Darklord_1965

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First, I never asked for re-renders of any kind. I'm asking for a simple SKIP dialogue choice and jump statement. It takes the least amount of time, almost none.

Second, bro, you make it sound like:

- Boolean Variables
- If Then Conditional Statements
- Menu Dialogue Choices
- Jump Statements

Are complicated. THEY'RE NOT. The above is NEWBIE stuff for Ren'py. You literally learn how to do the above stuff in the first 3 hours you learn Ren'py. It's REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY EASY.

I'm looking at CheekyGimp's code right now. This is just rudimentary, basic Ren'py stuff. The guy who designed Ren'py made learning Ren'py as easy as possible. You guys act like it's some big deal, IT'S NOT.

Guys. Listen. I'm not alone with my complaints. READ THE REVIEWS. Other people complain about it too. I'm not this lone voice, tons & tons of other people are complaining about the forced sexual scenarios which could've been easily avoided with a few lines of code.

You guys are stuck in 2016. It's 2023, wake up. Forced sexual scenarios are DUMB, unles it's a kinetic novel or there are only 1-2 women npc in the game.

I'm trying to grab you guys by the shirt collar and drag you into the current year.

Okay, thank you for hearnig me out. Cheekygimp thank you for hearing me out. I will no longer respond to this thread as to not spam. But you guys are wrong, 100% wrong if you think the fixes that are needed are complicated. They're not, they can be done in less than a day, and Cheekygimp's Reviews would jump to perfect 5 stars, and his revenue would go up, but you guys give him such bad advice. So sad. This game had so much potential.
Personally I've been really enjoying this VN since it's beginning, and after catching up on this thread for the last 40 minutes, my question to you is quite simple: for someone who's Avatar states that "99% of porn games are trash" and since RenPy is so easy to code and according to all the posts I've read from you in the last 2 pages, since you also have all the answers in order to make this the perfect VN and drive it back up to a 5 Stars status, why not just make your own and educate us all on how it should be done instead of just trying to tailor another man's vision and hard work to your liking?
 

WaltS

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Come on, Walt, you've been here for ages, you know if that stopped the world just might end. :)
You're right, of course, but look where that got us.
Even made you drop that inner Kinski of yours (darn shame if I may say so)
;)
 
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botc76

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First, I never asked for re-renders of any kind. I'm asking for a simple SKIP dialogue choice and jump statement. It takes the least amount of time, almost none.

Second, bro, you make it sound like:

- Boolean Variables
- If Then Conditional Statements
- Menu Dialogue Choices
- Jump Statements

Are complicated. THEY'RE NOT. The above is NEWBIE stuff for Ren'py. You literally learn how to do the above stuff in the first 3 hours you learn Ren'py. It's REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY EASY.

I'm looking at CheekyGimp's code right now. This is just rudimentary, basic Ren'py stuff. The guy who designed Ren'py made learning Ren'py as easy as possible. You guys act like it's some big deal, IT'S NOT.

Guys. Listen. I'm not alone with my complaints. READ THE REVIEWS. Other people complain about it too. I'm not this lone voice, tons & tons of other people are complaining about the forced sexual scenarios which could've been easily avoided with a few lines of code.

You guys are stuck in 2016. It's 2023, wake up. Forced sexual scenarios are DUMB, unles it's a kinetic novel or there are only 1-2 women npc in the game.

I'm trying to grab you guys by the shirt collar and drag you into the current year.

Okay, thank you for hearnig me out. Cheekygimp thank you for hearing me out. I will no longer respond to this thread as to not spam. But you guys are wrong, 100% wrong if you think the fixes that are needed are complicated. They're not, they can be done in less than a day, and Cheekygimp's Reviews would jump to perfect 5 stars, and his revenue would go up, but you guys give him such bad advice. So sad. This game had so much potential.

Sweet Baby Jesus!

The funny thing is, he doesn't even get how incredibly entitled he acts.

