Trikus

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It is great to finally get a basket ball game. Things are progressing nicely with Skye and Harper. I liked the dynamic with Natalie and Liz, even if they are fighting over dumb stuff. I'm not sure I like that Harper is the one that kept Ethan on the bench, not Belle. I get she wants to protect Ethan but when they are losing so badly, one guy gets injured and another just quits, why is it such a hard decision to put him in? Something I do agree with is Katie's redesign, though thankfully it does sound like it is temporary and she will change back when she gets bored of it. Oh, and Cedar being the one to take down that arrogant jerk was hilarious. Oh, and the main thing, that Jamie and Shauna kiss has finally happened. About damn time. As for the duck face criticisms, I get it, but that is his art style. If it bothers you so much why have you stuck around all these years? BD is clearly going to keep them coming.
 
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johnnyM

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Your Honor, I would like to submit the following three pieces of evidence, labeled Exhibits A,B,C as proof that: 1) BD can design a woman without a duck face, 2) Can design a women's face that appears normal, and 3) Can design a face that does not have oversized doe-eyes.

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Fun Shaundi

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Your Honor, I would like to submit the following three pieces of evidence, labeled Exhibits A,B,C as proof that: 1) BD can design a woman without a duck face, 2) Can design a women's face that appears normal, and 3) Can design a face that does not have oversized doe-eyes.

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Notice that they're not smiling.
I won't say that BD isn't doing it on purpose, because we know he's a contrarian and the duckfaces appeared even more after people started to complain about it, but it looks like duckfaces happen when characters with fuller lips (these 3 girls have thinner upper lips) smile as if someone is pulling up invisible threads attached to the corner of their lips.

When a human being smiles genuinely, eyes get slightly narrowed, the corner of the lips not only go impossibly up (like BD's girls), but they go slightly up and to the sides, and eyebrows got very slightly up (not up, like many people make the mistake in VNs, animations, etc).

EDIT: Examples of natural smiles.
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BD's sin is exaggerating some of the girls' facial expressions to cartoonish extents, which ends up looking weird cause in general, these are models with non-cartoonish proportions (or at least it was at first) and non cartoonish looks, if it wasn't for the expressions. A person not always smiles like the joker all the time, subtle smiles are a thing too, and if he really wanted to he could start doing that.
 
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Notice that they're not smiling.
Actual +1 here: weaponization of the uncanny valley for $500 please Alex. (Thus a much earlier joke I made about Lesbians seeing everyone smiling at them).

Give you a serious bet of $1000 that this is a deliberate metaphor for the internal termoil the developer has had to go through to make $50,000 a year this artistic sacrifice and it's 100% honed into the Discord vibe. Then again, I know how both Mormonism and Scientology started, so I can spot this stuff a mile off.

Actually, yeah. Dude is either Mansoning it or straight up 3-letter MK ultra / DARPA stuff. I mean, it's waaay out of date by now, but 10 years ago, this stuff was hot. Probably lost funding though, can't afford the fees for the modelling software licenses, that's why all the models are degrading in real time.

We're not the audience - the Patreons are. And they're all *ULTRA-COOL* with black bags on heads, and going without sleep for 70+ hours, if you know what I mean.

Hmm. Actually interested in this game the developer now - presumed the model degredation was simply material loss (HD) or farming (i.e. shipping content off to Mechnical Turk for $4 / hr to get it rendered) or time based meth abuse ("shit, I have to render something like 1k renders on my shit laptop in 50 hrs, and so I can post through it while it does it").

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But yes: nailed something that just didn't sit right. The last 2/3rds isn't "porn", it's Cult-Fetish stuff. The issue being: is the fetish in-game... or the Discord.
 
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Sigh... still black box face... literally ruins every single scene i see it in, just use the new male mc model face everyones been using lately seriously... NO one is really going to pay attention to it anyways but a gaint black box draws the eyes attention away from anything else on the screen. at this point i don't even care if you use a picture of yourself for the face just get rid of that stupid fing black box!
 
