RPGM Completed The Last Sovereign [v1.0.0] [Sierra Lee]

[Ner0nitas]

Ya'll are giving far more weight to the hidden variables then they deserve as well. Yes if you don't look up stuff you can't optimize, but unless you're just playing like a complete contrarian (choosing things Simon wouldn't normally do, intentionally ignoring talking to people when given a chance, not interacting with or trying to be balanced in systems such as research/investments, etc.) then you will almost always get at least the 3rd best outcome.

Most things have 4-6 possible outcomes with the first basically being bragging rights/used a guide it gives the best rewards but not substantially more than the second, being smartly playing into the story. The third usually won't give you bonus rewards, but will also not generally give negative consequences either and the ones after that generally will have those negatives. Getting through the game completely blind with a mix of rank 2-3 outcomes is entirely doable as long as you actually play into the story. You will be weaker than someone doing an optimized run, but having done a mostly optimized run the game gets really trivial towards the end anyway if you've got everyone rocking BiS with nearly every possible bonus.

That's why the game is generally so well balanced, cause it already takes into account the worst possible outcome of quests.
I hate to play the 'Doom' card again, but it's like when levels aren't designed around secrets.
They might make your life easier, but the levels are perfectly beatable without finding a single one.

They're used for the steam achievement tracking I believe.

Ah thanks.
Yeah, screw me for living in germany, cause I can't even view the Steam page for this game.
Thank god for itch.io and other sites (hint hint), cause I can't even find 'Fear & Hunger' in the german Steam store.

 

[Fulminato]

Does someone know what 'Save777' and 'Save666' are?
'Save777' creates itself when you start the game, and renaming it to any other save leads to a crash when you simply hover over the file.
'Save666' does absolutely nothing when renamed as a loadable file, and it's an empty file without a single char, and you can't load it.

one store pad control setting, the other manage steam achievement.

 

[Hello231]

Can someone explain all of the ending? And also,as I am playing it first time,any tips or suggestion/s (since I am not corruption,ntr etc lover and wanna be on the morally right path as much as possible)?

 

[Lolicon Kami]

Can someone explain all of the ending? And also,as I am playing it first time,any tips or suggestion/s (since I am not corruption,ntr etc lover and wanna be on the morally right path as much as possible)?

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For best walkthrough, calculator lets you plan out deviations from Thosha Walkthrough so you can see if you can still reach best outcome

 

[Ner0nitas]

Is there any explanation for dummies for the whole vote-part in the second chapter?
Cause oh boy, this is the first point where I feel incredibly frustrated, simply because the game wants me to follow... whatever the hell happened here, treating it like "just be clever".
But no... I'm not clever, I feel like an 8-year old, trying to win 4D chess.

Politics in general are not an easy theme, and now the game throws around names for each fantasy country with all these guys voting for stuff and I should be able to influence the votes.
Yeah no... no way in hell I'm following all the mental gymnastics that happen here.
Following a guide would be dumb, cause I wanna understand what's going on here.
The vote for opening the vault was utterly destroyed, cause apparently, I didn't follow 25 specific steps on the way.

I've only managed to clear the port... which leads to my frustration.
In order to experiment with all the choices, to see if I can get a better outcome here and there, I have to do so much stuff in between.
And I know the game is designed with different outcomes in mind, and maybe I do better in the next playthrough... where it's a gamble again with some frustrating fights in between, just to see the outcome.
But it isn't treated as a gamble, cause everything makes sense... for people who can wrap their head around.
I can't, I'm lost, and the gap between your first choice and the final votes are 1-2 hours.


Sorry for the vent... but what the fuck.

EDIT: And yes, I know it isn't about playing optimally at first.
But I failed at every single thing the party wanted here.
I thought it's just how the story should play out... but no, apparently I'm really that stupid.

 

[SmiggyBalls104]

I enjoy playing my own music in the background of large scale games such as these which often re-use the same tracks a lot, is the soundtrack of this game considered remarkable enough to let it seep into my background brain or will I not be missing out on too much? Or are there only certain area's of the game that most would recommend I keep the BGM playing?

 

[TheNamed]

Is there any explanation for dummies for the whole vote-part in the second chapter?
Cause oh boy, this is the first point where I feel incredibly frustrated, simply because the game wants me to follow... whatever the hell happened here, treating it like "just be clever".
But no... I'm not clever, I feel like an 8-year old, trying to win 4D chess.

Politics in general are not an easy theme, and now the game throws around names for each fantasy country with all these guys voting for stuff and I should be able to influence the votes.
Yeah no... no way in hell I'm following all the mental gymnastics that happen here.
Following a guide would be dumb, cause I wanna understand what's going on here.
The vote for opening the vault was utterly destroyed, cause apparently, I didn't follow 25 specific steps on the way.

