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And here we go again!
Yes, I agree and think she is, but very interesting to think about.
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And that didn't feel to me like it was in a seductress kind of way, felt more like she genuinely wanted to fix things. Still, I've been blindsided plenty of times now so what do I know! Fingers still crossed she's on the level with MC.
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I'm hoping what she thinks will ruin that my MC thinks YES please.
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Just finished playing the update and it was a really good one.
The renders are getting even better too, I hadn't played Episode 17 so I had a huge amount of content to catch up, both very good updates as always!
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The renders are getting even better too, I hadn't played Episode 17 so I had a huge amount of content to catch up, both very good updates as always!
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Agreed, she a great lil character. Everyone else agrees too rofl
Lily for life...right alongside Debbie *sighs contentedly*
- Jan 22, 2019
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That library scene was excellent!
Which character are we agreeing to here? Feels like a set up to me ....
I dunno man .... These days I think Debbie has jumped to 2nd on the list .... She may even become top, who knows!?
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So There's a bit of information here that suggests that Jenna and Jolina are closer than everyone thinks.
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Jolina constantly refers to her hatred of men and I wouldn't doubt that she only asked to apologize to MC as a means of keeping communication opened up with Jenna. She clearly speaks of the troubles of being a lesbian as if she is very familiar with it. Any time you ask her about her interests in women she dodges you and she has spent time with Jenna on multiple occasions without your presence.
This all is evidence without the famous "PC" Image.
This is largely why I feel as though Cleo's prophecies are so vague in comparison to what she admits is normal. Each one of her prophecies has a double meaning. I believe that it doesn't just refer to Katie and Debbie but also Jenna and Jolina.
Thanks for entertaining my thoughts. =)
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No evidence there at all sorry. You keep coming up with this stuff but it's all supposition.
Ask any woman about her history with men...and it will make you wonder why any of them bother with us at all. Nothing she says suggest she either hates men or indicates she is a lesbian.
Assumed sister as good looking as Jenna. Aaaannd? She can't comment another woman is attractive?
Jenna more in common with Jolina. Both nerdy, wiz with computers etc. Then laughs. She teasing you.
Cozying up together. Again..just teasing you. Besides, women are much closer to each other than men are. Anyone knows that.
Don't do men/boyfriends. Could be taken any number of ways. Maybe she doesn't want a relationship with a guy, just likes no-strings. I know many straight wpomen who don't do boyfriends myself.
Long time since successful date. Yeah well..see my previous comment, too many men are idiotic imbeciles who wouldn't know how to treat a woman properly if the manual was tattoed on their ass.
Thanks for restoring faith. Again...see last comment re many men and many womens experiences.
I told you I don't like men. Many women claim to be gay to avoid men getting ahead of themselves. Hell, very popular girl on a game right here on F95 said the same thing....
Difficult for same sex couples these days. Umm...are only gay people allowed to express such a statement?
Care more about you than I expected. Well again, we're not old..she has bad experiences...and it's been a few weeks. Not a difficult one to understand either.
Jolina isn't invited to the beach house either. That is key as that is all part of the same speech from Cleo which much more strongly suggests, this refers to Debbie and not Jolina. Again, as I stated earlier today in a previous post, whether this actually means anything or is just a statement on your life (Cleo makes a few of those) is another matter I guess.
Now, it perhaps does look that way should you choose to view it that way, I don't. Half of what she says is said with jokes and the rest just bad experiences. That's not to say she doesn't swing both ways, much like Bella might (though Bella's off-hand comment can be taken multiple ways, women do taste themselves) but nothing Jolina says can be taken as evidence of anything, all insubstantial evidence at best.
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I jest, good post. Still nothing concrete though.
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Because the game is left with vagueness to throw players off and keep them guessing.
I'm exploring all avenues and like it or not this is evidence. I'll admit, like you said is open to interpretation.
Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an
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, because evident things are undoubted. There are two kind of evidence: intellectual evidence (the obvious, the evident) and
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(proofs).The mentioned support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct
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.I'm okay with you choosing to not see things the way I do because I'm a Theorists, there are a lot of good chances I could be wrong on many things. But for me it's less about being right or wrong and more about the joy of searching for the clues.