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indio68

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Sigh... still black box face... literally ruins every single scene i see it in, just use the new male mc model face everyones been using lately seriously... NO one is really going to pay attention to it anyways but a gaint black box draws the eyes attention away from anything else on the screen. at this point i don't even care if you use a picture of yourself for the face just get rid of that stupid fing black box!
totally agreed..i really don't know what think about some devs decision..on pair of those incest games ruinded by ugly childish MC...and they are half the size of the women too..unbelivable and really ruining the mood
 

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It took two years to complete that match, but only about 4 minutes for me to left click-spacebar through it. Literally no engagement in the entire thing except for who to flirt with. Black boxes, endless whinging and worthless circular dialogue, pointless distractions everywhere. 300k people watching but no more than maybe 25 people in the entire facility. Man, this game really shit the bed.

At this point I don't have to point out BD's scam behavior, because he clearly has no gas left in the tank. I get why he delayed it for this long now that I've seen it. This thing feels like a rough draft of a rough draft. I actually laughed out loud at the Ryker commercial, what a great unintentional metaphor for how disconnected from reality BD is.

I'm sure there will still be an audience for this because there is an audience for everything but wow. What an incredible decline.
 

karumi56

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It took two years to complete that match, but only about 4 minutes for me to left click-spacebar through it. Literally no engagement in the entire thing except for who to flirt with. Black boxes, endless whinging and worthless circular dialogue, pointless distractions everywhere. 300k people watching but no more than maybe 25 people in the entire facility. Man, this game really shit the bed.

At this point I don't have to point out BD's scam behavior, because he clearly has no gas left in the tank. I get why he delayed it for this long now that I've seen it. This thing feels like a rough draft of a rough draft. I actually laughed out loud at the Ryker commercial, what a great unintentional metaphor for how disconnected from reality BD is.

I'm sure there will still be an audience for this because there is an audience for everything but wow. What an incredible decline.
I was glad that BD finally got it out, but was sad at the eventual result. The game has fallen so far off track and from any of the endearing qualities during the first year or more that I don't think I will waste any more bandwidth on it (sadly on metered internet, thanks Comcast!). Maybe if someone manages to do another update only download... ;)

Based on the delays and excuses given, it was pretty obvious that BD was struggling to do the renders up to the last minute, and it shows. The changes to Katie this episode, Bailey the last one, and lots of details between the two (like the exploding height of the MC, the black boxes) all show a serious disconnect from previous work to the most recent releases.

I've seen several other games suffer this fate, but it's usually after a change in the dev team. I don't know if BD is outsourcing the work for WMV now, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 

ZTex

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Look i really don't want to be that guy but i have too...

If you want me to take injuries seriously in your game you as a writer have to take them seriously. You're telling someone who just suffered a serious concusion to sleep is the exact opposite thing you do.
 

SumTingWong0420

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I'm not sure I like that Harper is the one that kept Ethan on the bench, not Belle. I get she wants to protect Ethan but when they are losing so badly, one guy gets injured and another just quits, why is it such a hard decision to put him in?
I'm not even a sports fan but I can see why, let Ethan play...then the Briars bring out a 4th string pick (correct terminology for basketball?) And sacrifice that player by getting them to seriously injure Ethan, then they lose that player or maybe even the game but the Stars would be out their best player for multiple games. Even if they got stomped in this game it doesn't affect their standing in the actual season, morale & social standing sure. I feel they'd have wiped the court if he was allowed to play from the start but I do understand why a coach would keep their best player benched for an exhibition game vs a team who has it out for said player
 

SumTingWong0420

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Look i really don't want to be that guy but i have too...

If you want me to take injuries seriously in your game you as a writer have to take them seriously. You're telling someone who just suffered a serious concusion to sleep is the exact opposite thing you do.
Yeah that was a :WaitWhat:Moment for me as well....and here I thought he liked skye lol!!!
 

Uguei

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I'm surprised Ch5 was out so shortly after Ch4, specially taking into consideration the amount of time it took for the previous updates. I enjoyed it though, the basketball match was good enough too and i'm glad to see some more progress with characters that had been forgotten.

