Ren'Py Abandoned What's Mine Is Yours [v0.2.0 Remake] [VitalSigns]

[T51bwinterized]

You have played the game right? The sex scenes aren't just the vapid pointless "sexy time" payoff you get at the end. The sex scenes are as important if not more so when it comes to character development. I try to hide what is going on but through the sex scenes alone you learn about the characters sexuality. However, I've worked very hard to adhere to hide these revelations. Sure, I could have had Molly simply say that she likes being cuckolded and that she wants her husband to cheat on her, or I can show that by having her masturbating to the fantasy of that happening. Not only is it more enjoyable to watch, but it is also far more effective than if I had just had Molly say it but never really act on it to demonstrate that it turns her on. In other words: "show don't tell."

At first I wasn't really trying to do something in paricular, I simply wrote a plausible development, but looking back, never telling the reader outright what I am trying to convey to them but instead showing them being turned on and/or fantasizing about something was probably a smarter way to do it. Which is why that method never changed in season 2, what looks like simple sex scenes is actually moments where the plot is most focused on character building through subtle hints and variations in actions.

I want people to learn about my characters based on their actions rather than me telling them.

I like this statement. There's a lot of value to it. But, it's also about setting up situations where people can display charachter via action. This is part of why "they talk about it, everyone agrees, sex happens, arc complete" format is weak. That kind of format gives characters less means of showing themselves and developing outside of direct explanation. Dialogue can often be used as a way to show, rather then tell, but in such cases it's normally through reluctance, disagreement, excitement, and difference of perspective.

Notes on new content:
-Low opinion on Anal Girl. She shows up, has situation explained, indulges in her kink, easy peasy.
- Medium opinion on the blind girl. She's more interesting personally and in kink then the anal girl. Also the element with her sister adds an extra dimension to it. But, it suffers the same "she learns about the dynamic, indulges, arc complete" issue as others.
- Highest opinion of the white haired girl, and in particular her scene with Molly. Molly failed to communicate with her, and she wound up feeling hurt by it. I like that miscommunication, but miscommunication is still a weaker inter-personal conflict then genuine disagreement on perspective. My main request there is that the sollution not be *easy*. If she just decides to overcome her shame/sense of being judged then it ruins the good setup. The best way to resolve it is with action or escalation. Either the protagonist making a choice to engage with her, or some event happening that makes the situation come to head.
- Side note about the white haired girl. This might be a good spot for some internal conflict for the protaganist. Being a father is part of his identity, so adapting it sexually might be harder for him then other sexual aspects.
- I'm mixed on the scene with the girls all meeting up. I like the idea of a group dynamic being explored. But, the problem is that the group dynamic is stable, everyone is perfectly content with it, and no one has any disagreements with each other. It seems natural to me that some of the girls might have alternative visions of what the harem might look like (how many members, who leads it, how strict is it) etc. Still, it's a good avenue to explore.

 

[KnowNoHope]

the more popular known games like corrupted kingdoms and and HS tutor/Solvalley School use almost the same music in their H scenes if I recall and it works really well. some people prefer moaning sounds and alike, if it's done properly and different enough for each female then ofc. these music tracks just really set the mood in a very high quality way. I can only speak for myself, but for a game that has such smooth animations, to not have sounds or music... I just wish it had at least one of these.

The reason why they all use the same music is because its free to use, no royalties have to be paid, they wont get a lawsuit for it being in the game. There really isn't a massive collection of music like this.

 

[KnowNoHope]

- I'm mixed on the scene with the girls all meeting up. I like the idea of a group dynamic being explored. But, the problem is that the group dynamic is stable, everyone is perfectly content with it, and no one has any disagreements with each other. It seems natural to me that some of the girls might have alternative visions of what the harem might look like (how many members, who leads it, how strict is it) etc. Still, it's a good avenue to explore.

This story is never going to develop any complexity to the plot like you are suggesting from what the dev has kindly told us about, we get cool characters with cool personalities but it's not really going to develop from there, from what it sounds like, meaning no major conflicts or an arcing story line. It will just have a happily ever after harem ending I guess

 

[T51bwinterized]

There is a space between "no major over-arching conflict" and "no inter-character tension"

 

[T51bwinterized]

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Royalty Free music for games. Easy peasy.

Your game actually is non-profit (you don't have any kind of marketplace) so that widens your options. You can actually use a wider variety of music. But, someone might try to sue you for re-use, so better to just stick to Royalty Free music. Plus it lets you distribute the game on patreon at a later date if you so desire without running into any liscencing issues.