Some people like yourself prefer to go off of nothing more than raw facts. That's fine too. I just prefer gathering clues and building assumptions or theories based on where the clues lead. This is what makes this game so much fun to me. I haven't played another game on F95 that has peaked my curiosity enough to get me Theory crafting with the exception of The DeLuca Family.
So it's fine my man. It's actually good that you present an alternative view actually. Keeps things balanced. =)
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Finally got around to the latest update and then slogged through 80 pages of discussion, only to find that any possible answers to the central mysteries of the game are more muddled before. Which is pretty much the expectation at this point: any new clues provided in the updates are so vague as to be useless (pretty much everything the fortune teller said), or only expand the list of potential suspects (Zarah was previously involved with a guy who turned out to be an asshole, could she be Dizzy?). While all the red herrings do encourage speculation and engagement, when all is revealed will the explanations be satisfying and provide clarity in a replay, or will they feel hollow because they only exist to ensure the reveal is a surprise?
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From talking with Katie :
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I've spent a lot of time in court. Sorry, but assumption, circumstantial (which is inadmissabale btw) and 'opinion' pretty much mean FA. Again, as I've said to you before (so maybe how you write your post is the problem with my understanding) it's not that I see things different to you neccessarily, I just don't take it as truth of 'evidence' of anything, because it isn't. You've said it yourself, it's vague and can be taken multiple ways. Which ultimately means it's utterly meaningless in context. No proof or evidence of anything. Throw Wiki at me all day mate though if you like.
I know...this is after Cleo's convo though and nothing to do with what slayer was rambling on about. However yes I completely agree, this is more definite pointer to Debbie being the blonde who Cleo was talking about. 100% in agreement.
Again, is this a matter of fact satement from her again (much like she knows plenty of facts about us), or is there a deeper meaning behind this and if so, what?
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You missed the point here. My references is to the fact that Jenna has spent more time with Jolina according to Jolina and they have clearly had more indepth conversations other than just about the MC. I guess I actually wasn't looking at the attractive bit
That is also an interpretation. Viewing it all connected at the seem could imply Debbie and Katie have something to do with the Will as the Will is also mentioned in that moment. I view this as weak signals which is another thing Cleo mentioned.
"Shush! The spirits are leaving us.... They leave passing images (admittance of a weak signal) of the sister and her blonde.... I see a will (So far Debbie hasn't had any connection to the will), a key and a house beside the sea.
She will be coming to the beach soon (Note the clue is beach not beach house), I think?
You know who I speak of? It might not seem much to you yet as the chess pieces are still in play with a Plot within a plot (like a plot of Jolina's to punish Jenna for their plot that used Jolina to find out who the mysterious emailer is)"
So at this point my question becomes what is the plot within a plot? If you aren't helping Debbie with Lily or attempting a foursome which are both optional. That removes plotting from the 4 of them unless we learn something new in Episode 19.
Also inviting Jolina to the beach house is optional on a Jolina romance playthrough. Meaning I still believe that there is a double meaning and "so many paths" is the reason why the double meanings. You can elect not to do some things and elect to do others. Making a double meaning for the prophecies to be able to stretch out and fit any of the many options that you as the MC have available. At least that's how I see it.
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FT "The sister has introduced someone else into your life. A pretty blonde. She is getting close to you but she's closer to the sister still."
FT "The blonde likes you...but she has a preference for women..."
M "One of the girls' friends? Who...?"
FT "Shush! The spirits are leaving us...They leave passing images of the sister and her blonde... I see a will, a key and a house beside the sea."
FT "She'll be coming to the beach soon, I think?"
This can be taken multiple ways, but Katie has been to the house and is about to go back there, you tell her where the key is, and she is indirectly involved in the will (you can not have contact with her if you want the money)
I am reading that the three things are to do with the sister and not the blonde.
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That is certainly a possibility for sure...misdirection on the blonde (Debbie) meaning something or not rather than who the blonde is with (Katie).
Hmmm....interesting angle.
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Could be Katie and Debbie, could be Jenna and Jolina and at a long stretch could be Bella and Jolina.
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Good points. It's almost like it's set up so we don't know which way to go .... Madness!