VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

Just a suggestion put the original mc and katie back in the story because honestly this rewrite/rework was not an improvement. It's your creation so do as you see fit obviously but katie doesn't seem like katie and MC is somehow just not fitting compared to the Original MC. The personality switch is mostly the dislike on my side. I can't speak for others and am not trying to just sharing my thoughts.

As someone who didn't play the original version I think this one is perfect. IMO the dude has the best VN out there (SG) and WIAB is fantastic as well, so I trust the ocean man to come through with fantastic characters, atmosphere, and story.

And, lets not push for even more reworks lol.

 

[DirtyMario]

Just a suggestion put the original mc and katie back in the story because honestly this rewrite/rework was not an improvement. It's your creation so do as you see fit obviously but katie doesn't seem like katie and MC is somehow just not fitting compared to the Original MC. The personality switch is mostly the dislike on my side. I can't speak for others and am not trying to just sharing my thoughts.

As someone who didn't play the original version I think this one is perfect. IMO the dude has the best VN out there (SG) and WIAB is fantastic as well, so I trust the ocean man to come through with fantastic characters, atmosphere, and story.

And, lets not push for even more reworks lol.

Yea enough reworks for now.
But I have to say that WastedTalent got a point. MC and Leia seem very unlikeable in the reworked narrative for now, not to mention that MC in general seems like a stereotypical Chippendales pretty boy that is an asshole to boot. Could put people off from playing someone like that in the first place. Even if Ocean turns it around and supplies sufficient motivation it might already be too late at that point.

 

[Uriel ☁]

MC and Leia seem very unlikeable in the reworked narrative for now, not to mention that MC in general seems like a stereotypical Chippendales pretty boy that is an asshole to boot.

I think that's by design.
Leia is clearly very pissed at Will for leaving. There's a whole story there, hinted but not told, but it will in time.

William used to be a first grade asshole, all the stories from before he ran away confirms this. He changed somehow while he was away from his hometown and met Miru. Think of the difference between his hometown friends, all strained relationships, and his new-town friends.

As he comes back home he unintentionally picks back some of his bad habits. This happen to everybody as our brain ties emotions and habits to places and environments. Miru continously notices it and even outright tells Will when dealing with Katie.

The story picks up right at the crossroads of William's life, he can go either ways. He can go back to his previous asshole self or straight up himself but to do so he has to face his demons.

Anyhow this is just how I see it.

 

[DirtyMario]

I think that's by design.
Leia is clearly very pissed at Will for leaving. There's a whole story there, hinted but not told, but it will in time.

Agree with most of your post, but notice how I said "in the reworked narrative for now". We know a lot about Willies motivations because we played the old version. The people just coming into this probably didn't and they'll look at this with fresh eyes.
I hope they'll give Ocean enough time to unfold the finer details of the story before they are too turned off by the douchebag MC.

 

[typhoniansoul0]

first time play this game in 3...2...1... gooooo

 

[Uriel ☁]

Agree with most of your post, but notice how I said "in the reworked narrative for now". We know a lot about Willies motivations because we played the old version. The people just coming into this probably didn't and they'll look at this with fresh eyes.
I hope they'll give Ocean enough time to unfold the finer details of the story before they are too turned off by the douchebag MC.

Tbh I never played the old version, I remember playing the old ch2 some ~4 years ago? Then I left it cause NTR is not really my thing and the old version was full of it and, worst of all, it was senseless NTR.

I am kinda fresh even if I know some little meta stuff from SG but that's it.

 

[Avaron1974]

Tbh I never played the old version, I remember playing the old ch2 some ~4 years ago? Then I left it cause NTR is not really my thing and the old version was full of it and, worst of all, it was senseless NTR.

It was also completely avoidable.

 

[Turret]

I personally find the new approach of this point better, the fact that *only* bullying leads to the escape from wollust is now quite unlikely. There must be something more going on to provoke Katie for going full balistic towards William, especially because the cat was already out of the bag and the quality time between Willian and Leia was more or less an open secret within the family. Dylan has even lied for William in this matter.