I've only managed to clear the port... which leads to my frustration.
In order to experiment with all the choices, to see if I can get a better outcome here and there, I have to do so much stuff in between.
And I know the game is designed with different outcomes in mind, and maybe I do better in the next playthrough... where it's a gamble again with some frustrating fights in between, just to see the outcome.
But it isn't treated as a gamble, cause everything makes sense... for people who can wrap their head around.
I can't, I'm lost, and the gap between your first choice and the final votes are 1-2 hours.


Sorry for the vent... but what the fuck.

EDIT: And yes, I know it isn't about playing optimally at first.
But I failed at every single thing the party wanted here.
I thought it's just how the story should play out... but no, apparently I'm really that stupid.

I presume you mean the Ardford summit.
Some of the votes aren't changeable. There are three where your actions and choices can lead to the votes succeeding or failing. With a guide such as

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or note taking and some analysis it's possible to get the optimum result on all three, provided you made a particular investment earlier. Without that investment, only one, though you can choose which. This is a game where your decisions matter.

If you like the story and want good results more than making your own choices full walkthroughs are available such as

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or

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. But you'll only ever get one blind play.

Personally, I suggest running with whatever you got and carrying on. You'll still get a good story.

 

[TheNamed]

For me the combat as a hole is difficult I need to use potions almost every fight. I have mental disabilities so it what it is. This games balance is not as easy as you all think it is. Limited resources and items makes it even harder for those of us that cant figure out the combat system. Other wise I like the game and the story but I do not enjoy the combat.

Ah. You might want to use a save editor to give your characters more stats in that case to let you power through (just add stats, not levels - sometimes level gets checked and being higher than is actually possible at that point in the game has negative effects). I'd describe the overall combat difficulty as moderate - status effects and resistances are important for both you and the enemy but you don't ever need to chain particular skill combinations from different characters together. Alternatively, there are videos and written strategies for pretty much every enemy available.

 

[Ner0nitas]

I presume you mean the Ardford summit.
Some of the votes aren't changeable. There are three where your actions and choices can lead to the votes succeeding or failing. With a guide such as

You must be registered to see the links

or note taking and some analysis it's possible to get the optimum result on all three, provided you made a particular investment earlier. Without that investment, only one, though you can choose which. This is a game where your decisions matter.

If you like the story and want good results more than making your own choices full walkthroughs are available such as

You must be registered to see the links

or

You must be registered to see the links

. But you'll only ever get one blind play.

Personally, I suggest running with whatever you got and carrying on. You'll still get a good story.

Yeah, that one blind play is why I try to not look into these walkthroughs.
But sometimes, I wonder "Is this really all there is to it?" and then, I just peek through it, just to see in the corner of my eye "Run from the spiders."... jesus...

And I guess with the investment I have to make beforehand, you talk about one in the Migail route... the one where I thought it's for later, cause I didn't have nearly enough money.
Which means, in order to do this, I should have invested in the right things beforehand, in order to have enough money for that person.

I know that my decisions matter, but it would be nice if the game would tell me where I failed.
Cause it rarely is a case of "Where did I fail?" and more "Did I actually fail? Could the outcome have been different?".
And the gap between cause and effect is so huge that there is no room for experimenting.

Which means either:
Play this (fairly long) game over and over again, see what happens when you do this and that different.
or
Read a guide.

Still, thanks for the links!
I might not look into the general guide, but when I play this game again after beating it, I might give the 'Ardford Summit' guide a look.

 

[TheNamed]

Yeah, that one blind play is why I try to not look into these walkthroughs.
But sometimes, I wonder "Is this really all there is to it?" and then, I just peek through it, just to see in the corner of my eye "Run from the spiders."... jesus...

And I guess with the investment I have to make beforehand, you talk about one in theMigail route... the one where I thought it's for later, cause I didn't have nearly enough money.
Which means, in order to do this, I should have invested in the right things beforehand, in order to have enough money for that person.

I know that my decisions matter, but it would be nice if the game would tell me where I failed.
Cause it rarely is a case of "Where did I fail?" and more "Did I actually fail? Could the outcome have been different?".
And the gap between cause and effect is so huge that there is no room for experimenting.

Which means either:
Play this (fairly long) game over and over again, see what happens when you do this and that different.
or
Read a guide.

Still, thanks for the links!
I might not look into the general guide, but when I play this game again after beating it, I might give the 'Ardford Summit' guide a look.

It's not going to be suddenly unplayable because you missed a couple of votes at the summit. Two of the ones you likely missed (unpeople and orcs) even have some benefits of their own, even if overall generally considered inferior.

 

[Ner0nitas]

It's not going to be suddenly unplayable because you missed a couple of votes at the summit. Two of the ones you likely missed (unpeople and orcs) even have some benefits of their own, even if overall generally considered inferior.

I wouldn't call the Orc one 'failed', since after talking with my party, I decided myself for extermination.
Might be good, might be not, but there are some party members which opinion I value more.

And yeah, this is what's good about the game... that it seems to be balanced around failure.
This, and the fact that some things you do have a say in both have a good and bad side, like you said, each choice has its benefits.

