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Terminator_26F

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Do your job, guys. The important thing is to keep your supporters informed (honestly, without bullshit) on the progress of operations and on the efforts you are making to keep (as precisely as possible) your commitments. If there are some who have their asses on fire, they either call the fire department or they go to see a porn movie. Better a good job well done that takes time than a messy mess in a week.
 

UserNed

Newbie
Mar 18, 2019
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I'm just wondering . . . This has 99 reviews and a 5 star rating. Should a rating for an incomplete game/story be reduced over time? I remember giving this game a try over a year and half ago. The progress then stopped just after the mom tried to provide a bj to the MC in the car. The story really has not progressed much at all in what seems like a lot of time. I understand the idea of 'hey, so far it's a 5 star game' or 'if they can keep up this level of story/quality this is gonna be a 5 star game' But, I wonder about the folks who posted a review in 2019 - are they still happy with the game?
 

mr.AwesomeGameTaste

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Feb 18, 2021
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I'm just wondering . . . This has 99 reviews and a 5 star rating. Should a rating for an incomplete game/story be reduced over time? I remember giving this game a try over a year and half ago. The progress then stopped just after the mom tried to provide a bj to the MC in the car. The story really has not progressed much at all in what seems like a lot of time. I understand the idea of 'hey, so far it's a 5 star game' or 'if they can keep up this level of story/quality this is gonna be a 5 star game' But, I wonder about the folks who posted a review in 2019 - are they still happy with the game?
If they weren't they could always change their ratings. I get why some would think that the story has not progressed much,but oh well,sometimes shit happens and I believe carbon will deliver. Thankfully no one is forcing anyone to play and it's up to people to do so,some will get whiny after a slight delay and some are still waiting for a new Come Inside episode.
 

CarbonBlue

Developer of Unleashed
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Oct 25, 2018
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I'm just wondering . . . This has 99 reviews and a 5 star rating. Should a rating for an incomplete game/story be reduced over time?
First, what a whiny, bitchy post.

Second, what you're talking about is against the rules. You're supposed to judge a game as is, and not "update times, etc." Such reviews tend to get deleted, though there appears to be at least one moderator here who doesn't understand that.
 

Thrill Flares

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Feb 1, 2020
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First, what a whiny, bitchy post.

Second, what you're talking about is against the rules. You're supposed to judge a game as is, and not "update times, etc." Such reviews tend to get deleted, though there appears to be at least one moderator here who doesn't understand that.
That did not that did not sign whiny nor bitchy to me. It sounded like a genuine question. Against the rules on not its still a good question to think about for a second. Yes some people need to be more understanding, but some people are also more use to a game getting regularly updated with new content at least once a month with significant changes in a few months time at least. I have yet to complain and won't complain cause since i do not give you money for your work my opinion on your game and updates are mute.
 

Aristos

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Dec 28, 2017
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I'm just wondering . . . This has 99 reviews and a 5 star rating. Should a rating for an incomplete game/story be reduced over time? I remember giving this game a try over a year and half ago. The progress then stopped just after the mom tried to provide a bj to the MC in the car. The story really has not progressed much at all in what seems like a lot of time. I understand the idea of 'hey, so far it's a 5 star game' or 'if they can keep up this level of story/quality this is gonna be a 5 star game' But, I wonder about the folks who posted a review in 2019 - are they still happy with the game?
I understand exactly what you mean, and like the user above me I don't think it's bitchy at all.
It's actually a very relevant question.

Sometimes when a game first comes out and we discover it we are thrilled by its promise. You like its art and atmosphere, see its potential and give it 5 stars convinced that it will live up to your expectations.
However, times goes by and sometimes it doesn't achieve the high standards you assumed it would. In that case I obviously think lowering your rating is the way to go.
I've never rated this game, but if I were to do it now it would probably deserve around 3.5 stars; since that's not possible, I would be tempted to raise it to 4.
If I had rated it 1.5 years ago I'd definitely have given it 5 stars due to my initial enthusiasm for Shannon. Today if I should analyze the current product in an objective, dispassionate way it's clear for me that it would be far from full points considering art, the little story progression that we got and other technical aspects. There are plenty of devs innovating everyday and raising the bar.

That said, I'm guilty of not putting this into practice myself. There are a couple of games I gave 5 stars to that today have totally disappointed me. Yet I don't feel comfortable lowering my ratings, I can't tell why. Maybe because I feel like I'm betraying that initial enthusiasm or something. It's difficult to explain. In those cases I'll wait until the games are complete to decide my final ratings. The same applies to Unleashed: I'll not rate it until it's finished.
 