Yea enough reworks for now.
But I have to say that WastedTalent got a point. MC and Leia seem very unlikeable in the reworked narrative for now, not to mention that MC in general seems like a stereotypical Chippendales pretty boy that is an asshole to boot. Could put people off from playing someone like that in the first place. Even if Ocean turns it around and supplies sufficient motivation it might already be too late at that point.

As I wrote in an earlier post, there has to be an "info/background story Bang" coming sooner or later. As reworked Willi and Leia are coming across, they were far from being saints, but could take one on the chin when needed. As Mortarion remarked correctly, Willi and Leia´s quality time together was more or less out of the bag. Dylan had even lied for them and in ch.2 we see Helen secretly spying on them to see what they do.
Do you believe the Twins would be so thrown by Kati spilling the details about it, that Willi fled Wollust and Leia contemplated it? Not really, I think. Whatever Kati did back then must have been big and devastating. Up to the beginning of the game the Twins and Kati never forgave each other for what she did. Whenever it is revealed what Kati did, I think it will also be something which will let reworked Kati loose a lot of current shine.

 

[Avaron1974]

Willi and Leia´s quality time together was more or less out of the bag. Dylan had even lied for them and in ch.2 we see Helen secretly spying on them to see what they do.

Okay, seeing far too many people saying this now and I let it go because common sense should have kicked in sooner but nope, people still be saying it.

Right....

Dylan and Helen knowing is only the family. They literally don't matter. Katie telling them wouldn't have done anything.

However.

The twins are quite well known outside of the family, in the community. Our dick of an MC even left a future cop naked on a kitchen counter after taking her virginity at a party.

Now, how good would it look on them if it came out that he'd left her like that because he wanted to get back to the one he was in love with, his own sister. It comes out that the twins play at incest, the game for the family.

Those twins would be social outcasts. Their family would be a laughing stock and they would have to leave their homes anyway.

Bringing shame to the doorstep.

Dylan and Helen knowing don't matter. That secret gets out it ruins the whole family.

 

[Lurcher1]

...snip...

Blackmailed or threatend maybe? If so, question is, by who?

 

[Avaron1974]

Blackmailed or threatend maybe? If so, question is, by who?

Seems they weren't exactly liked. Well, he is tolerated but Leia is pretty much universally hated.

Could be anyone.

 

[Lurcher1]

Seems they weren't exactly liked. Well, he is tolerated but Leia is pretty much universally hated.

Could be anyone.

Was she always, though? They were partners in crime, as he said, so probably both were a bit Douche like. I'm reckoning she was mellow enough unless someone did something to William. A few people mention that she changed over the years, most likely into the Ice Queen we see her as. Monica calling her a bitch is expected after Leia spread the 'news'.

 

[Turret]

Dylan and Helen knowing is only the family. They literally don't matter. Katie telling them wouldn't have done anything.

That is exactly what I meant. Kati telling Dylan and Helen about the Twins cannot have been the reason for Willi´s flight. It must have been something bigger.

Now, how good would it look on them if it came out that he'd left her like that because he wanted to get back to the one he was in love with, his own sister. It comes out that the twins play at incest, the game for the family.
Those twins would be social outcasts. Their family would be a laughing stock and they would have to leave their homes anyway.
Bringing shame to the doorstep.
Dylan and Helen knowing don't matter. That secret gets out it ruins the whole family.

The thing is, Kati can´t have outed the Twins to the city´s population. It is clear by interaction with various people in Wollust after Willi´s return that they do not know. Esp. with Monica this would have been a topic had Willi and Leia´s secret been revealed. Some might speculate, but they do not know it.
If this part of old WIAB gets ported over, then Zoey was one of few outside the family who knew. But Zoey had no problems with "the games the Twins played", too much of a free-spirit and is one of the few friends Willi and Leia have in the city.

Blackmailed or threatend maybe? If so, question is, by who?

