VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[Uriel ☁]

Yes, but torrenting is even worse here! As I wrote in a HS thread, in Germany using a torrent makes the legal offence greater. Which is a reason why I will never touch a torrent, wait for the public versions here on F95 games and buy hard to come by stuff (e.g. AIS), even if it is more expensive. In Germany and a couple other nations torrents are not worth the risk, never IMHO.

With those prices it would still be cheaper to go somewhere else in Europe and download it from there lol.

 

[Turret]

With those prices it would still be cheaper to go somewhere else in Europe and download it from there lol.

I see your point, but in some cases buying the games is support/patronage for stuff I like and want to support and others you have to wait for sales which helps too.

 

[drooopy]

It's actually very hard to lie, because you wouldn't be able to show the original work or reproduce the work being done in DAZ or Blender. If they are going to the trouble of suing you, they won't just take your word for it and you'll have to show the proof.

lol, he can lie & say he lost the files or that he deleted them, very easy to do, it's his right to delete anything he wants from his pc, it took too much memory space so he deleted it.

 

[Razrback16]

in Germany using a torrent makes the legal offence greater.

Are you guys allowed to run a VPN over there?

 

[Turret]

Are you guys allowed to run a VPN over there?

VPN is allowed in Germany and guess who has one for general security.
But to give a bit of insight in the legal sutff, there are different level of offence and danger. It is no problem to download public versions or stuff where major copyright already cheased (e.g. the old Basil Rathbone Holmes movies was such a case), it is let us say "slightly problematic" with stuff you download, but are unlikely to get sued for from the rights holder. Downloaded via "normal" download, this is a grey legal area and rarely you get into court for it, mainly due to getting caught in relation/due to some bigger fish busted. Chances are still ok that you get off with a blue eye, if you did not totally overdo it.
Hot Iron stuff are downloads of current movies, AAA games and such, where companies and rights holder are actively sueing even the small fishes and Joe/Jane Average. then you are in really hot water and unlikely to escape justice.

The "game" changes when you did download with a torrent, because torrent use makes you an active product pirate in the eyes of the law. Normal "standard" download via e.g. Mega or so, has many shades of grey legally speaking in Germany, depending very much on several things, which makes sentences from nothing to jail possible. Very situational, but torrent use makes you toast.

That is it in a compressed nutshell

 

[Razrback16]

VPN is allowed in Germany and guess who has one for general security.
But to give a bit of insight in the legal sutff, there are different level of offence and danger. It is no problem to download public versions or stuff where major copyright already cheased (e.g. the old Basil Rathbone Holmes movies was such a case), it is let us say "slightly problematic" with stuff you download, but are unlikely to get sued for from the rights holder. Downloaded via "normal" download, this is a grey legal area and rarely you get into court for it, mainly due to getting caught in relation/due to some bigger fish busted. Chances are still ok that you get off with a blue eye, if you did not totally overdo it.
Hot Iron stuff are downloads of current movies, AAA games and such, where companies and rights holder are actively sueing even the small fishes and Joe/Jane Average. then you are in really hot water and unlikely to escape justice.

The "game" changes when you did download with a torrent, because torrent use makes you an active product pirate in the eyes of the law. Normal "standard" download via e.g. Mega or so, has many shades of grey legally speaking in Germany, depending very much on several things, which makes sentences from nothing to jail possible. Very situational, but torrent use makes you toast.

That is it in a compressed nutshell

Wow, incredibly harsh penalties. I'd be running a VPN with my torrenting (already do and I live in a far more legally lenient country) and more likely looking to finding a job and citizenship in another country.
The good thing with most VPNs today is they have kill switches on them that will cut the internet altogether to the machine if the VPN drops unexpectedly.
Sorry to hear you guys have to deal with this.

 

[Turret]

Wow, incredibly harsh penalties. I'd be running a VPN with my torrenting (already do and I live in a far more legally lenient country) and more likely looking to finding a job and citizenship in another country.
The good thing with most VPNs today is they have kill switches on them that will cut the internet altogether to the machine if the VPN drops unexpectedly.
Sorry to hear you guys have to deal with this.

Thanks for your feelings! The situation is not quite as harsh as it might seem, but as I wrote above, the specific situation and several "switches" matter. Germany is not even the harshest nation when it comes to torrents, but it is a major legal switch.

 

[Cabin Fever]

lol, he can lie & say he lost the files or that he deleted them, very easy to do, it's his right to delete anything he wants from his pc, it took too much memory space so he deleted it.

And he'll be asked to repeat the process again to show that he could actually do it.