The key legal distinction is between work for profit and hobby work. Though owners of a specific IP can protect their IP in most settings regardless of wether profit was made.

None of this is actually that scary through. The only real legal action that H-game devs mostly find are either suits from specific other H-creators alleging theft or cease and dessist letters. C&D letters are scary, but don't have immediate consequences. Provided you respond to a C&D by abiding by the request, the other party will almost never sue you. It's also hard to sue for IP use without a C&D.

 

[KnowNoHope]

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Royalty Free music for games. Easy peasy.

Your game actually is non-profit (you don't have any kind of marketplace) so that widens your options. You can actually use a wider variety of music. But, someone might try to sue you for re-use, so better to just stick to Royalty Free music. Plus it lets you distribute the game on patreon at a later date if you so desire without running into any liscencing issues.

The key legal distinction is between work for profit and hobby work. Though owners of a specific IP can protect their IP in most settings regardless of wether profit was made.

None of this is actually that scary through. The only real legal action that H-game devs mostly find are either suits from specific other H-creators alleging theft or cease and dessist letters. C&D letters are scary, but don't have immediate consequences. Provided you respond to a C&D by abiding by the request, the other party will almost never sue you. It's also hard to sue for IP use without a C&D.

It's not really non profit if you have a patreon, you are literally making money off it at that point and thus you are subject to legal action. Do keep that in mind. While I haven't seen a patreon link yet in the thread, If the Dev ever does it will be a problem

Yeah, you're out.
Two people, three pages, five sources saying you're wrong, but you're out 'because it's 2+2 = 5'.
I did not invite you to my comment. I did not throw myself under OP's Bus.
I did not ask for comment.
But you're out. Because you're wrong. Admit it.
People complaining about the 'amount of grammar', please see my three line comment mention three lines of errors, and then follow the thread.
Edit: Also Ozel went back through and deleted their replies, but you can see how many times I replied to them, but their reply is now 'missing'...

Yeah but you replied to each one, even if he deletes his post anyone can go back and read it.
I only commented in on it because of the 2+2=5 comment which was not only wrong considering his oppionion was the 2+2=5 one, it was also rude. I really do wish for that discussion to end like I think most people do, please stop trying to drag it out more.

 

[T51bwinterized]

It's not really non profit if you have a patreon, you are literally making money off it at that point and thus you are subject to legal action. Do keep that in mind. While I haven't seen a patreon link yet in the thread, If the Dev ever does it will be a problem

Yeah but you replied to each one, even if he deletes his post anyone can go back and read it.
I only commented in on it because of the 2+2=5 comment which was not only wrong considering his oppionion was the 2+2=5 one, it was also rude. I really do wish for that discussion to end like I think most people do, please stop trying to drag it out more.

You are correct. If someone ever makes a Patreon, Subscribestar, or even attaches a Paypal Link, then it ceases to be a non-commercial project. The rules for commercial vs non-commercial products are diffrent. In general, i advise following the commercial standard over the non-commercial, just because it's safer and allows more flexible options.

 

[Zellio]

What kind of music even goes with H scenes?

Guiles theme or BFG Division

 

[KnowNoHope]

Guiles theme or BFG Division

might as well do the pillar men theme, get a trio of delinquent girls that do poses

 

[kayot]

I'm still enjoying the story. Music or not, doesn't seem to matter. Not a fan of voice acting or delayed text. I turn voices off, and set text speed to max with other games. I'm happy this game starts out with those settings.

Lisa's rejection made my heart hurt a little. Her fantasy is pretty crazy and Molly didn't see it coming. What will Ashley's fantasy do to Molly? The MC is starting to go down that path with the conclusion of the dual scene between Emily and Lauren.

I don't see an issue with the group meeting. If anything it helps the girls build a support network. Knowing that other people are involved vs meeting those involved people can be night and day. It's also the only time we see the majority of the cast. The individual scenarios tend to stick with the compatible people for that section. Having commentary from unrelated characters feels more natural. Like the shower scene where Emily asks Chelsey a question. Karen gets annoyed that she wasn't asked only for the other characters to point out that her experiences may be skewed by her kinks. I can't help wonder if Karen is getting ideas since it could be painful.

That said, looking forward to 0.8. and hoping this game becomes a massive series.

 

[Gutsandguts]

Okay wow I just played the first part and this game is incredible, I didn't know a cuckquean game was the experience I needed.