 

[duncanwadams]

By the way, did anyone make an intentional "fail" run? With the worst possible outcomes and dumbest decisions?

 

[whatmi]

How difficult and 'stressful' is the game?

i know it takes eternity to finish
and i know it has mandatory failure
and force you to follow scenario before progressing
and scenario is not always clear so you walk around talking to everybody

 

[Ner0nitas]

i know it takes eternity to finish
and i know it has mandatory failure
and force you to follow scenario before progressing
and scenario is not always clear so you walk around talking to everybody

A lot happened between the point I've asked this till now, and I'm at the start of Chapter 3.
My main concern was the non-existing grinding and the fear of handling limited resources.
But so far, the game is very generous and well balanced, and non of the fear mattered in the slightest.

Anyway, thanks!
And so far, I've never had a problem with figuring out what to do, but more with the fact that there is more to do than I'm allowed to do.
Still, never lead to any gameplay-trouble so far.

 

[Ner0nitas]

By the way, did anyone make an intentional "fail" run? With the worst possible outcomes and dumbest decisions?

I've thought about something like this, cause it would show that the game is perfectly beatable, no matter what.
But then the question is, what is the worst outcome and the dumbest decision?
Cause basically, it means don't do any optional investments at all, which is the worst decision.
And if you don't wanna stop there, don't do any optional battles.
But I think at that point, the balancing crumbles... or at least, the possibility to get very far.

 

[Troqu]

I've thought about something like this, cause it would show that the game is perfectly beatable, no matter what.
But then the question is, what is the worst outcome and the dumbest decision?
Cause basically, it means don't do any optional investments at all, which is the worst decision.
And if you don't wanna stop there, don't do any optional battles.
But I think at that point, the balancing crumbles... or at least, the possibility to get very far.

You'd actually probably do better than average if you avoided every battle you could, because the game actually does a lot of checks to find out if you're far behind and gives you bonuses. You'd have to spend a ridiculous amount of time figuring out how much you can avoid to be as weak as possible without giving bonuses.

For example a mid game check vs Someone's level has a range of 18 levels. If you're at the top you get +2, if you're close to the top you get +1, the middle 13 levels give +0, and if you're below that you get +2 again. Not every check has something like this, but Sierra did a good job of tipping the scales when it's clearly needed.
Being a bit vague as to what area and what the + values mean on purpose since it's not really relevant.

 

[duncanwadams]

Cause basically, it means don't do any optional investments at all, which is the worst decision.

I meant not skipping investments, but selecting the most useless at this stage. Like investing in a shrine, city beautification, and the flower trade at the end of ch1.

Regarding examples of dumb decisions, it is probably whoring Qum, extorting money from Megail, annoying Esthera, and going after slimes in timed sections of ch 2.

 

[Ner0nitas]

You'd actually probably do better than average if you avoided every battle you could, because the game actually does a lot of checks to find out if you're far behind and gives you bonuses. You'd have to spend a ridiculous amount of time figuring out how much you can avoid to be as weak as possible without giving bonuses.

For example a mid game check vs Someone's level has a range of 18 levels. If you're at the top you get +2, if you're close to the top you get +1, the middle 13 levels give +0, and if you're below that you get +2 again. Not every check has something like this, but Sierra did a good job of tipping the scales when it's clearly needed.
Being a bit vague as to what area and what the + values mean on purpose since it's not really relevant.

Yeah, sounds actually that alot of care went into this.
So she made sure that the player just doesn't play himself into a wall.
I can imagine that the fights will be a good bit harder, but in this game, a working strategy seems to be more important.

EDIT: Kinda like 'SaGa' games, where it isn't encouraged to grind, but instead, higher tier enemies bring your party up to a standard anyway.

 

[Ner0nitas]

I meant not skipping investments, but selecting the most useless at this stage. Like investing in a shrine, city beautification, and the flower trade at the end of ch1.

Regarding examples of dumb decisions, it is probably whoring Qum, extorting money from Megail, annoying Esthera, and going after slimes in timed sections of ch 2.

Yeah, I know what you mean, but even here is the question, where does it end?
Going after the slimes in that section... it would basically mean, don't do anything else, as soon as it's available.
'Skip' time elsewhere, and as soon as you can go out, waste the rest of these days doing nothing but go to the place with the slimes.

Don't talk to NPCs which give you hidden points simply by talking to them.

Absolutely just do the necessary stuff in the routes... or wherever.
Which leads again to not making decisions at all, so no investing.
It's hard to describe, but what I mean is that even doing the optional stuff is a choice by the player, and not doing it is also a choice, when the player thinks "Let's save the little money I have.".

But ignoring that, then yeah, choosing the route of the worst decisions would be interesting.

EDIT: Basically, keep every single hidden value as low as possible.

 

[Shevian]

Okay, great game and all. But some fights are extremely unbalanced and dependent on RNG too much.

I'm looking at you Erosia, what the heck was that last stand?