Wtf, I just found this game and I just passed the prologue and I'm already in love!!!
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You just set yourself up for disappointment lol this game is abandoned.
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You can still love the time you get with Astrid. I remember her adventure fondly. But you're right: you should be ready to have it all end suddenly.
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"Here, kitty, kitty. Come licky-licky...."
sadly you are wrong
if someone would attempt it they need the original data
and they can only get it from the OG dev
since DRG is dead or missing or uninterested to continue
it is not very likely
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You don't need original data to create a new game. It would take time, but as much fan art that I see, on a regular basis, new art could be created, and if not exact, it could at least be close to it. I am sure most people would support it. I know I would.
The original data would only be needed if they were to pick this project up from where it was left off, and honestly, if I were to start from scratch, I would just make it in Ren'Py. Sadly, I don't have the patience to spend hours on end learning the process. I've attempted. It's time consuming lol.
Two nice pussies....
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I am confident that most people would not. And even if most people did, I am confident that, unless the new developer were a seasoned game developer who has done this before and has at least one completed game under his or her belt, the project would be abandoned again.
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Why do you think people would not support a remake, that was started from scratch? Personally, even if the art were half-ass decent, I would definitely play it, and enjoy it. Same story...same or at least similar art...I'm not sure I understand why that wouldn't be supported. Are people that picky where it would have to be exact, or nothing?
As far as the chance for abandonment, we could only predict whether that would happen or not. We can go off of stats, but then that means literally every new game, from every new developer, has those same odds of abandonment. Lack of support, loss of inspiration, or numerous other reasons...
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Perhaps, although to be fair, there are glaring examples of this type of thing. How many Big Brother knock-offs are there that go nowhere and are ditched? It seems to be a much higher chance for anything that's effectively a copy but technically someone else's own story. If the models are basically the same, the characters are basically the same, and the story is basically the same, is there much inspiration to complete a project that probably subconsciously doesn't feel like it's your own?
I'm not saying it couldn't work, but there isn't even an average track record for this type of thing. Perhaps the chances of succeeding are greater if you're already established decently as a developer yourself. For instance, after getting approval from the original game's developer, Blackheart Games is creating a rework of The Personal Assistant, which got abandoned by JL Creation. If he not only completes it but also succeeds with it, maybe others can look at his determination and get inspired. It's hard to say.
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It probably depends on how popular the game and/or developer were/are. There are definitely a lot of possible variables, but I feel as if Astrid was popular and loved enough that it may work. As an artist, myself, I can understand not feeling like it's my own, but if I knew how to develop a game myself, I loved this game enough that I would likely just develop and complete it in entirety, then release a finished product. It may take a while, but it would keep me busy. lol
But, that's just me. Each person is different.
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I'll explain to you my reasons.
The only reason why we even want to see this game finished or restarted is because it was so much better than most of the other games in the independent adult game market. And that was because of DRG. It wasn't just because we liked the Daz character model for Astrid. DRG was a better than average game developer (far better than average), and a decent storyteller. And many of us liked the direction in which the story was headed. But only DRG knew what was supposed to happen next, and how events were supposed to unfold. If the story isn't the same, and the game mechanics aren't the same, and the locations aren't the same, and the characters aren't the same, and the developer isn't the same, then who are you trying to appeal to with this remake?
Is it for fans of DRG's work? No. Is it for fans of the original story? No. Is it for fans of Astrid? Well, not really, because she wouldn't be the same character if she was being written by a different author and appearing in a completely different story. So who would this remake be for, and why would they support it?
In the case of a game being taken over by a new developer, I would say that the chances of the project being abandoned are higher than for a new project which is not a remake. I can't prove that, of course, because it would be difficult to set up a study which controlled for the other variables. But I'll explain why I think that a remake by someone other than the original developer is more likely to be abandoned.
