]

I'm with xxerikxx on this.

A larger game with a somewhat complex storyline will have a huge amount of tags. But people who are looking for something may download a game based on a certain tag, which applies only to a very short scene somewhere deep into the story.

For example, Midlife Crisis has the "gay" tag. But it is about a guy building a harem of women (and one optional trans character) many of whom are related. The tags which apply here are "harem" and "incest" and probably "cheating" because his wife is not aware of everything he does, and in some cases "romance" as well. But the game also has the "gay" tag because of one short scene between two side characters. But I were looking for a gay themed game, I'd be pretty disappointed to say the least because it's nowhere near the focus of the game.

Tags don't only exist to tell people what the main focus of the game is, they also serve as a warning so people can avoid content they dislike. I'm sure you know how divisive NTR is and that a single NTR scene can easily spoil a player's experience.

I will counter your example with one of my own. Oh Daddy is a game mostly about the MC fucking his daughter and her friends but it still got the netorare tag because the daughter fooled around with another girl behind his back. The same thing happens here.

No. People complain all the time over content that is tagged but not visible in the game. The tags creates expectations and when people download the content based on tags then they get upset and start ranting in the game-thread because the game isn't what they expected it to be. The NTR tag will make people who like NTR download the game and this game will be a big disappointment for them.

The tags should help players not confuse them and build unrealistic expectations.

Not having the tag also creates expectations. If i see game without the netorare tag, i don't expect one (or more) of the LIs to be cheating on the MC or having sex with other people behind his back. You are going to disappoint people either way so it's better to be honest about what's in the game and tag it properly.

 

[xxerikxx]

You are going to disappoint people either way so it's better to be honest about what's in the game and tag it properly.

Are you calling me dishonest? I'm the most honest developer you will meet and I don't care how many supporters I lose because of my honesty. I will not mislead players with wrong tags just because some of you have mental issues that make you freak out over content you don't like.

 

[hysepReC]

Are you calling me dishonest? Listen to me you little piece of shit. I'm the most honest developer you will meet and I don't care how many supporters I lose because of my honesty. I will not mislead players with wrong tags just because some of you have mental issues that make you freak out over content you don't like.

I didn't mean it like that so i don't know why you're resorting to insults. But now that you mention it, yes, refusing to tag content that's in the game is a form of dishonesty and you are misleading people with this attitude. I've tried to have a civil discussion about this but that clearly isn't possible with you so i'm just gonna take my leave now.

 

[Yngling]

Tags don't only exist to tell people what the main focus of the game is, they also serve as a warning so people can avoid content they dislike.

That's the question. You can see it both ways.

In both ways, some people will be offended or displeased.

I would argue for two tag systems: one to indicate the main focus, the other to warn about offensive content.

But it's very easy to overlook some of the offensive tags, especially when it depends on players reporting stuff. The gay scene in Midlife Crisis for example is very easy to miss / skip and I could assume that most players never see it.

And of course you can also hold the position that porn games are meant to be at least somewhat offensive, because that is what makes it edgy and therefore erotic.

 

[Ryahn]

No more discussion of NTR, tags, insulting each other, etc

If the game is not tagged correctly, report it.
Dont like NTR, then stay out of the thread.
You really like NTR but want to argue with others, stay out of the thread.
Arguing because the game doesn't have X tag, then report it. Its off topic when it derails into other conversations.

And yes, I over moderated the thread. If you dont like it, touch.

 

[goulet1995]

No. People complain all the time over content that is tagged but not visible in the game. The tags creates expectations and when people download the content based on tags then they get upset and start ranting in the game-thread because the game isn't what they expected it to be. The NTR tag will make people who like NTR download the game and this game will be a big disappointment for them.