You honestly have no idea how easy it is to bust someone lying like that.

 

[Lorenz1]

Miri looks incredible.

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[Mortarion]

Wow, incredibly harsh penalties. I'd be running a VPN with my torrenting (already do and I live in a far more legally lenient country) and more likely looking to finding a job and citizenship in another country.
The good thing with most VPNs today is they have kill switches on them that will cut the internet altogether to the machine if the VPN drops unexpectedly.
Sorry to hear you guys have to deal with this.

Technically it can be legal, in germany, to get a copy of something copyrighted from the web. "Stichwort Sicheheitskopie" ( keyword backup copy ), the point when things start to get nasty is when you infringe copyright by making things available for downloading. If you use a torrent, you are always sharing data with others, and if this just inside the ram of your machine, there are cases on court where some dudes sentenced to a fine for just such a thing.

The next thing was pointed out by Ocean to me in a dm.:

Some copyright owners may be a little more relaxed about their products being pirated, but that quickly comes to an end when the owner realises that money is being made from the pirated product by a third party. It can be as quick as you look that you get sued to hell and back.

 

[Razrback16]

Technically it can be legal, in germany, to get a copy of something copyrighted from the web. "Stichwort Sicheheitskopie" ( keyword backup copy ), the point when things start to get nasty is when you infringe copyright by making things available for downloading. If you use a torrent, you are always sharing data with others, and if this just inside the ram of your machine, there are cases on court where some dudes sentenced to a fine for just such a thing.

The next thing was pointed out by Ocean to me in a dm.:

Some copyright owners may be a little more relaxed about their products being pirated, but that quickly comes to an end when the owner realises that money is being made from the pirated product by a third party. It can be as quick as you look that you get sued to hell and back.

Ya so like I mentioned in an earlier post if the creator has to worry about showing / proving what tools they're developing with, etc., it can become an issue to use pirated software. Too bad too, as $2k per year for any software is just whackadoodle insane.

 

[Vile_Mage]

The first version was awesome...but the rework omg,,,,the grafs,the animations....totally one of the best VNs

 

[Turret]

Technically it can be legal, in germany, to get a copy of something copyrighted from the web. "Stichwort Sicheheitskopie" ( keyword backup copy ), the point when things start to get nasty is when you infringe copyright by making things available for downloading. If you use a torrent, you are always sharing data with others, and if this just inside the ram of your machine, there are cases on court where some dudes sentenced to a fine for just such a thing.

The next thing was pointed out by Ocean to me in a dm.:

Some copyright owners may be a little more relaxed about their products being pirated, but that quickly comes to an end when the owner realises that money is being made from the pirated product by a third party. It can be as quick as you look that you get sued to hell and back.

Quite right, Mortarion! Sicherheitskopie is the key word, esp. for stuff you own in the first place. It is even something of a right to make a backup copy of something you own, which is why DRM, the type of which makes a backup impossible, is not quite legal too.
But it is, as you say, the download of copyrighted stuff via torrent where things get "interesting" and why you should never touch torrents at all in Germany and a couple other nations with similar laws.

And your (and Ocean´s) comment on how relaxed the copyright owners are is spot on. For instance, the makers of DAZ must be aware how "liberated" their not free products are. AFAIK there is no wave of DAZ sueing every Joe/Jane Average who uses pirated DAZ assets for making his/her fanart of game xyz or art for themselves.
But we can be very sure that you will get a decidedly not nice court date with them, if you use pirated assets to make a profit.

 

[Arigon]

I looked at this AVN quite a while ago. It was interesting enough. I kept a copy on my backup drive.

When I saw the rework, I was blown away. These are models that would compete with and probably top most any game out there. Plus I love the occasional smokers. plus I love the, fuck I love it all.
Great job!

 

[SamualHand]

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[Lady Aspen]

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[Saitama_sama]

What's with the new and old version , can somebody explain it to me , is the content different or what ?

 

[Uriel ☁]

What's with the new and old version , can somebody explain it to me , is the content different or what ?

Yes the game was completely reworked, the current ch1 is the latest version.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

What's with the new and old version , can somebody explain it to me , is the content different or what ?

The content is different. The new version does not have anywhere near the content the old version has. It's all being remade. The renders in the new version are leagues better than the old version. The plot of the story seems to be staying the same, but there are differences in the story between versions. There seems like there is more character development in the new version. There is at least one new character in the new version.

 

[Puma1978]

What's with the new and old version , can somebody explain it to me , is the content different or what ?

Some more content and actions with the asian girl if you take the right path and also real final endings for each path.
So the game is actually comppleted with Version 1.0.