Dude, there is a point where giving advice or criticism just turns into trying to tell the dev how to make his game.
With all this BS about how easy it is and claiming that it would make the game so much more successful (why? Because you think so? Is there any proof, any game you can show us, which offers what you want and is significantly more successful than WTHI?), you have crossed that line about 5 posts back.

And I am a person who is perfectly fine with giving dev's criticism, even harsh criticism. Incidentally, I just had this discussion in regard to other games, there is a huge misconception among a large group of gamers and that is that player agenda comes before everything.
It's important, no one is going to argue that, but it's not the only important thing in a game. The story the dev wants to tell is at least as important, in some cases even more important.

I understand the Zarah bit, even if I don't agree with it and kind of find it funny that you think a woman actively trying to get into bed with the MC is acting like a guy, but fair, others have expressed similar attitudes. If you ask me, I am pretty sure that Cheeky will play down or change that one scene anyway, to keep in line with Zarah's character as she is shown later in the game. Just like with Monica's drinking. It's kind of weird, but personally IDK if I will be so happy with those changes, I kind of liked the idea that Monica needed something to make her act on her feelings at first, after all, she already stopped it in the game.


In the case of the other women, there are three main love interests, three women the game is centred about and those are Monica and her daughters (not saying other women aren't important, but those three are the base relationship angle of the game), what you do not want is to be locked out of these relationships because you make a few wrong choices, thus there is redundancy and options to change your mind. If you aren't at all interested in one of them, I understand that this could be a bit jarring, but hardly to the extent you react. Let's be serious here, I hope you realize that this kind of strong reaction is a rarity, not the norm, right? You are overreacting, immensely.
That's your prerogative, but you spin it as if that is what any normal guy playing this game would act like.

And sorry, but if you know so much about Ren'py, and you like the rest of the part of the game as much as you do, seriously dude, just make a mod for it yourself. You could even share it, and people who have similar sensibilities might thank you for it.

Personally, I'm afraid enough that with the re-do and the loss of Ace and with episode 24 being pushed back further and further, this game might never be finished, so the last thing I would want is to add any more to Cheeky's and Cell's workload.
And while I don't claim that's how the majority of players feel, I think there are many who share that sentiment.
 

JackMiejov

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my question to you is quite simple: for someone who's Avatar states that "99% of porn games are trash" and since RenPy is so easy to code and according to all the posts I've read from you in the last 2 pages, since you also have all the answers in order to make this the perfect VN and drive it back up to a 5 Stars status, why not just make your own and educate us all on how it should be done instead of just trying to tailor another man's vision and hard work to your liking?
If you feed the trolls, they will come back for more.
 

LionHeart 95

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Hi folks,
Been a while since my last updat.....

Summary:

Been a couple of weeks since my last post because I've been staring at my screen sobbing for a while. Episode 24 was a mess but in much better shape now. (Cheeky threw Ace under the bus and blamed him for everything even though Cheeky was to blame.) Re-do was taking longer than expected. (Cheeky threw Cell under the bus and blamed him for everything even though Cheeky was to blame.). Made good progress on the re-do but it is currently paused. Jumped back onto EP24 a little earlier than expected. Episode 24 is now our sole focus. Plan to release Episode 24 in June. If we don't hit June, we will turn payment off until it's out. Once Episode 24 out, we will finish re-do/steam release.


Thanks,

CG

We are still here and we we be here when its out :love: Thank you for the update
 

El Pene Del Diablo

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If we don't hit June, we will turn payment off until it's out.
WAT? a dev acting like a businessman with ethics who cares about his customers? but... this is....

I smell copper, arm hurts... calling doctor...

seriously though, quality takes time. if we want to show support we will.
 

Savilesavile

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Hi folks,
Been a while since my last updat.....

Summary:

Been a couple of weeks since my last post because I've been staring at my screen sobbing for a while. Episode 24 was a mess but in much better shape now. (Cheeky threw Ace under the bus and blamed him for everything even though Cheeky was to blame.) Re-do was taking longer than expected. (Cheeky threw Cell under the bus and blamed him for everything even though Cheeky was to blame.). Made good progress on the re-do but it is currently paused. Jumped back onto EP24 a little earlier than expected. Episode 24 is now our sole focus. Plan to release Episode 24 in June. If we don't hit June, we will turn payment off until it's out. Once Episode 24 out, we will finish re-do/steam release.