Well, we know that it was something Kati did, that is a fact. Willi and Leia never forgave her and when we rewind the first meeting with Kati after the return and a later discussion between the MC and Kati it is clear that she forced his flight. Were it somebody else, this would not have cut so deep and left this relation desert.
And I doubt it was blackmail or Kati just threatening to spill the beans outside the family. She would have suffered nearly as hard as the Twins, because the social backlash would not have stopped at her doorstep.
As for blackmail, the Twins were hard hitting and able to tank a lot of stuff back then, what blackmail by their "Bibi-Sis" would have been so threatening? As said, it must have been something really big or sinister to get this result.

Was she always, though? They were partners in crime, as he said, so probably both were a bit Douche like. I'm reckoning she was mellow enough unless someone did something to William.

I agree with you on this. It was only after Willi vanished that Leia started to become the ice queen of now, see the talk with Gina.

 

[Avaron1974]

The thing is, Kati can´t have outed the Twins to the city´s population. It is clear by interaction with various people in Wollust after Willi´s return that they do not know.

Wait....

What?

That ... that's the point.

He left so she wouldn't out them.............

 

[fluxxd1]

cant wait for Katies and Willis basketball scene

 

[Turret]

Wait....What?
That ... that's the point.
He left so she wouldn't out them.............

As I wrote above, that does not seem to fit. Kati knowing and threatening to out the Twins to the public is a mostly empty threat. She and the rest of the family would suffer nearly as much social backlash as her older siblings. This threat might have been the dot on the I of what Kati did back then. But it cannot have been the only thing.
Willi fled by night and fog and by dialog it was because of what Kati did. Not just threatened, but did. And whatever it was it cut so deep that he left Wollust very shortly after it and it scarred Willi, which is quite clear by their first meeeting after return.

That Kati must have been doing other things too is even implied by Gina´s reply to Miru. While Gina thinks Kati´s version is a bit closer to the actual happenings than Willi´s, it also makes it clear that Willi (and Leia)´s version has merit too. Kati is not quite as innocent for all that happened as one can believe. In special since Gina does not know the hammerblow which led Willi to flee the city.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Was she always, though? They were partners in crime, as he said, so probably both were a bit Douche like. I'm reckoning she was mellow enough unless someone did something to William. A few people mention that she changed over the years, most likely into the Ice Queen we see her as. Monica calling her a bitch is expected after Leia spread the 'news'.

I don't know how you reckon that she was mellow enough at the beginning. As it's stated outright in the reworked game already, the MC was a chick magnet even before he left, and just about any girl that got chummy with the MC would immediately be the target of Leia's wrath.

 

[Lurcher1]

I don't know how you reckon that she was mellow enough at the beginning. As it's stated outright in the reworked game already, the MC was a chick magnet even before he left, and just about any girl that got chummy with the MC would immediately be the target of Leia's wrath.

Oh yeah, she's jealous for sure. But, as long as no one's after William, she'll probably be quite chilled. However, you try to target him, chat him up or even flirt with him, Leia will flip!

 

[Cabin Fever]

Oh yeah, she's jealous for sure. But, as long as no one's after William, she'll probably be quite chilled. However, you try to target him, chat him up or even flirt with him, Leia will flip!

Did you again missed the part that the MC was a chick magnet? That means Leia was pretty much constantly on super bitchy jealous mode. And Leia isn't someone who'd just get even. She's someone who'd retaliate entirely out of proportion to ensure there's no coming back for her target.

 

[Turret]

I don't know how you reckon that she was mellow enough at the beginning. As it's stated outright in the reworked game already, the MC was a chick magnet even before he left, and just about any girl that got chummy with the MC would immediately be the target of Leia's wrath.

It depends on what type of chummy. As we can see Zoey, Gina, Dana or Kat are/were girlfriends of the Twins. In Dana´s case (if new WIAB retains part of the old here) she simply never told Willi Dana´s date request, which is definitely different from how she lost it during one theater play.
And Gina mentioned that Willi´s leaving of Wollust and her grief started to change Leia. For example, Gina and the Twins were quite close before the MC´s flight.