As most people here, i'd rather MC didn't have a giant black square as a face, but with the exception of how it looks during sex scenes, i wouldn't say it's that horrible and i don't really care that much. I don't think my opinion is representative of the majority though, since it seems that the reasons i like this game are some of the things that people hate (huge harem with an insane amount of girls, power fantasy setting where everyone loves MC without any reason, etc)

After all that has happened i don't really expect much, but hopefully this is a sign that WVM will go back to an update schedule similar to that of the earlier days (or at least a decent one)
 

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After all that has happened i don't really expect much, but hopefully this is a sign that WVM will go back to an update schedule similar to that of the earlier days (or at least a decent one)
nah not going to happen BD claimed he stay up like 70 hours straight o complete this update and it almost killed him so he pushed back the updates agian
 

karumi56

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I'm surprised Ch5 was out so shortly after Ch4, specially taking into consideration the amount of time it took for the previous updates. I enjoyed it though, the basketball match was good enough too and i'm glad to see some more progress with characters that had been forgotten.

As most people here, i'd rather MC didn't have a giant black square as a face, but with the exception of how it looks during sex scenes, i wouldn't say it's that horrible and i don't really care that much. I don't think my opinion is representative of the majority though, since it seems that the reasons i like this game are some of the things that people hate (huge harem with an insane amount of girls, power fantasy setting where everyone loves MC without any reason, etc)

After all that has happened i don't really expect much, but hopefully this is a sign that WVM will go back to an update schedule similar to that of the earlier days (or at least a decent one)
You might want to work on your observation and reading comprehension. Chapter 4 and 5 were supposed to be the same update, but it got split into several parts despite Patrons voting against it. I guess it looks like a positive to see back to back updates, even if it still less than what was promised, as a single update going back to November (and beyond).

It's amazing how quickly the 2400+ render update "Mackenzie" "had to release" a month ago is forgotten, but instead there we get a 1200+ render update followed by a missing 767 render update...and the remaining part is now delayed until...who knows when. Maybe it will be carved up into the "weekly updates" starting in April...
 
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You might want to work on your observation and reading comprehension. Chapter 4 and 5 were supposed to be the same update, but it got split into several parts despite Patrons voting against it. I guess it looks like a positive to see back to back updates, even if it still less than what was promised, as a single update going back to November (and beyond).

It's amazing how quickly the 2400+ render update "Mackenzie" "had to release" a month ago is forgotten, but instead there we get a 1200+ render update followed by a missing 767 render update...and the remaining part is now delayed until...who knows when. Maybe it will be carved up into the "weekly updates" starting in April...
Definitely 'and beyond'. Basically, the last two updates comprise what he had mostly done in 2021 and (officialy) kept rearranging and rerendering for almost two years.
You'd expect something really polished or thought-out after that - and a lot less very recent-looking story twists unless he completely redid everything from scratch not that long ago.

And with his supposed speed of 400-500 render output (his words) a month, even then this is underwhelming as this again was done (including the still missing update part 3) in November which means he should have been able to produce ~1k+ NEW renders since then.
I know, mental problems and stuff - which totally won't happen evar! again after he starts rendering these 52 mini-updates.

Even if you liked this update - how can one single update result in so many new Patrons with his record?
He should be observed first and unless he keeps his schedule up, no one should think about giving him money.

Let him prove he keeps doing what you like for say a hand full of updates in a row - or at least half a year. If the keeps his word and you are happy enough with the ever-changing models, (non)story, and other stuff, only then give him money - not in advance.
 

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if you look at the last delay for an update in january and the date BD set to the 23th of March,and if you look at that time period between that two dates it is probably exact the time he needed to throw this 767 Renders update together,and looking at the work behind that now and how that all looks now it confirms to me that he had trown this update together in a haste.
looking at some of the girls say it all,and honestly 70 Hours without sleep??????

as long as he believes it going on almost 3 days without sleep with a wife and a child???

i myself had sometimes a period without sleep after a loooong nightshift at my FULLTIME job for like 30 Hours but that was it after that i was dead meat ^^
 
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