I've gotten so tired of NTR games where it's just a generic beta male cuck who hides and beats off while his partner fucks someone else, they always feel like the same shit it's always some lame scrawny brown haired guy with a tiny dick.

But with this game, it's actually kind of a fun story between a cool couple and it's nice that Molly is so in to it instead of just being a sad beta bitch. I've honestly never understood the appeal of that, are you meant to self insert as the MC or the people fucking his wife/gf? This flows much better for me anyway because it's actually kind of hot watching Molly strum herself off to MC fucking these girls, instead of some dude beating his tiny member.

The animations add a lot of character to the scenes too, they're simple but it's far nicer than just stills.


As for complaints all I can really think of is I'd like more creampie shots I guess, it's nice to have that visual instead of just taking the characters word for it when they say they shot it all inside.

Aside from that I felt as though the story progressed pretty rapidly I was expecting a bit more buildup to the first fuck but I guess you could say the animal inside the MC took over, it's not a huge issue or anything.




What's the plan for S2 content? I'm sure there'll be some anal whores in class which will suit me. Maybe it's a bit "Out there" for this game but I'd also like to see some futa DP action. I feel like it'd be odd to include another male character randomly so giving one of the girls a dick would be a happy medium. Which could create some story tension if they want to fuck Molly maybe.

Otherwise I'm not sure there'd be enough variety between like 9 girls or whatever to be all that interesting unless it gets in to some really out there fetishes.

Not sure I'll try S2 before it's completed since S1 was a nice complete package but damn I can't wait to see where it goes. It's nice to have a cuck game where the story isn't a miserable tale for once.

I do hope this starts a trend. Watching a woman get off over cheating is far more hot than some pathetic dude.

 

[Heretic057]

S1 was pretty decent, interesting concept, ccuckqueen....huh...okay...the different girls, not that bad, kinetic novel format is alright, like to see someone else take a stab at something similar where the MC has more choice, but hey, that's me. This is fine as is.
As for music....I'm thinking some classic rock, though for sex scenes, maybe get some swankier stuff. Nice thing about lack of music in game: build ya own soundtrack!
As for S2....feels like the dev is struggling. Adding all these new girls, trying to balance the old ones....What was Anal girl's name, Rena? When the MC went at her, until he mentioned WHILE HE WAS IN HER that the lube was drying up, no clue he was anything but going in dry....I guess we are just supposed to expect that anal sex means guy is already lubed even though it is never mentioned beforehand...Then you got Lauren....the exhibitionist's sister who is blind.....Dude....did you even do any research on people who are blind? I got a friend who's uncle is blind....you know that they actually teach kids who lose their vision how to take care of themselves? Why you write her up almost as an invalid?! Bitch move! Ain't got much to say about the other two new girls. Having a sister who has never wanted kids though, I would question that girls thinking, but I also know that some women are taught that's the right mind frame. It's bullshit, but fuck it. As for that Lisa....yeah...gonna be a damn hard sell to a guy who's already been a hard sell on his wife's Cuckqueen shit, and has an 8yo daughter.

 

[KnowNoHope]

S1 was pretty decent, interesting concept, ccuckqueen....huh...okay...the different girls, not that bad, kinetic novel format is alright, like to see someone else take a stab at something similar where the MC has more choice, but hey, that's me. This is fine as is.
As for music....I'm thinking some classic rock, though for sex scenes, maybe get some swankier stuff. Nice thing about lack of music in game: build ya own soundtrack!
As for S2....feels like the dev is struggling. Adding all these new girls, trying to balance the old ones....What was Anal girl's name, Rena? When the MC went at her, until he mentioned WHILE HE WAS IN HER that the lube was drying up, no clue he was anything but going in dry....I guess we are just supposed to expect that anal sex means guy is already lubed even though it is never mentioned beforehand...Then you got Lauren....the exhibitionist's sister who is blind.....Dude....did you even do any research on people who are blind? I got a friend who's uncle is blind....you know that they actually teach kids who lose their vision how to take care of themselves? Why you write her up almost as an invalid?! Bitch move! Ain't got much to say about the other two new girls. Having a sister who has never wanted kids though, I would question that girls thinking, but I also know that some women are taught that's the right mind frame. It's bullshit, but fuck it. As for that Lisa....yeah...gonna be a damn hard sell to a guy who's already been a hard sell on his wife's Cuckqueen shit, and has an 8yo daughter.

well the blind girls fetish is sense deprivation and being restrained by that rubber suit (its hard to move in those) I just took her dead fish posturing as part of her enjoyment.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