Thanks,

CG

We are still here and we we be here when its out :love: Thank you for the update
From March to June really?
 

dkatryl

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May 26, 2018
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WAT? a dev acting like a businessman with ethics who cares about his customers? but... this is....

I smell copper, arm hurts... calling doctor...

seriously though, quality takes time. if we want to show support we will.
As memory serves, CG has turned payments off a handful of times when development has taken far longer than they themselves felt appropriate.

So when i see the milker claims get thrown Cheeky's way, i just :rolleyes: and move on.
 

Machete

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Apr 7, 2020
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Chicky decision makes a lot of sense businesswise. If they took their time to rework the most dated art after they completed the game they would have killed any hype for the Stream release. From someone who have played this game for years it's still disappointing though.
 

efb51

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Aug 15, 2019
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Loved this game but i cannot get it to work anymore after you after clicking start or a saved file. I keep getting an error like attached. I tried it before installing any Mods and it gives the same even after installing them on Win 8 or 10. View attachment traceback.txt Why is it always like this with me I never know.
 

Smarmint

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Been a while since my last updat....
Was there more to the status update? Anyone feel like posting the while thing, or did Cheeky just post the summary, as kind of a joke?

I can't say the delay is surprising. I didn't want to say anything at the time to jinx it, but I knew 100% there was no way the rework would just take a couple of months. It would be the worlds fastest rework, in that case. Usually, for whatever reason, redoing the past takes 10 times longer than new content.

Don't know why. I suspect it is a motivation issue. It's hard to work hard and feel like you are just standing still as a developer. If you are a programmer, imagine having to go back to your old programs that are working and having to rewrite them in another style (state machine, oop, etc) or even another language. Not fun.

Oh well. Once the word "rework" gets mentioned, things always take, way, way, longer than expected. In every case but WTHI, reworking past scenes is unwelcome, and has unfortunately become the number one stalling tactic from devs that for whatever reason, don't want to continue to develop their games, but want to keep the Patron cash flowing. I challenge any readers to find a case where reworking actually improved an AVN significantly, rather than failed at every level (cough, cough, heavy five).

However, in WTHI, rerendering the old scenes eventually is sorely needed if they want to attract new players. The original renders are quite dated by modern standards. Zarah looks hideous at first, like one of those aging chain smokers hanging outside of a biker bar, for example, but looks a lot better later on (Jenna's vampirism doesn't need to be mentioned). The quality difference from the first handful of updates to the present is very striking and needed to be addressed someday. I wish, as do probably all the fans, that it had been done at the end of development. But Cheeky gave his reasons for trying to do it this way.

If it was anyone else other than Cheeky, I would doubt the future of WTHI. But I am confident he can pull it off. Just, a small word of advice to Cheeky and team. Don't beat yourself up over missing deadlines. Just plug away whenever you can, and keep things moving forward, at whatever pace is doable. Every journey continues with a single step.

The main worry I have is the rest of the team. Are Ace and Cell back on the team now? I haven't really followed or understood the issues with the WTHI team, but with all three working on it, at whatever pace they can, I would feel a lot better about the future and eventual conclusion of WTHI.
 
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Joshy92

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I know i'm probably in the minority but i wanted the redo to come out before chapter 24

Oh well i'm a patient man, i'm still waiting for elder scrolls 6 after all
 

WaltS

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[...] I challenge any readers to find a case where reworking actually improved an AVN significantly[...].
Shameless plug here (and I seriously don't want to go OT too much):
Shut Up And Dance by Boring Games - it's now almost finished (ep. 9 pt. 1 out of ~10 or 11) . Rework started w/ ep. 5 part 2 and he alternated between reworked and new episodes. Maybe that is why he succeeds? <shrug>
 
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