CarbonBlue

Developer of Unleashed
Game Developer
Oct 25, 2018
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That did not that did not sign whiny nor bitchy to me.
"This totally free game that I am not paying for is not updating fast enough for me therefore I think the dev should be given lower ratings because I want it faster." Sounds whiny to me. Also sounds like it's again time to leave this thread until the update is out.
 

Walter Victor

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"This totally free game that I am not paying for is not updating fast enough for me therefore I think the dev should be given lower ratings because I want it faster." Sounds whiny to me. Also sounds like it's again time to leave this thread until the update is out.
That sounds like an excellent idea to me.

At the beginning of a game, it's always good for the developer to chime in and answer questions. But after a while the negative aspects of doing that begin to outweigh any benefits to the developer. For your own sanity, it might be wisest for you to forget about F95.
 

Thrill Flares

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Feb 1, 2020
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"This totally free game that I am not paying for is not updating fast enough for me therefore I think the dev should be given lower ratings because I want it faster." Sounds whiny to me. Also sounds like it's again time to leave this thread until the update is out.
you added a little more than what was typed, but I do get your point and respect it.
 

Uriel ☁

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I think the real question is: should reviews be just about the game or should they include the production side as well (update frequency, size, etc.)?

If a review is only about the final product (the game) then it doesn't matter how long it took to create it. A masterpiece is a masterpiece both if it took a month or a decade to make.

Since the review is about the game and not the developer, those shouldn't be a factor.
 

UserNed

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Mar 18, 2019
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First, what a whiny, bitchy post.

Second, what you're talking about is against the rules. You're supposed to judge a game as is, and not "update times, etc." Such reviews tend to get deleted, though there appears to be at least one moderator here who doesn't understand that.
First, I posed a question. I did not whine and have a hard time interpreting my post as bitching. It was a genuine question. If you choose to read it as something else, well, that is on you. My post was literally what I wrote, no subtext, I was just wondering if people were still happy with the game, or games with a similar development cycle. You may be able to tell, since my account is labeled as 'Newbie' that I am not an expert on the topic.

Second, I actually stated that I understood that the reviews were, and could only be, on what was available up to that point in time. There was already a reply from an experienced poster on the forum explaining the topic and expressing faith in CarbonBlue to deliver. I don't see the need for such a defensive reply. In any case, thank you for your posting and good luck with your future efforts.
 

tripod70

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Oct 23, 2020
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"This totally free game that I am not paying for is not updating fast enough for me therefore I think the dev should be given lower ratings because I want it faster." Sounds whiny to me. Also sounds like it's again time to leave this thread until the update is out.
The only thing that I could say to a statement like that is to download DAZ and Renpy and get after it, and just see how fast a single guy can produce some thing. It's not that easy to just pop out graphic content. As a one man band it is even more difficult. I have spent hours just posing a model for a single render, to have to move to the next pose or scene, and do it again. So if it isn't fast enough for you ( Talking about the OP here not Carbon Blue ) Try doing it yourself.
 

mr.AwesomeGameTaste

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Feb 18, 2021
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First, I posed a question. I did not whine and have a hard time interpreting my post as bitching. It was a genuine question. If you choose to read it as something else, well, that is on you. My post was literally what I wrote, no subtext, I was just wondering if people were still happy with the game, or games with a similar development cycle. You may be able to tell, since my account is labeled as 'Newbie' that I am not an expert on the topic.

Second, I actually stated that I understood that the reviews were, and could only be, on what was available up to that point in time. There was already a reply from an experienced poster on the forum explaining the topic and expressing faith in CarbonBlue to deliver. I don't see the need for such a defensive reply. In any case, thank you for your posting and good luck with your future efforts.
I'll try to answer your questions about development cycle based on my experiences,so you can have a better understanding,because posts like yours will be usually met with hostility,even if they are genuine,cause there are a lot of entitled assholes and everyone is tired of them. First of all it's really hard to make something on your own,seriously,it's hard. So take into consideration whether it's a team or a one man.There is inceton games who has like 20 people,and they release big updates every month,and currently have 3 games in development,simply because they have manpower to do so . on the other hand you have people like dr.pink cake who is the dev of being a dik and philly,who is making city of broken dreamers,and no one is expecting an update from them sooner than 4-5 months because that's how long it takes,and they are a full time devs and they make a lot more money than Carbon and most of the others,money is of course another aspect,the more money you have the more you can do,buy better equipment or add licensed music and so on,plus everyone has a life apart drom developing,most have to work irl as well,cause there aren't many who earn enough to go full time,everyone needs some fun and family time,can get sick or whatever. There are ofc milkers,people like come inside dev who makes like 2 wallpapers each month and still have over 1000$,and the last CI update was a year ago,usually if the dev is bullshiting a lot,constantly missing release dates and so on,you can tell he's milking. Hope this little rant was of some help,and if not,oh well at least I killed some time waiting in the line lol.
 

