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actually, a couple of days ago it was marked as abandoned. then the dev intervened, and tag was quickly removed. i wonder how he avoided onhold tag. also, some time ago one negative review of his other game (summer's gone) appeared. it was removed in the blink of an eye. not all games (devs) have the same treatment here at f95
- Jun 5, 2017
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That's definitely truth. I've been victim of that two times. I don't know if 5 minutes passed since i published it (not for SG. for some other game) and it was gone. One I was able to restore, cause one of the mods said he deleted it "by mistake", but second time no - they just won't allow negative word for some games, despite review being completely legit. Also, just look what kind of rubbish five star reviews they're allowing for those games...also, some time ago one negative review of his other game (summer's gone) appeared. it was removed in the blink of an eye. not all games (devs) have the same treatment here at f95
Speaking of this game, definitely should be marked as onhold. If I remember correctly, remake of this game was scheduled for september/october last year or something like that...
- Jul 16, 2019
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Why does it matter that the developer is active (with another game)? If he haven’t done anything with this game in years, it is abandoned. Simple as that.
- Feb 22, 2019
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He's been showing update posts about it for the last couple months, and another one is coming soon.
It's not even on-hold. He has two PCs, one for each game, which means he works on both at the same time.
Just because the game hasn't been updated in 1+ years doesn't mean it's abandoned.
It's not even on-hold. He has two PCs, one for each game, which means he works on both at the same time.
Just because the game hasn't been updated in 1+ years doesn't mean it's abandoned.
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- Apr 30, 2020
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this game might as well be abandoned, 2 games at once is obviously too much....
- Nov 20, 2019
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i know that it's up to dev to handle abandoned/onhold tags. some devs put onhold tag when they're reworking/rebooting their games, some not. to me that's the matter of honesty and trust. considering that wiab is going to get not cosmetic changes only, but also completely reworked story, imho that won't be the same game anymore. that totally deserves abandoned or onhold tag. if dev goes with abandoned, then he starts new thread when the rework is done. this was already addressed by Osider in this post:
https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-v0-6-full-oceanlab.19856/post-6416458
to me it's not important if the dev is "active", but what's goin' on with the game.
as of solid proof of biased actions of f95's moderators, you can check this reply to my post, for the beginning.
https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-v0-6-full-oceanlab.19856/post-6418848
i'll work on solid proof, and as soon as i find one i'll give you a note.
Because:
- It's demonstrably false that the developer hasn't done anything with this game in years
- The developer has personally been active here and with status updates within the last few months
- That's how the abandoned tag is defined here by this site.
- Sep 28, 2018
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The game isn't abandoned. Why this is taking so long to update has been discussed at length earlier in the thread, even a few pages ago.
TLDR is:
1- He is working on 2 games.
2- He is reworking this one.
3- He is a bigtime perfectionist.
I do think whenever the rework is complete, this thread should be tagged as abandoned and a new thread should be made though.
TLDR is:
1- He is working on 2 games.
2- He is reworking this one.
3- He is a bigtime perfectionist.
I do think whenever the rework is complete, this thread should be tagged as abandoned and a new thread should be made though.
- Oct 22, 2017
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To get a fresh start without the drama and butthurt posts from some dirty pirates ages - well reading the last pages not so long - ago?
Count me in!
this game has been silent for a year and for some reason i just found Ocean is (maybe) working in some scanlation group for manhwa(korean comic) and promoting his other game, summer gone, here's the
I don't know if it was legit Ocean or just someone affiliated with him, but it's really infuriating to see that shit. it's not that he isn't allowed to do other things in his life, but when you just up and left your responsibility (aka this game) and only to reappear for promoting your other shit in an unrelated media while this one still has nothing just seems to be really disrespectful to those who fork over their money to support you.
and having reason such as "rework" because he's a "perfectionist" for a repeated long period of nothing of the game is something that's unacceptable in my opinion, i understand artist has their own vision and ideal , but there's no such a thing as a perfect artwork, only a finished one; and no matter how bad a finished artwork is, it's always a perfect one because it's the one that's finished
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, look at the very bottomI don't know if it was legit Ocean or just someone affiliated with him, but it's really infuriating to see that shit. it's not that he isn't allowed to do other things in his life, but when you just up and left your responsibility (aka this game) and only to reappear for promoting your other shit in an unrelated media while this one still has nothing just seems to be really disrespectful to those who fork over their money to support you.
and having reason such as "rework" because he's a "perfectionist" for a repeated long period of nothing of the game is something that's unacceptable in my opinion, i understand artist has their own vision and ideal , but there's no such a thing as a perfect artwork, only a finished one; and no matter how bad a finished artwork is, it's always a perfect one because it's the one that's finished
He never hid that he was working on another project. I would be suprise if any of his Patreon didn't know that and them supporting him mean they are fine with that. If they didn't know, they should have look up a little more on people they invest their money on.
It really shows what kind of person a dev is when they start making a new game before the current one is finished. All it says to me is that he'll never finish any of his games and that it's a waste of time to play them.
Don't want to be pessimistic, but game without an ending is kind of part of the experience here. We need to remind ourselves that we play thing in development after all. Most game will never have an ending and if they got one, will probably be rushed and disappointing( to be polite ). I don't really mind because I lose my interest in games before the dev does most of the time.
- Apr 12, 2021
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I am quite surprized that either of his games have any patreons. 300+ Patreons at $1800+ a month? What is it these people are paying for, hopes and dreams?
- Aug 22, 2018
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Potential.
The problem with both games is they are good. Both the story writing and the characters. Where it all Began has some really good moments that instantly turn a hated character into a sympathetic one.
It's a problem because the dev is so .. damn .. slow.
I can't say whether or not either game will ever get finished. I don't know the dev nor do I know what he has going on. I know i've never bought the "he's a perfectionist" excuse, I rate that along with "my dog ate my homework" as one of those lazy bullshit excuses when you can't think of anything else. I hate it as an excuse for slow development, I hate it so much.
That excuse aside both games have always had quite large updates and the quality is high so I won't complain about the speed they come out.
People back him for that quality and what they could eventually be. Both have the potential to be amongst the best games to come through F95.
Let's not fool ourselves. Those are just excuses.No one is forcing Oceanlab at gunpoint to make both games.
It's his decision. Each game has it's patreon page, so he's getting $ to make both of them.
The only difference is one game's had updates, while the other is stuck in rework limbo.
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- Nov 30, 2020
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Exactly this. This one had a good start and while a rework to some of the story would be good I don't think it was desperately needed. Meanwhile Summers Gone has a lot of hype around it, Its a solid game on its own and I look forward to its updates. But I also looked forward to this ones updates.
I just hope Ocean doesnt fall into the "Make 1 game for a bit, Lose interest and start another project/Patreon"
- May 9, 2019
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The complain about making money from both games is irrelevant. You get both games supporting only one. So what is the big deal about separating in two?
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