The tags should help players not confuse them and build unrealistic expectations.

this goes both ways for instance in your five tags you put lesbian isnt there which is something i dislike and actively avoid the more info i have i can have a more complete understanding of what the game is. for me especially when talking about something like ntr whether 1 scene or the main theme i prefer the tag is there the site allows us to filter for and filter out tags for a reason what you suggest wouldnt allow that

 

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[Look-see]

got my comment deleted for (Off Topic)

makes no sense. it was the one asking about if we were gonna have the option to hook up with MC's...ward? trainee? and/or secretary.

which is weird cause it was a question about the game. not the discussion of what is or is not NTR.

that being said i stand by being able to hook up with at least one of the throw away trainee's.... just seems like a wasted opportunity. really wanna get those benefits of being in THS. i can accept that we wont get ALL of them. but maybe one decent hook up before we send them off to a new master.


buuuut that's just me.

 

[Yngling]

this goes both ways for instance in your five tags you put lesbian isnt there which is something i dislike and actively avoid the more info i have i can have a more complete understanding of what the game is.

The game isn't about lesbians. A lesbian who is looking for a lesbian game would be disappointed, even though it has a fair number of lesbian scenes.

It's the same discussion about tags all over again: are tags there to search for content, or to avoid content?

 

[xxerikxx]

got my comment deleted for (Off Topic)

makes no sense. it was the one asking about if we were gonna have the option to hook up with MC's...ward? trainee? and/or secretary.

which is weird cause it was a question about the game. not the discussion of what is or is not NTR.

that being said i stand by being able to hook up with at least one of the throw away trainee's.... just seems like a wasted opportunity. really wanna get those benefits of being in THS. i can accept that we wont get ALL of them. but maybe one decent hook up before we send them off to a new master.


buuuut that's just me.

Yes, you are one of the few who wanted to stay on topic, so why the moderators deleted you is unclear.

There will be possibilities to have at least one sex-scene with Tenley later in the story. But it will feel too unrealistic if MC has sex with every female character he meets in this big game. Besides, I want players to understand that THS is something more than just some sex-cult. MC is helping Tenley and Yvette with their work in THS. He is not their Master and hasn't any responsibilities when it come to training them.

 

[Shawnchapp]

got my comment deleted for (Off Topic)

makes no sense. it was the one asking about if we were gonna have the option to hook up with MC's...ward? trainee? and/or secretary.

which is weird cause it was a question about the game. not the discussion of what is or is not NTR.

that being said i stand by being able to hook up with at least one of the throw away trainee's.... just seems like a wasted opportunity. really wanna get those benefits of being in THS. i can accept that we wont get ALL of them. but maybe one decent hook up before we send them off to a new master.


buuuut that's just me.

it was a batch deletion yours probably just got deleted by accident in the cross fire, it happens,


But ya i was also disapointed with the fact we don't get to train the girls i thought that was the point fo the game and not be a glofied secretary... feels more like a demotion then a promotion to me but thats just me.. but maybe in the future that will change time will tell.

The game isn't about lesbians. A lesbian who is looking for a lesbian game would be disappointed, even though it has a fair number of lesbian scenes.

.... I'm pretty sure any lesbian who picks any game with a male protag would be disappoint in amount of lesbian content in the game regardless of how much lesbian content there is because clearly any game tagged with "male protag" means just by default lesbian isn't the focus of the game and is just a sub-genre.

just like if i was looking for alot of gay content i wouldn't pick a game with a "female protag"

but for people looking just for a bit of lesbian content would be quite pleased here there sure is alot here thats more then enough justifys the tag





also


yes, yes you did go away you brat!

 

[ImperialD]

hmmm ... you ( dev ) got me thinking ....
question .... where or better yet when does the harem aspect start ... there has been nothing so far leading to that route ... is it something you plan , like towards the end of the game ?
or was that tag not supposed to be part of this game ?
i don't mean to question you about your own game ... i'm just curious ... yeah i love harem games .. but i also love mostly 70%-80% of other games on this site ...
and regardless of anything i love this game ...

 

[yilkin]

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