UserNed

Newbie
Mar 18, 2019
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I'll try to answer your questions about development cycle based on my experiences,so you can have a better understanding,because posts like yours will be usually met with hostility,even if they are genuine,cause there are a lot of entitled assholes and everyone is tired of them. First of all it's really hard to make something on your own,seriously,it's hard. So take into consideration whether it's a team or a one man.There is inceton games who has like 20 people,and they release big updates every month,and currently have 3 games in development,simply because they have manpower to do so . on the other hand you have people like dr.pink cake who is the dev of being a dik and philly,who is making city of broken dreamers,and no one is expecting an update from them sooner than 4-5 months because that's how long it takes,and they are a full time devs and they make a lot more money than Carbon and most of the others,money is of course another aspect,the more money you have the more you can do,buy better equipment or add licensed music and so on,plus everyone has a life apart drom developing,most have to work irl as well,cause there aren't many who earn enough to go full time,everyone needs some fun and family time,can get sick or whatever. There are ofc milkers,people like come inside dev who makes like 2 wallpapers each month and still have over 1000$,and the last CI update was a year ago,usually if the dev is bullshiting a lot,constantly missing release dates and so on,you can tell he's milking. Hope this little rant was of some help,and if not,oh well at least I killed some time waiting in the line lol.
Thanks for your insights Mr. Awesome. As should be clear by now, I wasn't trying to dis the dev or devs in general. Your first reply that a reviewer could revisit their review and alter the rating was a most helpful comment. I know it takes time and effort to create a good game and truly do appreciate the great content that is made available.
 

Thrill Flares

Newbie
Feb 1, 2020
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The only thing that I could say to a statement like that is to download DAZ and Renpy and get after it, and just see how fast a single guy can produce some thing. It's not that easy to just pop out graphic content. As a one man band it is even more difficult. I have spent hours just posing a model for a single render, to have to move to the next pose or scene, and do it again. So if it isn't fast enough for you ( Talking about the OP here not Carbon Blue ) Try doing it yourself.
Carbon was not even quoting someone properly. He misinterpreted a questio and then made it out to be a "whiny bitchy comment" and I called him out for it. Then he did that misquote. the said question was not whiny nor bitchy. Carbon reacted wrongly cause he is to used to people bitching and complaining while he works on the game by himself. So pressure and the fact that he is used to whiny bitchy comments he misunderstood and freaked out. Which is understandable with how toxic some people can be in the forums.
 

Walter Victor

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Occasional Gothic Shannon

One of the things that is necessary when creating with Daz3d is experimentation. I try to devote an hour to just playing around with different looks on different figures every few days or so.

Today that turned into gothic Shannon, lol.


EDIT: Actually that looks like everyday Shannon to me. :)
 

mr.AwesomeGameTaste

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Occasional Gothic Shannon

One of the things that is necessary when creating with Daz3d is experimentation. I try to devote an hour to just playing around with different looks on different figures every few days or so.

Today that turned into gothic Shannon, lol.


EDIT: Actually that looks like everyday Shannon to me. :)
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Kalsan

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The only thing that I could say to a statement like that is to download DAZ and Renpy and get after it, and just see how fast a single guy can produce some thing. It's not that easy to just pop out graphic content. As a one man band it is even more difficult. I have spent hours just posing a model for a single render, to have to move to the next pose or scene, and do it again. So if it isn't fast enough for you ( Talking about the OP here not Carbon Blue ) Try doing it yourself.
I think those kinds of "if you don't like something try to do it yourself" arguments don't make any sense. It is clear that it is difficult and time consuming, but other developers with less support manage to find a balance between quality / quantity / time between updates. Your argument is meaningless when there are dozens of developers releasing the same amount of content in a week, all with less financial support and popularity. Seeing that, it is not surprising that they accuse the developer of milking his fans, especially when the practice seems to be starting to become popular with a good number of developers.
 
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