For one thing, most of the people who would be interested in taking over someone else's abandoned project will be fans of that project. And, in most of their cases, they won't be experienced developers, experienced writers, or experienced visual artists. They will just be fans of the game who want to see it completed. Most people who aren't developers have no conception of what is really involved in developing a game. They will need to learn how to render (or draw or paint), if they don't know already. They will need to learn an engine, like RPGM or Ren'Py or Unity or Unreal. They will need to do creative writing. And they will need to do all of these things at the same time. And, if they aren't thieves, they will have to pay out a lot of money from their own pockets for digital assets. And they have no guarantee of how much support they will get. And they will have to face criticism from the other fans of the game, insults from the trolls, complaints about the speed of development from freeloaders who don't even support them, and more, and more, and more. They will be jumping into the pool at the deep end, and it wasn't even their project, to begin with.
Why would anyone take on all of that work and trouble, and spend so much of their precious free time, to develop a game and tell a story which isn't even their own idea? People are more likely to burn out, and more quickly, when they are chasing someone else's dream, instead of their own. If they really want to be an adult game developer, and if they really believe that they have what it takes to succeed, why wouldn't they just start a new game of their own, with their own characters, telling their own story?
Yes, it's true that developers who are working on their own projects often abandon those projects. F95 is packed with abandoned games, such as this one. But many other developers finish the race and complete their projects. But I have never yet seen a single case where a fan of a game tried to relaunch the game and then completed it. Every single relaunch by a fan which I have ever seen has been abandoned, and usually more quickly than the original was abandoned.
But, hey, if you want to take on this project yourself, maybe you can prove me wrong.
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What I don't understand out of all of that is, if the developer was the only one who knew what he/she was gonna write next, meaning none of us knew, then how would it be any different if someone else were to just make something up and write it, as long as the material was good? To me, it would be just the same. I don't know what is coming next. I wouldn't know if the developer wrote it, or if the devs mom wrote it, or if the devs little brother wrote it. It wouldn't matter, because if it were good material, I wouldn't care to question who wrote it. And assuming the original developer is the only person who can write is pretty bold. Of course, you would have to find someone who could write well, while also caring enough to finish the project.
As far as me developing ANY game, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before (maybe in another thread...they all run together, and I forget easily which thread I'm on sometimes lol), I don't know jack shit about programming games, and have dabbled with both Ren'Py and RPGM before, and quickly gave up just due to realizing how much goes into just that part. But, if I knew how to do it myself, I likely would just start a project, complete it, regardless how long it took me, and just release the finished product for all to judge. Pass or fail, I'd decide from there if I cared enough to truly go further with it.
But, as far as more people finishing an already started story...look at Star Wars. I know, it's in multiple different "episodes" or "chapters" or whatever...but that many people all writing pretty much the same continuous story...even though a lot of it was written off as non-canon, people still enjoyed it. I know I did. I bought a couple books and had them signed by the writers. lol
Yeah..this is porn games. It's different, I guess.
The thing is. There are 2 component/ One is the artwork. And the dude or duda that is posting arwork here, is doing a hell of a good job reinventing Astrid. The other one is the story. And both here are part of why Astrid and her story is so popilar. There are other games with MC's that have been reinvented. Usually the new Dev recreates the existend. so far so good. After that it is going to be standaard porn. ther harder the faster the better. storyline is usuallu Bo i am not. yeah you ganna. letd fuck. something like that Or just go extreme with loss of any sense of probable reality. You can find games that go from zero eo lightspeed in a few xonversations. That is not what will resurrect Astrid. it rather kills her. Her fanbase is ther for a reason.
So yes there should be enough people that could do this. But who is capable of satisfying this fanbase?
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Simply most people are naturally prejudiced. No matter the quality of the product, if it's not from the original creator, they won't like it. If DRG released something new under a new name, people would say it's not as good as DRG. At this stage, I even think that if DRG came back, people would still say the new is not as good as the old and they lost their touch.
Personally I'd love a continuation or restart (by anyone), but happy to let it lie just the same.
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And this is why Metallica can put out a new thrash album, with less than perfect production, and fans will hate on them, but they can put out a new album with great production and get hated on, or put out whatever sound with whatever production and still get hated on...all because of the success of the black album. lol
Yes, you do have a point. This is however not omly about prejudice. I assume you have played this game. Then you will have experienced the quality of the story and every sidestory. Of course there are always people that are never satisfied. An i agree if DRG would come back it will peobably be different. After all he is human, and humans tend to grow mentally one way or the other. Still i believe not every dev will be capable of resurecting Astrid. If it will be done, i am of course here to follow it.