S1 was pretty decent, interesting concept, ccuckqueen....huh...okay...the different girls, not that bad, kinetic novel format is alright, like to see someone else take a stab at something similar where the MC has more choice, but hey, that's me. This is fine as is.
As for music....I'm thinking some classic rock, though for sex scenes, maybe get some swankier stuff. Nice thing about lack of music in game: build ya own soundtrack!
As for S2....feels like the dev is struggling. Adding all these new girls, trying to balance the old ones....What was Anal girl's name, Rena? When the MC went at her, until he mentioned WHILE HE WAS IN HER that the lube was drying up, no clue he was anything but going in dry....I guess we are just supposed to expect that anal sex means guy is already lubed even though it is never mentioned beforehand...Then you got Lauren....the exhibitionist's sister who is blind.....Dude....did you even do any research on people who are blind? I got a friend who's uncle is blind....you know that they actually teach kids who lose their vision how to take care of themselves? Why you write her up almost as an invalid?! Bitch move! Ain't got much to say about the other two new girls. Having a sister who has never wanted kids though, I would question that girls thinking, but I also know that some women are taught that's the right mind frame. It's bullshit, but fuck it. As for that Lisa....yeah...gonna be a damn hard sell to a guy who's already been a hard sell on his wife's Cuckqueen shit, and has an 8yo daughter.

You base your blind person knowledge on one person and you attacking someone else for not researching
If you took 5 minutes to calm down before you posted maybe it would feel more like a critic than trolling. That said phrases like "bitch move" are really that itself imo

 

[KnowNoHope]

You base your blind person knowledge on one person and you attacking someone else for not researching
If you took 5 minutes to calm down before you posted maybe it would feel more like a critic than trolling. That said phrases like "bitch move" are really that itself imo

hey now keep the discussion on what is essentially free porn civil please

 

[Spfjolietjake]

hey now keep the discussion on what is essentially free porn civil please

That was my point exactly.

 

[KnowNoHope]

That was my point exactly.

I guess fair enough
He seemed more disgruntled and critical rather than insulting or making a personal attack to me though

 

[Spfjolietjake]

I guess fair enough
He seemed more disgruntled and critical rather than insulting or making a personal attack to me though

Seemed more angry to me, but "bitch move" definitely shouldn't be used imo. "Ill informed" or " grossly mistaken" would have been less confrontational ways to get the same point across.

Even if i don't agree with others opinions I always welcome them unless they seem trollish. Sorry if i seemed heavy handed back just trying to show the words effects.

 

[molitar]

Yeah it's nice to see a Netorase (NTRS) for a change where it's all voluntary and wanted by the partner. It's like half swinging she has no interest in sleeping with another man but wants to see her husband sleep with other girls.

 

[ChaosOpen]

Yeah it's nice to see a Netorase (NTRS) for a change where it's all voluntary and wanted by the partner. It's like half swinging she has no interest in sleeping with another man but wants to see her husband sleep with other girls.

I figured it would be safe to write it like that because it honestly makes more sense. A cuck is pretty much a sub role, and it would be like if someone handed you a spanking paddle one night and told you they liked to be spanked during sex, you agree to it, give them a few light whacks then figure that's just how it is. However, out of nowhere they insist that since you spanked them it's only fair that they play the dom a few nights and then thereafter they insisted on tying you up and sticking a dildo up your butt, forcing you to play sub the entire time.

Another thing about Molly, she isn't stupid, you don't just wake up and suddenly you like watching your partner cheat on you. Molly has had that fantasy for awhile, she just never really understood it, pushing it to the back of her mind whenever it came up thinking it's just a deviant thought or something. However, over the years it built up until she simply couldn't take it and decided to talk it out with the person she trusted most to try and find some solution. Only then was she told that it was... well "normal" is a strong word, but it is at least known.

How strange would it be for them to suddenly switch? She had fantasies about her husband cheating on her for over a decade then he sleeps with another person once then she decides that from now on she is going to cuckold him instead and sleep with all of the men she can from now on. Just kinda begs the thought "didn't you fantasize about the complete opposite of what you're doing now?"

Molly wants to be cuckolded, and the MC hesitantly agrees. It makes no sense for her to then start cuckolding the MC and the MC to allow it to the point where their marriage begins to fall apart in their quest for thrills. Though, that is basically the plot of Mayumi's Cuckolding Report where the wife was trying to trick her husband into letting her sleep with other men, and I have no idea which is dumber, her thinking that would work or him actually falling for it.